If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan...

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Sometimes ago , one Chinese think and had revealed that India has produced 14000 missile and deployed them against China and Pakistan. Because of this deploymenr only , China is unable to mess with India. China alone cannot fight with India and that is why China is taking the help of Pakistan to open two fronts against India.
 

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Recently held Gagan Shakti exercise was done to take the preparedness of Indian forces to check whether II India can engage in two front war with China and Pakistan or not? The outcome of the excercise was satisfactory and encouraging. Subsequent to that, a squadron of Rafale has arrived and few Tejas has gone into service.
 

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We need HTFE 25's enhanced version within 3 to 4 years to replace Jaguar engine so that we can keep it operational for one more decade when we face squadron dhortage. If we can make HTFE 35 with afterburner thrust of some 55 kn, we can power twin engine Tejas or MWF as well for IAF and IN.
55KN*2 = 110KN total thrust for twin engined Tejas or MWF? I'd rather have the IAF fly a brick.
Jaguars will start retiring from the middle of the decade when MWF comes in. Note that Mk1 and MK1A will start replacing MiG 21s and MWFs will start replacing oldest Jags and MiG 29s.
 

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Sometimes ago , one Chinese think and had revealed that India has produced 14000 missile and deployed them against China and Pakistan. Because of this deploymenr only , China is unable to mess with India.
Are you sure that Chinese is not speaking when he or she is drunk?

China alone cannot fight with India and that is why China is taking the help of Pakistan to open two fronts against India.
No, Chinese cannot fight with India without compromising her defense in other fronts which are far more critical to them.
And no, China is not taking the help of Pakistan to open two fronts war. Chinese is planning to fight India to the last Pakistani.
 

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55KN*2 = 110KN total thrust for twin engined Tejas or MWF? I'd rather have the IAF fly a brick.
Jaguars will start retiring from the middle of the decade when MWF comes in. Note that Mk1 and MK1A will start replacing MiG 21s and MWFs will start replacing oldest Jags and MiG 29s.
You can discard it but this was a considered DRDO and IN once upon a time. IN even Financed Single engine Tejas as carrier fighter before they changed their mind.
 
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Are you sure that Chinese is not speaking when he or she is drunk?



No, Chinese cannot fight with India without compromising her defense in other fronts which are far more critical to them.
And no, China is not taking the help of Pakistan to open two fronts war. Chinese is planning to fight India to the last Pakistani.
Who told you what China is planning? Was there a personal call from Xin ping to you?
 

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Does India have a credible nuclear deterrence against China?

In 1998 the then Defence Minister of India, George Fernandes had said that the Government of India conducted Pokhran II tests due to the nuclear threat from China. But China does not consider India a credible threat when it comes to the existence of Indian State as a nuclear weapon state. Does the Indian nuclear arsenal face a credibility crisis with respect to China? Is it primarily due to India not having thermonuclear weapons similar to China?

India has nuclear weapons which is the fission weapons (20 kiloton yield) that are absolutely not enough to deter China. As India completed the 23rd anniversary on 13 May 2021 of the May 1998 nuclear test that is the Shakti series of test (also called Pokhran II); these tests were basically a mid station between what India should have done and where India should have gotten to and where India stopped. So basically the 1998 series of test was merely a passage to more testing until India developed more sophisticated design that is thermonuclear weapons ranging from low to high yield in two stages.

That was the entire logic behind the ‘Operation Shakti’ except it was short circuited by the then Vajpayee Government which stopped as known all test at five in May 1998. So this was a truncated kind of testing that has not served any purpose with respect to the Chinese. It is primarily because of Shakti I also called the S1 test (thermonuclear bomb) that design did not quite work, it did not work simply because there were flaws in the design which needed to be rectified.


DRDO Scientist Dr. Santhanam who was Director of field testing in Pokhran II, wrote a letter immediately to the GOI after the 1998 nuclear explosions saying that more testing is essential because S1 did not quite work out to the yield requirements it was designed for. This is apart from the fact that Prime Minister Vajpayee had announced on 28 May 1998 that no further test will be done. In my opinion India should continue with its nuclear tests because in those 1998 nuclear test the device tested, worked only 7% to 20% of its designed yield; not good enough for thermonuclear.


Therefore, it is urgently essential for the GOI to resume nuclear testing. Countries like America are not going to allow India to reach technological parity, which is why Indian technology is frozen at the sub thermonuclear level. At that time in 1998, the then US Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott wanted to ensure India does not become a country having nuclear weapons beyond the rudimentary stage like India’s moderate nuclear deterrent of 20 Kiloton (up to which only the Pokhran II was a success).


So India should not stop nuclear tests and carry on like Pokhran III, IV….. till the point a reliable, proven, safe and credible thermonuclear arsenal is attained; unless India gets it, one cannot claim thermonuclear weapons status because as of now no credible thermonuclear weapons exists! Bharat Karnad says A “megaton thermonuclear-ICBM” will also permit India to “stare down” China and deter China from seeking a military confrontation.



Simulation in the case of a thermonuclear bomb cannot become a valid argument by substituting nuclear test. Bharat Karnad says “According to a senior DRDO official involved in the nuclear testing, some six months after the May 1998 tests, he recommended resumption of testing to the government because he was convinced that the test of the hydrogen bomb was inadequate for the purposes of developing simulation software and designing performance-capable thermonuclear weapons.”


If these nuclear tests are not done in the time to come and the thermonuclear bomb (also called big bomb and fusion weapon) is not attained then one is relying on the fact that China will not prefer to test India’s nuclear arsenal. After the S1 test on 11 May 1998, Prime Minister Vajpayee had officially claimed that we have successfully tested a thermonuclear device.


If the Chinese experiment with India’s capability by launching a first strike, then India would be stuck that is unable to deliver a massive retaliation due to the only proven, tested weapon being the 20 kiloton after the Pokhran II test.


So India’s nuclear weapons capabilities are at a sub-optimal level and as a Security Analyst to my mind that is a very infirm kind of situation for a country like India to be in, especially when India intends to become a great power!

 

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Who told you what China is planning? Was there a personal call from Xin ping to you?
You don't need Xi or Modi to tell you that.
Anyone with a brain can figure it out by looking at the map: A victory against India won't bring China anything but piles of rock. So does India.
Both side are not interested in a war except the fanboys or keyboard warrior like you.
 

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And no, China is not taking the help of Pakistan to open two fronts war.
Chinese is planning to fight India to the last Pakistani.
Ofcourse they are providing weapon nukes missile etc.to Porks for playdates.

Anyway what do you mean China is planning to fight India to the last Pakistani ?.😂😂😂😂

Porks know this well in a two front war they will be mauled down completely by India and then it will be turn of Yellow Man who will face multiple front.

Infact We might see multiple nanjing happening in such scenario.

And China know this well that they can't face India alone so they need Pakistan to do their bidding. Funding drugs Terrorist organisation etc and now using bio warfare with Chinese corona virus they have been doing whatever evil they can create and spread...
 

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Ofcourse they are providing weapon nukes missile etc.to Porks for playdates.

Anyway what do you mean China is planning to fight India to the last Pakistani ?.😂😂😂😂

Porks know this well in a two front war they will be mauled down completely by India and then it will be turn of Yellow Man who will face multiple front.
Typical Indian wishful thinking:
Before the war, we will win easily.....
After the war, no, we are back stabbed.....

:crying:

Infact We might see multiple nanjing happening in such scenario.
Today, we can still damn Japanses' atrocities in the world. Who remembers what British did to Indians during colonial era? No one cares!

And China know this well that they can't face India alone so they need Pakistan to do their bidding. Funding drugs Terrorist organisation etc and now using bio warfare with Chinese corona virus they have been doing whatever evil they can create and spread...
Of course, it is always others fault.
One thing that Indians are good at is: blaming others.
 

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Typical Indian wishful thinking:
Before the war, we will win easily.....
After the war, no, we are back stabbed.....

:crying:
You seems to be hooked on too much Chinese Han movie dramas and porkshit or batshit whatever chinese are eating these days.

We have been to war since independence multiple times and have defeated Porks backed by USA China and M world convincingly.

Regarding the Chinks everyone knew it was Nehru's stupidity the moment religious places, Dalai Lama and Tibet were attacked by Chinese the war was declared. While he kept on his stupid politics . I don't think there was any backstabbing nor anyone else I know.

There is no doubt in our mind or other allies we are working with that China needs to be mauled down and destroyed for the sanity stability and prosperity of world.


Today, we can still damn Japanses' atrocities in the world. Who remembers what British did to Indians during colonial era? No one cares!
You can damn what ? Lol No one give a F abt Japanese atrocities because let's be honest there were none. The great victory at nanjing damned you.

Of course, it is always others fault.
One thing that Indians are good at is: blaming others.
Lol isn't what Batmunchers do.... While they burnt people of Tibet alive , were busy spreading lies abt Dalai Lama all over world but No one Gives a F.

It is no secret the yellow men made Chinese corona virus at Wuhan Lab Denying the truth won't do much.

But then yellow men have been always known to be shameless F'tard weren't they ?
 

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You don't need Xi or Modi to tell you that.
Anyone with a brain can figure it out by looking at the map: A victory against India won't bring China anything but piles of rock. So does India.
Both side are not interested in a war except the fanboys or keyboard warrior like you.
That is such a dumb take, it hurts my head tbh. Both countries have a lot to gain from a victory, in any case if you truly believe this, cause we Indians don't, tell your leader to de-induct all forces from eastern Ladakh, because all you will be losing are just a bunch of rocks right?
 

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China has suffered alot and it stood up for itself. I respect that. It will replace US as superpower soon enough and also dominate world affairs for a reasonably long time. India at best will be a regional power and maybe a significant voice in international arena but not a superpower. Indian democracy and administration still trying to figure out a way to find the right leader and system for better and quicker decision making. We are supposed to work with China for India's greater interests and also for a multipolar world. Maybe make a union and unite our defence forces so nobody feels their territories being threatened and make the borders irrelevant but it's difficult to figure out CCP leader's intention and Indians too need to stop leaning towards west to partner with China. Why fight against each other when we can fight together? I hope both CCP's and India's leadership can figure out ways to become each others permanent best friend and partner. I have immense respect and admiration for China's long history, culture and civilisation and it's ability to get back up on its feet after taking a beating unlinke white barbarians who ain't got much of history, culture or civilisation. I really wish the two of us join our hands and write a new chapter in HumanKind's history making it even greater.
 
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China has suffered alot and it stood up for itself. I respect that. It will replace US as superpower soon enough and also dominate world affairs for a reasonably long time. India at best will be a regional power and maybe a significant voice in international arena but not a superpower. Indian democracy and administration still trying to figure out a way to find the right leader and system for better and quicker decision making. We are supposed to work with China for India's greater interests and also for a multipolar world. Maybe make a union and unite our defence forces so nobody feels their territories being threatened and make the borders irrelevant but it's difficult to figure out CCP leader's intention and Indians too need to stop leaning towards west to partner with China. Why fight against each other when we can fight together? I hope both CCP's and India's leadership can figure out ways to become each others permanent best friend and partner. I have immense respect and admiration for China's long history, culture and civilisation and it's ability to get back up on its feet after taking a beating unlinke white barbarians who ain't got much of history, culture or civilisation. I really wish the two of us join our hands and write a new chapter in HumanKind's history making it even greater.
Ah this Aman ka tamasha bullshit again.
 

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Ah this Aman ka tamasha bullshit again.
I just hate these fellow ,our previous generation did their share at keeping enemy at bay and developing a nationalist base ,now it's our time to make bharat reach it's glories ,we might fail or not reach that point but our lives are worthless if we start aman ki tamasha now , goals Should be clear ,each and every Pakistani displaced or killed , nothing in between , annex more land from Bangladesh sans people , get equivalent to china in next two decades
 

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Today, we can still damn Japanses' atrocities in the world. Who remembers what British did to Indians during colonial era? No one cares!
This one, I totally agree with you. Chinese got their education right. We on other hand, still have education that glorifies invaders. Just read about how much Indians fap to the greatness of Moghuls.
 

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