Huawei and ZTE Under Investigation by Indian Intelligence Agencies

[Raj30]

Huawei, ZTE under scanner - Hindustan Times
Chinese telecom equipment manufacturers Huawei and ZTE have again come under the scanner of Indian intelligence agencies following a report by Pentagon that said China is involved in widespread cyber espionage. In a report released on Monday, the US Department of Defense (Pentagon) has said that intrusions originating from China have been designed to steal confidential information around the nation's "diplomatic, economic, and defense industrial base sectors that support national defense programs."
"We know about the concerns of intelligence agencies and are expediting developing system for testing the telecom equipments of foreign manufacturers in networks," said an official of India's department of telecommunications (DoT).

The government is setting up a testing lab at IISc, Bangalore where all the equipments will be tested.

The cabinet secretariat had earlier written a letter to DoT expressing concerns over the induction of large scale foreign telecom equipments, especially by Chinese companies ZTE and Huawei, in private and government networks without testing. The secretariat had asked DoT to make provisions for identifying Spyware, Malware and bugging software in the equipment.

Indian intelligence agencies have been warning the government about the potential security threat posed by the Chinese companies. RAW had, last year, informed DoT that Huawei had links with the Chinese Army. "Huawei Technologies is known to have links with the People's Liberation Army (PLA) and the ministry of state security of China..," RAW wrote to DoT.

This is second such report in seven months by a US department/committee. In October, the permanent select committee on Intelligence of the US house of representatives came out with a report titled "Investigative report on the US national security issues posed by Chinese telecommunications firms Huawei and ZTE."

The report has warned that equipment made by the two Chinese firms posed risk because it could be used to eavesdrop on the nation's telecoms networks.

When contacted, both Huawei and ZTE declined to comment.

 

[The Last Stand]

When contacted, both Huawei and ZTE declined to comment.

Did Hindustan Times really think that they would reply?

If they did not reply, we can assume that our best friend (i.e. PLA) is using them as an intelligence gathering front.

What else is new?

 

[sorcerer]

Its hightime nations boycott products having affiliations to PRC or PLA.
Such incidents should be used to promote products from the local market. The move will be well justified .

 

[amoy]

Anyway ZTE and Huawei have gained footholds in Sri Lanka and Pakistan by partnering with locla telecom firms.

Tit-for-tat retaliation ahead against Indian enterprises? Above all any Indian corp. having made their names known globally even worthy of an ""investigation""?

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[sorcerer]

Anyway ZTE and Huawei have gained footholds in Sri Lanka and Pakistan by partnering with locla telecom firms.

Tit-for-tat retaliation ahead against Indian enterprises? Above all any Indian corp. having made their names known globally even worthy of an ""investigation""?

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Nope.Most of the time Indian companies wont get painted on the investigation radar as it sticks to certain ethics. Our armies dont operate companies as a front in guise of service providers to the mass blinding trust and faith.

We "respect", thats how we command.We have certain ethics that we dont dilute for any gains. That is the concept of India.

As PRC would put it..PRC has a."Difference in perception " on doing business and running an army. World is already disagreeing on such a modus operandi.

Btw, if it was not for intel gathering, these companies owned by PLA wont gain foothold in any of these places, forget about foot,..not even an inch.

The thing that PRC should worry about is, if it goes down south..its gonna go down south faster than Kim on West.

 

[amoy]

Nope.Most of the time Indian companies wont get painted on the investigation radar as it sticks to certain ethics. Our armies dont operate companies as a front in guise of service providers to the mass blinding trust and faith.

We "respect", thats how we command.We have certain ethics that we dont dilute for any gains. That is the concept of India.

As PRC would put it..PRC has a."Difference in perception " on doing business and running an army. World is already disagreeing on such a modus operandi.

Btw, if it was not for intel gathering, these companies owned by PLA wont gain foothold in any of these places, forget about foot,..not even an inch.

The thing that PRC should worry about is, if it goes down south..its gonna go down south faster than Kim on West.

When I asked for a few names of Indian companies of any world prestige, u boast of Indian "ethics".

When I pointed to Chinese firms charting their course in your neighbourhood, u became a fortune teller going down south.

If u are not competitive enough, u're not posing insignificant threats to vested interests. Hence there'd be little of "investigation" or barrier for your business access as a non-player.

That's just one of growing pains that Chinese enterprises have to face. Think about Japanese firm back in 1970-1990s

 

[sorcerer]

When I asked for a few names of Indian companies of any world prestige, u boast of Indian "ethics".

When I pointed to Chinese firms charting their course in your neighbourhood, u became a fortune teller going down south.

If u are not competitive enough, u're not posing insignificant threats to vested interests. Hence there'd be little of "investigation" or barrier for your business access as a non-player.

That's just one of growing pains that Chinese enterprises have to face. Think about Japanese firm back in 1970-1990s

When I asked for a few names of Indian companies of any world prestige, u boast of Indian "ethics".

We sure can boast about ethics as well as global presence with our IT companies(Infosys//TCS etc), which provides state of art technology services to firms without spying on the client's data.
You must be aware of global presence by many Indian companies, if you are looking at with impartial terms.

When I pointed to Chinese firms charting their course in your neighbourhood, u became a fortune teller going down south.

Actually every media is telling about how the fortune is made by PRC ; by stealing sensitive information. It happens because , such companies are the front of PLA. So such is the nature of a company run by army. The army will use it as a front to harvest information.
Its not fortune telling, its stating out the obvious.

If u are not competitive enough, u're not posing insignificant threats to vested interests. Hence there'd be little of "investigation" or barrier for your business access as a non-player.

We are competitive enough in sectors we are doing business on, but if you call, spying and pirating data, then we sure is not for such a competition. See, look at all the hype about expionage linking to PRC. Its not fake, they are not making it up. Who ever is crying out loud is crying out loud with the facts and solid proofs.
"Competition" is an honourable term, which should mean a fair game.

 

[amoy]

Yours is wholely based on hypothesis, speculation and wild guess, such as "army links", "cyber espionage" blah blah. Any sound evidence? Zilch!

Indian homegrown companis, not limited to telecom sector, simply CANNOT COMPETE that's a known fact. No wonder a power of such a size is the world's largest arms importer! That's fine just dont hide behind groundless accusations for your trade or non barriers created to block foreign competition.

As for the bluff of Indian "ethics"，your disregard and breach of patent protection for pharmaceutical products is outrageous in the intl community - just to name one sector.

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[sorcerer]

Yours is wholely based on hypothesis, speculation and wild guess, such as "army links", "cyber espionage" blah blah. Any sound evidence? Zilch

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U.S. Intelligence Says Chinese Companies 'Can't Be Trusted'

In a report due out Monday, U.S. lawmakers say the federal government should block a impending merger between two of China's largest telecom companies. Why? Obviously, they must be spies.

The companies in question, Huawei and ZTE, want to expand in the United States, but the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence wants nothing to do with the plan. Following a yearlong investigation, the committee's report says that the two companies, two of the largest companies in the world's largest country, would not cooperate and should therefore be viewed as a threat. "Huawei and ZTE have failed to assuage the committee's significant security concerns presented by their continued expansion into the United States," the report reads. "In fact, given their obstructionist behavior, the committee believes addressing these concerns have become an imperative for the country." To be more specific, the report says that China "cannot be trusted to be free of foreign state influence and thus pose a security threat to the United States and to our systems."

Obviously, Huawei and ZTE aren't happy about America's suspicious gaze. Testifying before the committee on September 13, Huawei senior vice president Charles Ding said, "Huawei has not and will not jeopardize our global commercial success nor the integrity of our customers' networks for any third party, government or otherwise." Nevertheless, lawmakers are uncomfortable with Chinese-made telecommunications equipment being installed in American homes. According to the committee's report, they provide "a wealth of opportunities for Chinese intelligence agencies to insert malicious hardware or software implants into critical telecommunications components and systems."

This isn't the first time that the U.S. has made moves to stop Chinese business expansion in the name of national security. Just last week, the Obama administration called off a small Chinese energy company's plans to build a windfarm near a top secret U.S. Navy base in Oregon. That happens to be one of the bases where the military tests out its fleet of unmanned drones by flying high speed training drills at low altitude, and they'd rather not have a bunch of Chinese-owned windmills in the airspace. Windmills, after all, make great mounts for spy cameras.

If you think this all sounds kind of paranoid, you might be a little bit right. That said, China's already hacked into every major U.S. company, and military officials maintain that the country is a tremendous cyber security threat. Huawei and ZTE aren't just two random companies, either. They're two huge companies that do an undisclosed amount of work for the Chinese government, and again, they don't want to talk about the work the do for the Chinese government. Plus, it looks like at least one of them already ripped off the NBC logo -- more or less -- so they must be shady.

U.S. Intelligence Says Chinese Companies 'Can't Be Trusted' - Adam Clark Estes - The Atlantic Wire [old report but very true]

ndian homegrown companis, not limited to telecom sector, simply CANNOT COMPETE that's a known fact. No wonder a power of such a size is the world's largest arms importer!

We sure can compete and we are competing on fairer grounds..unfortunately, we dont backstab our clients , stealing data and call it competition. Its a known fact./
Sure, we import.. but we are not the worlds largest "imposter"

US public says PRC cant be trusted

About two-thirds of the public (68%) say the U.S. cannot trust China too much or at all; just 26% say China can be trusted a great deal or a fair amount. Of the nine countries tested, only Pakistan is seen as less trustworthy than China.

Trust in China is also lacking across the five expert groups; about a third or less say the U.S. can trust China, while solid majorities of at least 65% say China cannot be trusted. In contrast, nearly all respondents across the five groups see Britain and Japan as trustworthy, and majorities say the same about France, Israel and India.

As for the bluff of Indian "ethics"，your disregard and breach of patent protection for pharmaceutical products is outrageous in the intl community - just to name one sector.

Breach of patent protection in pharmacy? Where?

Well..PRC doesnt have the word Patent in its vocabulary ....and you are talking about patents.. and protection of IP rights.

 

[AVERAGE INDIAN]

Indian mobile operators considering deals with foreign telecommunications manufacturers have been required since December to submit the details to the Telecommunications Department, which forwards the information to the Ministry of Home Affairs for security clearance, according to the cellular operators association.

In a memo posted on its Web site , the Telecommunications Department clarified its security clearance rules, stating that the "operation and maintenance of telecom networks should be entirely by Indian engineers" and adding that the "dependence on foreign engineers should be minimal" within two years from a purchase.

Indian telecommunications companies are also required to demand that foreign manufacturers transfer their technology to make "critical" equipment and software within three years of a sale, the memo said, concluding that any Indian company that did not enforce technology transfers would be subject to criminal prosecution

 

[Known_Unknown]

I don't know about ZTE, but Huawei is already very well established in the Americas (except US) and Europe. Their forte has been providing extremely cheap equipment with a fair amount of good features.

However, Huawei was established by a former PLA soldier and has deep links with the Chinese government. The US is right to exclude them from their market.

 

[A chauhan]

I have used ZTE modem when I was using BSNL, its products are cheap and low quality. The way they have entered our market with alleged espionage capability is a matter of concern for us and the investigations must go on.

BTW what the thread has to do with Indian competitiveness ?

 

[amoy]

U.S. Intelligence Says Chinese Companies 'Can't Be Trusted'

We sure can compete and we are competing on fairer grounds..unfortunately, we dont backstab our clients , stealing data and call it competition. Its a known fact./
Sure, we import.. but we are not the worlds largest "imposter"

US public says PRC cant be trusted

Breach of patent protection in pharmacy? Where?

Well..PRC doesnt have the word Patent in its vocabulary ....and you are talking about patents.. and protection of IP rights.

Your arguments don't hold water. Here u go for facts >>> >>>

Indian drug patents: Taking pains | The Economist
Indian patent rules infuriate Big Pharma

Novartis loses landmark India cancer drug patent case | Reuters
(Reuters) - India's top court dismissed Swiss drugmaker Novartis AG's attempt to win patent protection for its cancer drug Glivec, a blow to Western pharmaceutical firms targeting India to drive sales and a victory for local makers of cheap generics.

India and the Drug Patent Wars - Health - AEI
In 1970, under pressure from companies duplicating Western-manufactured drugs, the government of then–prime minister Indira Ghandi abandoned the idea of product patent protection. Between 1970 and 2005, Indian patent law only allowed for "process patents," which provided little protection for those making long-run investments in drug research and development (R&D). As a result, a thriving generics industry specializing in "reverse engineering" and copying Western products developed in India. By some estimates, there are currently as many as 22,000 drug makers--of vastly varying quality--working in India.


Your fair play??

 

[sorcerer]

Your arguments don't hold water. Here u go for facts >>> >>>

Indian drug patents: Taking pains | The Economist
Indian patent rules infuriate Big Pharma

Novartis loses landmark India cancer drug patent case | Reuters
(Reuters) - India's top court dismissed Swiss drugmaker Novartis AG's attempt to win patent protection for its cancer drug Glivec, a blow to Western pharmaceutical firms targeting India to drive sales and a victory for local makers of cheap generics.

India and the Drug Patent Wars - Health - AEI
In 1970, under pressure from companies duplicating Western-manufactured drugs, the government of then–prime minister Indira Ghandi abandoned the idea of product patent protection. Between 1970 and 2005, Indian patent law only allowed for "process patents," which provided little protection for those making long-run investments in drug research and development (R&D). As a result, a thriving generics industry specializing in "reverse engineering" and copying Western products developed in India. By some estimates, there are currently as many as 22,000 drug makers--of vastly varying quality--working in India.


Your fair play??

Novartis loses landmark India cancer drug patent case | Reuters
(Reuters) - India's top court dismissed Swiss drugmaker Novartis AG's attempt to win patent protection for its cancer drug Glivec, a blow to Western pharmaceutical firms targeting India to drive sales and a victory for local makers of cheap generics.

Indian companies can manufacture drugs at economical rate, by using different components.
This doesnt mean that we spied on them and stole the data. its just that Indian pharma companies can manufacture drugs cost effectively using varying methods. All these cases are debated in court and has won the cases on fair grounds.

But there is also an interesting read

India should favor more international cooperation against fake drugs

India's pharmaceutical industry is also under attack from China. African authorities have repeatedly intercepted Chinese counterfeit medicines labeled "Made in India" to hide high volumes of fake drugs since Indian drugs dominate many markets. The packaging for these compounds is excellent; only experts can tell them apart and patients often find out too late. Indians suspect this is a ploy to deflect responsibility and undermine India's drug industry. In 2009, India protested and China admitted its companies were counterfeiting 'Indian' drugs, but the problem recurred in 2010 because of weak Chinese enforcement. China's past inaction suggests either a deliberate policy to destroy the reputation of Indian-made generics or, more likely, Beijing's inability to reign in the fake-drug trade that benefits some politically powerful players.

Your fair play??

 

[sorcerer]

I have used ZTE modem when I was using BSNL, its products are cheap and low quality. The way they have entered our market with alleged espionage capability is a matter of concern for us and the investigations must go on.

BTW what the thread has to do with Indian competitiveness ?

Their products are cheap because they have other bigger motives than just SALES.
They want people to buy their products so that they can spy.
They get valuable info, by selling CHEAP

 

[arya]

we can use failtiy companies to eye on them

like in gurgaon nimbus harbor a small facility company is doing work for huwaei , just insert few intelgence officer there to get access in huwaie office and flats .

 

[sorcerer]

we can use failtiy companies to eye on them

like in gurgaon nimbus harbor a small facility company is doing work for huwaei , just insert few intelgence officer there to get access in huwaie office and flats .

We must be already having that..who knows..
Every leak on non compliance by any PRC company is a down fall not just for that company but for the whole PRC

 

[arya]

We must be already having that..who knows..
Every leak on non compliance by any PRC company is a down fall not just for that company but for the whole PRC

do you really think we indian are so proactive we just do firefighting .

well i know the reality our intelligence officer are not doing there job , rest all they are doing .

 

[sorcerer]

do you really think we indian are so proactive we just do firefighting .

well i know the reality our intelligence officer are not doing there job , rest all they are doing .

Well..Not every case.
Intelligence officers are doing their job.
Ya know.every time we have a blast here in India, we read and hear that "there was intelligence on such an event"
These info is passed to the HM or the cops. . They screw it up by not taking action.

We should be worried about the politicos and the idiots in parliament, who are worried to act.

 

[ladder]

Huawei facing probe for 'hacking' BSNL network

NEW DELHI: Chinese telecom equipment maker Huawei allegedly hacked state-owned BSNL's network and the government is investigating the matter, Parliament was informed today.

"An incident about alleged hacking of Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited network by Huawei, a Chinese telecom company, has come to notice."

"The government has constituted an interministerial team to investigate the matter," Minister of State for Communications and IT Killi Kruparani informed the Lok Sabha.

There were reports of a mobile tower being impacted a few months ago in coastal area of Andhra Pradesh that was attributed to hacking by the company's engineers.

The written reply of the minister did not share any detail of the incident.

BSNL had awarded a major part of its network expansion tender of about 10.15 million lines to another Chinese company ZTE in 2012.

Huawei was also top contender in this bid but the company declined to supply equipments at low price quoted by ZTE.

A Parliamentary committee in 2012 had recommended that the government test the telecom equipment for security, against the backdrop of Chinese companies becoming biggest suppliers of hardware and software to Indian firms.

The committee has suggested government to consider United States model of auditing telecom equipments that can have serious security implications.

In 2012, a committee of US lawmakers on intelligence warned of cyber espionage threats from telecom networks built by Chinese companies and suggested that American companies considering to do business with Huawei and ZTE should look for other vendors.

The charges were strongly denied by both the Chinese companies.
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Huawei facing probe for 'hacking' BSNL network - The Times of India