IAF made progress in moving to acquire fighters

[AbRaj]

A lot has changed and SAP need to update .
people who keep a watch on this domain understand how much has changed and how much more was procured in different weaponry after the incident..

That’s good if true. But as Sneh said I’m not sure if its adequate or not.
We need to fill a lot of gaping holes.
We need to make the air defence bulletproof.
Also Su 30 upgrade is also must , EW systems too. Our comms need a major upgrade. It was criminal ignorance to not upgrading comm system of your front line fighters( Yes Mig 21).

 

[Atcjurvin]

That is not satisfactory performance at all . We failed to achieve deterrence. They came and went without a loss. IAF looked almost helpless to prevent the intrusion despite knowing well in advance. Gafoora and Dimraan already gave clear threats of retaliation. You just cant sit behind your back after bombing your nuclear armed neighbour.
Our Air defences proved incomplete and C&C performed poorely. We downed our owned Helo.
Even that was not a big deal if we have retaliated. But No, we turned cold and let the badgereds celebrate.
They proved to be on top of escalatory ladder at the end of day. We buckled down after giving threats of annihilation

Their f16 was shot down are u fucking moron......

 

[AbRaj]

Their f16 was shot down are u fucking moron......

Its unvarified claim as per common practices of air warfare statistics. You need visual evidence to verify any claim. May be in future we come to know that it indeed was F16.

 

[Pulakeshin]

You need visual evidence to verify any claim.

Visual evidence? If Muslims can claim Allah without any visual evidence, surely we can claim an F16 kill as well

 

[AbRaj]

Visual evidence? If Muslims can claim Allah without any visual evidence, surely we can claim an F16 kill as well

We are not Muzz here. Do we ?
We cant justify one illogical thing with another

 

[varun9509]

That is not satisfactory performance at all . We failed to achieve deterrence. They came and went without a loss. IAF looked almost helpless to prevent the intrusion despite knowing well in advance. Gafoora and Dimraan already gave clear threats of retaliation. You just cant sit behind your back after bombing your nuclear armed neighbour.
Our Air defences proved incomplete and C&C performed poorely. We downed our owned Helo.
Even that was not a big deal if we have retaliated. But No, we turned cold and let the badgereds celebrate.
They proved to be on top of escalatory ladder at the end of day. We buckled down after giving threats of annihilation

They came to attack, they had attack armaments, no Air Force in the world will put their aircrafts just to test our resolve. They had motive, and it got shattered, when IAF retaliated.

IAF scrambled jets as soon as they got to know about them, how is this helplessness? IAF didn't sit back, they retaliated.

I don't have much technical knowledge about our Air defense, but our Helo going down was a mishap in the fog of war, it happened, IAF accepted it and took appropriate action. But the same happened with them 3-4 days after the operation, when they downed their own JF17, when we didn't even do anything. Are they still on top?

They proved to be on top? How? They were the ones to attack. They failed miserably at it.

The only thing I agree with you is that we should have retaliated that day itself. Our Government should have been stricter. But who knows what all happened behind closed doors.

If you expect war to be clean and easy against Pak, sorry no war is going to be like 0 casualty or error on our side. That is how things work..

 

[Icarus]

Iaf attacked terror camps ( non state) whereas paf attacked indian military installations (state). Pakistan 1 India 0.

 

[varun9509]

Iaf attacked terror camps ( non state) whereas paf attacked indian military installations (state). Pakistan 1 India 0.

IAF attacked 80 km inside Pak on their land, Pak while having superior numbers coundn't even cross LOC and failed to successfully attack anything.
Pakistan 0 India 2 (-1 for not retaliating that day)

 

[AbRaj]

They came to attack, they had attack armaments, no Air Force in the world will put their aircrafts just to test our resolve. They had motive, and it got shattered, when IAF retaliated.

IAF scrambled jets as soon as they got to know about them, how is this helplessness? IAF didn't sit back, they retaliated.

I don't have much technical knowledge about our Air defense, but our Helo going down was a mishap in the fog of war, it happened, IAF accepted it and took appropriate action. But the same happened with them 3-4 days after the operation, when they downed their own JF17, when we didn't even do anything. Are they still on top?

They proved to be on top? How? They were the ones to attack. They failed miserably at it.

The only thing I agree with you is that we should have retaliated that day itself. Our Government should have been stricter. But who knows what all happened behind closed doors.

If you expect war to be clean and easy against Pak, sorry no war is going to be like 0 casualty or error on our side. That is how things work..

Yaar that’s rediculus. They dropped bombs inside our territory, near our army installation. How it was not an escalation.
Do you wanted someone to get killed there?

PAF is different type of airforce. Its an abnormal airforce of a dysfunction state. They do a lot of stuff just to look good. I think you have already noticed that.

Our Air defences failed or not present at all there. Is it that hard to understand.

Your defenition success and failure is quite different than mine buddy.

 

[varun9509]

Yaar that’s rediculus. They dropped bombs inside our territory, near our army installation. How it was not an escalation.
Do you wanted someone to get killed there?

I agree with you, that was escalation, and I blame our government for that. We should have retaliated.

But IAF is not the one who has lost.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Iaf attacked terror camps ( non state) whereas paf attacked indian military installations (state). Pakistan 1 India 0.

IAF attacked ruhani military state which used to say if you will attack us even with grenade we will launch nuclear bombs what happened to those bombs oh i guess you and all other pakistani are busy in pushing them out of ur ass?
India - 1 Pakistan - 0.
India removed article 370.
India killed jihadis non stop for months - 1
Pakistani cried like cowards - 0.

 

[varun9509]

Yaar that’s rediculus. They dropped bombs inside our territory, near our army installation. How it was not an escalation.
Do you wanted someone to get killed there?

Do remember they were on the attack. They chose the numbers, the time and place of attack. They know our weak points, defenses (do you think they have not prepared for it). But still IAF defended it having much smaller numbers. IAF didn't lose here.

 

[AbRaj]

IAF attacked ruhani military state which used to say if you will attack us even with grenade we will launch nuclear bombs what happened to those bombs oh i guess you and all other pakistani are busy in pushing them out of ur ass?
India - 1 Pakistan - 0.
India removed article 370.
India killed jihadis non stop for months - 1
Pakistani cried like cowards - 0.

26 Feb was a landmark event, that’s for sure. We overcame a lot of our dhimminess and attacked the Muzz jihaad factory.

 

[amit19]

OK. Once again ... short one liner summary to understand what happened :biggrin2:

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IAF Chief:IAF successfully struck target chosen. Pakistan Air Force responded 30 hrs later with a large package of aircraft under Operation Swift Retort,&IAF ensured they weren't able to hit targets. They were in a hurry to disengage.They were doing it for their domestic audience
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They missed targets, they lost THE F16B, they begged not to attack with missiles while 8 targets were locked by Bramhos and hurriedly returned captured Mig21 pilot.

I bet, after pilot return, we should have gone to demand return of K Yadav within next 24 hrs, we might have got him tooo.
And after that, Mr D in next 24 hrs, it would have been .....

 

[Icarus]

IAF attacked ruhani military state which used to say if you will attack us even with grenade we will launch nuclear bombs what happened to those bombs oh i guess you and all other pakistani are busy in pushing them out of ur ass?
India - 1 Pakistan - 0.
India removed article 370.
India killed jihadis non stop for months - 1
Pakistani cried like cowards - 0.

India can keep on killing jihadis, pakistan doesn't care because jihadis are expendable. You kill 100 jihadis, they will quickly employ 100 more. So far India hasn't captured or killed EVEN ONE high-profile target - hafeez sayeed, masood azhar, or pak generals or ISI masterminds. Killing foot soldiers/jihadis makes no difference, they also kill our jawans and replace their foot soldiers/jihadis with more jihadis.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

All of the ruhani nibbas believe war is so simple they attack we attack nothing strategic just throw some bombs on the other side without any gains is called win.
Iran few days back launched missiles at American base. And Americans didn't strike back so Iranian become they new super power? No it's not that simple Americans first took out the most strategic man of Iranian force and because of that iran is going to suffer alot in managing it's proxies.

 

[AbRaj]

Do remember they were on the attack. They chose the numbers, the time and place of attack. They know our weak points, defenses (do you think they have not prepared for it). But still IAF defended it having much smaller numbers. IAF didn't lose here.

No they don’t . Truth is they warned us for quick retaliation and fucking did it within 24 Hrs. We knew what’s coming and still unable go prevent it. And end bowed down to retaliate at the end

 

[Icarus]

OK. Once again ... short one liner summary to understand what happened :biggrin2:

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IAF Chief:IAF successfully struck target chosen. Pakistan Air Force responded 30 hrs later with a large package of aircraft under Operation Swift Retort,&IAF ensured they weren't able to hit targets. They were in a hurry to disengage.They were doing it for their domestic audience
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They missed targets, they lost THE F16B, they begged not to attack with missiles while 8 targets were locked by Bramhos and hurriedly returned captured Mig21 pilot.

I bet, after pilot return, we should have gone to demand return of K Yadav within next 24 hrs, we might have got him tooo.
And after that, Mr D in next 24 hrs, it would have been .....

All these are excuses for the failure of Indian air force. IAF killed jihadis (non state), whereas they captured and humiliated Indian pilot (state). Which do u think is a real victory - killing nameless jihadis or capturing a uniformed man representing the Indian state?

 

[Pulakeshin]

Let Pakis think they won some kind of a big war last year. It doesn't matter to us. What matters is how we learn from that incident. If we rectify our mistakes and let them boast about that, the next time we hit them, we will be better prepared and they will get a more painful blow. Pakistanis have a habit of thinking that they have done some big thing always. According to their newspaper, 5 days before 1971 surrender they were winning the war. Just look at recent events. They are losing to India everywhere in sports, economy,film industry,etc. We need to take it cool. We haven't lost any war as such.

 

[amit19]

No they don’t . Truth is they warned us for quick retaliation and fucking did it within 24 Hrs. We knew what’s coming and still unable go prevent it. And end bowed down to retaliate at the end

We prevented the attack, they missed the targets. Dont furget, it was not a full fledged war, the ROE were restricted.

OTOH, pakis missed to prevent our attack, we got our targets as well as pilot.