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year, IAF should get second hand Mirage from friendly countries. I don't know why, but, I think they are a better platform than mig 29 for combat mission. Also, we can integrate European and Israeli weapons easily.
I say absolutely also heard IAF trusts Mirages very much. I still think we should buy these more from France at relatively cheaper rates. They will be handful on Paki front. Rafale should be more China centric.
 

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Welcome to the time machine :)

France and India Bargain Over Sale of 150 Mirage Warplanes

By Edward Cody
October 23, 1981
France and India are pushing ahead with major negotiations over the purchase of 150 advanced Mirage-2000 warplanes for the Indian Air Force, a $2 billion deal that would give India a major source of aircraft other than the Soviet Union and give France's Mirage production lines a new lease on life.
The deal, which Indian officials here say is still being negotiated, would include arrangements for eventual Indian assembly or manufacture of the Mirage-2000, a delta-winged, all-purpose craft designed to become a mainstay of the French Air Force.
The negotiations, which continued here today, underscore the difficulties faced by major world leaders who seek to reconcile broadly stated goals of economic development with the hard realities of military competition and the high profits of arms sales. This is particularly true of President Francois Mitterrand of France, who loudly denounced arms sales to the Third World under his predecessor, and Prime Minister Indira Gandhi of India, who has strongly criticized neighboring Pakistan's plans to buy U.S.-made F16s while at the same time engaging in a multibillion dollar buildup of India's armed forces.
Both Mitterrand and Gandhi are participants in the summit meeting of 22 world leaders currently underway in Cancun, Mexico that is dealing with issues of economic growth for developing countries.
Mitterrand's dilemma is that, while he has called for "revision" of French arms sales policies, the industry signed more than $6 billion in contracts last year with foreign governments. As the world's third-largest arms exporter after the United States and the Soviet Union, France has 75,000 workers employed in the arms industry and another 275,000 jobs depend on it indirectly.
As unemployment heads toward the 2 million mark, the socialist government can ill afford to turn down possibly lucrative contracts that will keep defense workers on the payroll. This is particularly pressing now since Venezuela and Australia, both equipped with earlier Mirage models, recently announced their intention to buy U.S. planes, Venezuela F16s and Australia F18s.
Referring to this clash between ideas and economics during his election campaign last spring, Mitterrrand said: "Tens of thousands of homes and entire regions live from this activity alone. One can regret it. But this is a given fact that limits what we can do and that I must take into account."
Foreign military attaches here say another factor is that, with India the only lively prospect at the moment, the French defense establishment is increasingly eager to strike a deal allowing the Mirage-2000 to be produced in large enough numbers that the French Air Force will be able to buy the craft at a reasonable price.
"They're really getting desperate," said a Third World attache.
The plane's manufacturer, Dassault-Breguet, has been told the French Air Force plans to buy about 300 Mirage-2000s, which are scheduled to begin service in 1983. But the firm, which is about to be nationalized, must sell several hundred more to recover its research and development costs and still charge an acceptable price, the attaches said.
Against this background, the Indian government team here, headed by Defense Secretary P. K. Kaul, has been bargaining hard, despite a reported decision by the Indian defense establishment that the Mirage-2000 fits Indian needs best. Aside from financing -- a major problem-- the talks center on delivery schedules and the possibility of India's building the plane itself, according to Indian and French reports.
In what perhaps reflects an Indian negotiating tactic, press reports from New Delhi have emphasized that the Soviet Union is offering swift delivery of the Mig25 at prices well below those of the Mirage-2000. India is believed already to possess a reconnaissance version of the Mig25, called the Foxbat in Western military terminology.
At the same time, the Indian government is reported reluctant to become lopsidedly dependent on Soviet arms supplies, particularly on top of a recent agreement to buy and manufacture Mig23s to replace its aging fleet of Mig21s.
If the Mirage purchase goes through, however, India is likely to back out of the final part of a three-phase, $1.8 billion deal with British Aerospace, in which New Delhi was to buy 40 Jaguar fighters, assemble 45 more at Bangalore and then manufacture an additional quantity.
Gandhi's government is considering the Mirage-2000 instead, according to reports from New Delhi, because it feels the French plane is more advanced and thus a superior response to the 40 F16s that Washington has agreed to supply to Pakistan over the next 2 1/2 years.
The delivery schedule is particularly important to India, officials said, because Pakistan is to receive its first F16s within the year and Dassault-Breguet has put forward 1984 as its earliest delivery date.

150 fighters for 2 billion dollars. Those were the days. 😭😭

Calculating for inflation, that equals 5.97 billion USD today. If only India wasn't so poor back then.
 

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I say absolutely also heard IAF trusts Mirages very much. I still think we should buy these more from France at relatively cheaper rates. They will be handful on Paki front. Rafale should be more China centric.
Don't discount mig29 as poor. Mig29upg is quite good as good as mirage 2000 . Yes mirage 2000 has its perks like best EW but mig29 got pretty decent EW System which is as good as mirage 2000 EW , if not better. I mean mirage 2000 also have external jamming pod when equiped will definitely be better than mig29upg overall. Both these fighters will find them in WVR , rather than BVR, where mig29upg will definitely trump mirage 2000. Mig 29k is better than mirage 2000 overall. No double about it. But I wouldn't mind more mirage 2000 or more mig29 if anybody is going to sell it. France have a lot of and maybe we can make a deal with them and may bought additional rafale aircraft if they are willing to sell mirage 2000. But it will be expensive a lot. But the question is can our bureaucrats do this.?
 

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UAE has the best Mirage 2000 out there ... point is, they like them so much they have contracted Dassault for another upgrade.

Perhaps India should make an offer they cannot refuse ... Godfather’s style.
 

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UAE has the best Mirage 2000 out there ... point is, they like them so much they have contracted Dassault for another upgrade.

Perhaps India should make an offer they cannot refuse ... Godfather’s style.
Why the best? What do the IAF upgraded Mirages lack that these don't?
 

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UAE has the best Mirage 2000 out there ... point is, they like them so much they have contracted Dassault for another upgrade.

Perhaps India should make an offer they cannot refuse ... Godfather’s style.
supply them Tejas trainers for their training jet requirement. This offer can work, I think. They will get 1 new Tejas Vs. 2 mirages
 

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Why the best? What do the IAF upgraded Mirages lack that these don't?
Sorry, I was thinking about the best Mirage 2000 available for India. The Emirati Mirage 2000-9 is better equipped than a French or Greek Mirage 2000-5 .
 

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150 fighters for 2 billion dollars. Those were the days. 😭😭

Calculating for inflation, that equals 5.97 billion USD today. If only India wasn't so poor back then.

We did paid for Jaguar assembly line due to politics instead of Mirages.

And SU did offered a better deal with Mig 29 to us. They were our best Air superiority fighter jet until Sukhoi arrived.
 
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Sorry, I was thinking about the best Mirage 2000 available for India. The Emirati Mirage 2000-9 is better equipped than a French or Greek Mirage 2000-5 .
No you are right they do have the best one available after M2000I

2-3 Rafale Sqd are done deal which leaves very little for IAF to spent though. And they do want some non American jets in their airforce.

supply them Tejas trainers for their training jet requirement. This offer can work, I think. They will get 1 new Tejas Vs. 2 mirages
Not happening Indian Gov may not allow it. May be they do but in 2018 discussion did happened regarding it.
 
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Bloody hell , they didn't order same in early 2000s
I guess the purchase is mostly for spares as Dassault will soon stop the spares supply too. This purchase will keep our fleet alive. Plus, the cost isn't too much- 230 crores INR/ 31 million USD isn't that big an amount.

Question to an expert- What does it take to upgrade the radar and avionics on a fighter jet? (access to source codes, own mission computers or anything else)
 

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INDIA NEWS
IAF to bolster fighter fleet with 24 second-hand Mirages
IAF’s 35-year old Mirage fleet, which performed exceptionally during the 2019 Balakot operation, is undergoing a mid-life upgrade, the people said – with the trigger for the acquisition of the second-hand aircraft being the immediate need for 300 critical spares.
By Shishir Gupta, New Delhi
PUBLISHED ON SEP 17, 2021 05:32 AM IST
The Indian Air Force (IAF) is set to acquire 24 second-hand Mirage 2000 fighters, made by Dassault Aviation, in an attempt to strengthen its ageing fleet of the fourth-generation fighters and also secure parts for its two existing squadrons of the aircraft, people familiar with the matter said on condition of anonymity. IAF has initialled a contract worth 27 million euros to buy the fighters, eight of which are in ready-to-fly condition, the people cited above added. That works out to a per-aircraft acquisition cost of 1.125 million euros. The people cited above said the aircraft will soon be shipped to India in containers.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...h-24-second-hand-mirages-101631836620386.html
 

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Why not give order for LCA Tejas for the same ammount :rage: ?
For wht i know LCA cnt replace role of mirage . The reason is its delta wing costs lots of energy but fuel capacity is low .. Also max take off weight is low . thats why its role is limited to point defence , support aircraft in the formation and light bombing .. But tejas mk2 will replace mirage .
 

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