IAF Mi-17V5 Crashed Near Coonoor (Tamil Nadu)-CDS Onboard

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So that's it ? No official communication by IAF or govt on the reason for the crash ? Just this ? What about taking measures to ensure it will not repeat ? Any statement on that ? Or is it the same jai ho russian maal attitude ? Armed forces know best, bloody civilians are morons, MiG-21 is better than junk Tejas anyday attitude ?
What could one expect from UN Armed forces, Except Frustration ?

How one can communicate officially when one Rammed Heli into tree?

And what improvement you are expecting?? Next time they should Rammed into water?

UN armed forces are only busy in new deals and Imported weapons without necessarily subsystems.

99.99% AF and their offspring literally believe Mig-21 is way more superior than Tejas. This is not a joke .. Just talk to them for 10 minutes.

India must establish an independent Crash investigation agency for better insight.
 

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What could one expect from UN Armed forces, Except Frustration ?

How one can communicate officially when one Rammed Heli into tree?

And what improvement you are expecting?? Next time they should Rammed into water?

UN armed forces are only busy in new deals and Imported weapons without necessarily subsystems.

99.99% AF and their offspring literally believe Mig-21 is way more superior than Tejas. This is not a joke .. Just talk to them for 10 minutes.

India must establish an independent Crash investigation agency for better insight.
Seeing no action or even strong introspection it all points to
IAF lack of professionalism, bunch of people coming in because of nepotism,
Hate local stuff loves imported maal and then we see dozens of crashes every year.
Then the retired secular officers show there secular fangs on tweeter despising state head and feeling happy when CDS is killed like this.
 

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As far as my recollection goes, this is only the second high profile air accident in the Nilgiris.

The last one happened way back in 1950.

How come a top of the line pilot qualified to fly VVIP's flies a fully loaded(fuel) chopper straight into a hillside?

As per standard flying protocol, they are known to ascend to a certain height and fly in a line till they reach Wellington in order to avoid flying into a hill because of the local topography and sudden changes in weather conditions.

This is like your typical Sanjay Gandhi, Rajesh Pilot like mysterious deaths.
 

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As far as my recollection goes, this is only the second high profile air accident in the Nilgiris.

The last one happened way back in 1950.

How come a top of the line pilot qualified to fly VVIP's flies a fully loaded(fuel) chopper straight into a hillside?

As per standard flying protocol, they are known to ascend to a certain height and fly in a line till they reach Wellington in order to avoid flying into a hill because of the local topography and sudden changes in weather conditions.

This is like your typical Sanjay Gandhi, Rajesh Pilot like mysterious deaths.
Don't know anything about Aviation but I would expect a terrain mapping software to constantly warn the pilot of terrain aptitude below.
 

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Don't know anything about Aviation but I would expect a terrain mapping software to constantly warn the pilot of terrain aptitude below.
In the absence of terrain mapping software and fancy tools, pilots stick to flight paths and good old altimeter's to know their altitude which seems to have been clearly violated.

The report raises more questions than answers.

The flight path from take off to crash has not been made public so far. Doubt it will ever be.

There have been no crashes of IA choppers in the past and flights between Sulur and Wellington are quite common. Of all crashes, it had to be this one carrying Gen. Rawat and some pretty important people and we must lump it as 'oh sheeet... burra hua vrooo... anhonee ko kaun taal sakta hai'.
 

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https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1789972

The Tri-Services Court of Inquiry into the Mi-17 V5 accident on 08 Dec 21 has submitted its preliminary findings. The inquiry team analysed the Flight Data Recorder and Cockpit Voice Recorder besides questioning all available witnesses to determine the most probable cause of the accident. The Court of Inquiry has ruled out mechanical failure, sabotage or negligence as a cause of the accident. The accident was a result of entry into clouds due to unexpected change in weather conditions in the valley. This led to spatial disorientation of the pilot resulting in Controlled Flight into Terrain. Based on its findings, the Court of Inquiry has made certain recommendations which are being reviewed.
 

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As far as my recollection goes, this is only the second high profile air accident in the Nilgiris.

The last one happened way back in 1950.

How come a top of the line pilot qualified to fly VVIP's flies a fully loaded(fuel) chopper straight into a hillside?

As per standard flying protocol, they are known to ascend to a certain height and fly in a line till they reach Wellington in order to avoid flying into a hill because of the local topography and sudden changes in weather conditions.

This is like your typical Sanjay Gandhi, Rajesh Pilot like mysterious deaths.
Going by this logic, this Controlled Flight Into Terrain will not happen to anyone anywhere because they follow a pre-decided fixed path that has sufficient altitude to clear any terrain. That is not how it works. The chopper was on its final approach to Wellington. The pilot had to negotiate a valley and turn right to get to Wellington. There is terrain all around. They use visual flying to navigate this. Now once in the cloud, the pilot suffers spatial disorientation. That is he lost where he is what is his relative position wrt the terrain. Probably a wrong control stick move taking the chopper that struck a tree(1st sound) which caused loss of control and subsequent crash(2nd sound). Now a sabotage angle is only possible
1) if the planners manipulated the thoughts and decision making ability of the pilot through some telepathy since the chopper has no other terrain warning equipment to aid the pilot and hence mislead him. The Mi 17 has to he flown visually. Hence the 2nd) possibility of sabotage is the pilot himself has grudge on BiRa or other passengers so he decides for a suicide crash( Both were sarcasm lol) . So forum members, alteast show some critical thinking abilities before blabbering absurd things in the forum. Minimum quality of posts should be maintained
 

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Thumb rule 95% of crashes happen because of pilot mistake . We cannot expect this mistake from the best of our pilots especially esp when they are doing critical missions
@vishnugupt is right ..UNAF lacks professionalism and they have mamoth ego or else why we are hearing same news again and again .
There is no such thing as 'the best of our pilots'. Everyone can have an off day at work. The mentality of being better than others is what can make a macho pilot. I can bet that if the IAF had deployed new pilots to carry the CDS that day, this crash wouldn't have happened. Someone with lesser experience would play safer with bad weather than someone who is too experienced.
 

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Possible that this report is only for public consumption, and the real reason is something else ? And not being revealed for opsec or natsec reasons ?
 

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Possible that this report is only for public consumption, and the real reason is something else ? And not being revealed for opsec or natsec reasons ?
No conspiracy theories, please. CFIT is a very common and known occurrence in aviation, especially when it comes to choppers. What smells like shit and looks like shit is usually just shit.
 

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What about change in protocol to get actual VIP level choppers ? Or atleast terrain warning and other systems ? Too little too late ?
Is it too little too late to save Bipin Rawat? Of course, but is it too late to save others who will fly on these choppers in the future? No!

There is no such thing as a VIP level chopper. I agree however, that terrain awareness equipment should be a part of all flying aircraft.
 

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The absolute horror of flying VFR in IMC. Things can go from not that bad to very bad in seconds.
[video via: r/flying on reddit]

Panamanian politician posts SOS after crashing in jungle


Pretty similar flying to what General Bipin Rawat's flying crew would have encountered that day.
 

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