IAF Mi-17V5 Crashed Near Coonoor (Tamil Nadu)-CDS Onboard

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Buddy, I don't mean to discourage you or anything, but you as an R&D engineer developing weapons and/or safety systems for our forces will be serving them much better than joining them. If you could come up with something that could allow helicopters to be safe in the event of a crash, that would be the biggest tribute you can pay to Rawat sir and the several other heroes that we have lost in chopper crashes.
 

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Did the pilots lose control of the chopper? Per initial inputs from eye witnesses, didn't seem like it blindly crashed into a mountainside. A chopper filled to the brim with fuel going down with the CDS is bound to raise a few eyebrows.

@mokoman Do you have the coordinates of the crash spot buddy?
 

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India needs to have a proper CDS culture
We barely have a strategic mindset in place AND you are talking about CDS culture. 😁

Bharat mein defence = troops rushing towards the border when invaded.

This was the mindset of people until the whole Doval-Modi-Shah-Rawat nexus took control of the security strategic culture and brought some semblance of forward thinking.

As @ezsasa pointed out in another thread on foreign policy, we have only started taking baby steps in that direction.

US is leagues away and has a deep state in the name of corporatists/CIA nexus that cushions the vulnerability of the democratic system. We only have a stupid democracy with no cushioning system behind.
 

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We barely have a strategic mindset in place AND you are talking about CDS culture. 😁

Bharat mein defence = troops rushing towards the border when invaded.

This was the mindset of people until the whole Doval-Modi-Shah-Rawat nexus took control of the security strategic culture and brought some semblance of forward thinking.

As @ezsasa pointed out in another thread on foreign policy, we have only started taking baby steps in that direction.

US is leagues away and has a deep state in the name of corporatists/CIA nexus that cushions the vulnerability of the democratic system. We only have a stupid democracy with no cushioning system behind.
Help me understand why don't they like CDS post ?

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Help me understand why don't they like CDS post ?

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Gen. Rawat sir was the 4th in line of succession. He was handpicked by a CCS decision because of his extensive experience in mountain warfare and counter-terrorism.

The 3 commanders who were sidelined had powerful political connections and lobbies within the army politics. They couldn't speak much during their term as it would be seen as insubordination. But once they retired with their loyalists, they started pandering to Chinese, Pakistanis, Congressis & everyone else, painting Rawat sir as a "BJP man" rather than a military officer.

This attempt is what we see today in tweets.
 

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Help me understand why don't they like CDS post ?

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It's not a big group of "they" it's a small group of "they" for whom the existing status quo has served the interests very well. Wasteful expenditures, military ranks on time and a post retirement cushy stint- all provided for by an ecosystem that obviously want to keep alive. "They" will come to media channels after retirement and sing melodies praising the prowess of an imported deal, while the average dhoti-kurta politician is happy with some jobs in the name of ToT. "They" will organise seminars, arrange talks, write op-ed and books "pondering" on the sorry state of military affairs in India and yet will resist tooth and nail any viable change. "They" are traitors and anti-nationals who put their individual benefit at the cost of the nation and will sell snakeoil to convince everyone otherwise. "They" are the ones we need to be very wary of, for their animosity will be subvert.
 

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We barely have a strategic mindset in place AND you are talking about CDS culture. 😁

Bharat mein defence = troops rushing towards the border when invaded.

This was the mindset of people until the whole Doval-Modi-Shah-Rawat nexus took control of the security strategic culture and brought some semblance of forward thinking.

As @ezsasa pointed out in another thread on foreign policy, we have only started taking baby steps in that direction.

US is leagues away and has a deep state in the name of corporatists/CIA nexus that cushions the vulnerability of the democratic system. We only have a stupid democracy with no cushioning system behind.
BJP government did an excellent job by creating CDS position.
 

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General Rawat was one of the most visionary Generals of the Indian Army, similar in stature to the likes of General Sundarji. He set a very high benchmark for all the future CDS, though he was just the first CDS of India. Although I didn't agree with every idea he had regarding Defence Reforms (such as a separate rocket force or lack of a third aircraft carrier), I still had tremendous respect for him for his commitment to defence reforms. Before he came, most Generals just paid lip service to the idea of Infantry modernization. Its under him that Infantry modernization finally took off. He implemented the ideas that were proposed by studies conducted under General VK Singh, thus taking forward his legacy. He didn't shy away from making tough statements even if they weren't "politically correct", despite being lambasted and slandered by the media and urban naxals. He was outspoken on matters of national security. Losing him so suddenly, it felt to me like a banyan tree uprooted and fell. The next CDS has large boots to fill. But as a person, the loss of General Rawat is irreperable. I had looked forward to his life even post-retirement. I had hopped to gain an insight into his thoughts from books and lectures he would have given after his retirement from the post of CDS. Now the country will never benefit from that phase of his life. Om Shanti sir. May the the rest of the establishment work hard to cement your legacy and complete the reforms you set in motion. May your wish of seeing a stronger India come true. May you attain moksh.
 

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Final moments of Mi-17 chopper carrying CDS Bipin Rawat and 13 others before it crashed near Coonoor, Tamil Nadu yesterday (Video Source: Locals present near accident spot)


Note the visibility was so poor
 
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