Homeland Security in India

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Introduction

Homeland Security encompasses several dimensions of national focus and relates to safeguarding the internal environment of the country from disruptive activities that can potentially lead to disorder, loss of citizen’s lives and destruction of public and private property. India’s Homeland Security agencies primarily consist of the paramilitary forces, State and central police forces and the intelligence agencies, all under the aegis of the Indian Ministry of Home Affairs. :ranger:

Homeland Security consists of all activities aimed at preparing for, protecting against and Homeland Security in India is handled by a multitude of bodies with complex functional and reporting relationships. Law and order is a State subject and the State police are responsible for maintaining law and order internally. The Ministry of Home Affairs is responsible for internal security, management of paramilitary forces, border management, Centre-State relations, administration of Union Territories managing the consequences of attacks in various sectors. The Ministry of Home Affairs has identified the following sectors as priority areas which need specific focus to strengthen the Homeland Security of the country; and disaster management. The Ministry of Defence obtains policy directions of the government on all defence and security related matters and communicates them for implementation, disaster management and maintenance of law and order . The Ministry of External Affairs is involved with foreign policy formulation and in matters relating to disarmament and international security .
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Homeland Security in India has witnessed an increasing focus in the recent past. Occurrences like the 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks, security concerns emanating from the forthcoming 2010 Commonwealth Games, increasing instances of domestic terrorism, ethnic conflicts and other real and perceived threats have reiterated the critical importance of protecting the internal environment of the country from any potential disruption. In light of these events and threats, the Central and State governments in the country now perceive the modernization and up-gradation of the country's Homeland Security infrastructure as an area of priority. :thumb: This has led to an increase in the Defence and Homeland Security expenditure outlay in the country.


Some key areas of focus

India is often referred to as a 'soft state' given its perceived inability to systematically and categorically deal with several threats to the country's Homeland Security. There is a plethora of State security agencies with a minimal ability to coordinate towards dealing with these threats in an effective manner. In an attempt to organize the Homeland Security apparatus of the country, the Ministry of Home Affairs is gearing itself to create a supporting infrastructure for the long term with an organized and targeted development of India's Homeland Security focused infrastructure. This includes modernization programs for providing better equipment and training to the security forces deployed with the task of Homeland Security in India, creation of a centralized comprehensive database called National Information Grid (NATGRID) by combining the individual databases of several government agencies, setting up of the CCTNS (Crime and Criminal Tracking Network and Systems) and several other such measures. In this endeavor, there are several areas which are critical to the Homeland Security of India and thus require specific focus.

. Police and paramilitary modernization

A well trained, well equipped and efficient police force is the bulwark of the internal security infrastructure of a country. Police modernization has been a focus area for strengthening the Homeland Security apparatus of the country. Presently, the cumulative annual budget allocation for all States and Union Territories under the pecific expenditure head of 'Police' is approximately INR 44,354 crores, which, despite a 21.7 per cent increase over the 2008-09 amount of INR 36,434 crores, still amounts to a meager 4.3 per cent of the total budgeted expenditure of all States and Union Territories in 2009-10 . Of this amount, more than 80 percent is spent on salary and maintenance of the forces and only about 20 percent is available for training and other capability building activities. In addition to this amount, the Ministry of Home Affairs released INR 1,230 crores as central funds for the modernization of India's police forces in 2009-10 . Also, in order to enhance the Homeland Security of the country through a specific focus on certain identified cities, the Ministry of Home Affairs allocated over INR 450 crores in 2009 for city surveillance projects . Such initiatives are likely to go a long way in addressing the requirements related to police modernization.

Furthermore, in order to strengthen the police apparatus and adequately train the available manpower to face the emerging challenges relating to intelligence and cyber crime, anti terrorist unit, quick response teams, industrial security force and coastal security, the States need to increase their budget allocation so that adequate funds are available for recruitment, creating a modern training infrastructure, acquisition of better weapons and other facets of police modernization like using IT to enable inter-connectivity of police databases of the different States.?

.Counter Terrorism

India has had to contend with terrorism in its different manifestations for a long time. Till a few years back, terror attacks were primarily in the form of sporadic blasts in the target cities. The situation changed somewhere around 2008 when India witnessed a new form of organized, sophisticated terrorism. The synchronized large terror attacks on the Indian soil demonstrated the increasing ability of terrorists to exploit the abundant communication infrastructure for collaboration, financing, intelligence gathering and execution of the terror attacks. This was further accentuated by the weak infrastructure and Homeland Security apparatus.

The challenges faced by this sector include an expanding transnational terrorist threat as well as the Maoist/Naxalite activities in eastern and central India. The changing nature of terrorism needs better network resources to effectively combat the growing instances of such activities in the country.

In an attempt to fight terrorism by checking cross-border infiltration, the Indian government has realized the necessity of deploying specialized technologies on all its borders. India is expected to spend INR 4,500 crore on domestic security before 2016 . In this context, the Ministry of Home Affairs has proposed to create a Multi-Agency Centre (MAC) that will work at both the center and State level to compile intelligence from and disperse intelligence to the participating agencies and set up a National Counterterrorism Centre (NCTC) which would be the nodal point for handling all aspects related to terrorism In India. There is approximately INR 324 crore allocated for this endeavor. A further amount of INR 10.50 crore has been released to establish 7 counter insurgency and anti-terrorism schools in 5 States .


Coastal and Maritime security

India has a coastline of about 7,500 km running along nine States and four Union Territories. A constant threat to India's security has been the possibility of terrorists entering the mainland by exploiting the country's porous maritime borders and perpetrating undesirable activities. These concerns were brought to light yet again when the perpetrators of Mumbai terror attacks entered India by exploiting the weak maritime border security.

Concerned with the nature of the porous maritime border and inadequate maritime security of the country, the Ministry of Home Affairs stated in 2008 that the Government of India had planned to enhance surveillance and patrolling of India's coastline to discourage infiltration attempts by terrorists through the sea lanes . In 2009, the Ministry of Home Affairs allocated over INR 225 crores in equipment for detecting arms and ammunitions in containers . The Government also sanctioned 73 coastal police stations under the Coastal Security Scheme, of which 64 are currently operational. Such efforts need to be strengthened through better management of maritime security efforts and specific coordination within different agencies dealing with India's maritime security. Towards this agenda, the Phase II of the Coastal Security Scheme has been finalized wherein 131 police stations are proposed to be established in the coastal areas of the country.

. Naxalism

At a meeting organized by India's Intelligence Bureau, the Prime Minister of India expressed great concern over the naxal violence in India by categorizing it as the 'gravest internal security threat' and also referring to the need for a more professional and welltrained, technologically sound police force to combat this threat . The different States impacted by naxal violence in India are realizing the interState ramifications of naxalite activities and the need for inter-State coordination and cooperation. Issues of good governance, development, and public awareness are increasingly becoming essential in dealing with naxalite activities, in addition to core policing requirements.

The Government has taken certain coordinated action steps in this regard including creation of an effective policing mechanism in the impacted States, ensuring adequate provisions for equipment, , training, and other supporting facilities for State police forces, strengthening of the State intelligence set-ups, establishment of Counter Insurgency and Anti-Terrorist (CIAT) Schools to impart specialized training to State police personnel in respect of counter insurgency, jungle warfare and terrorism in Assam, Bihar, Chhattisgarh, Orissa and Jharkhand. Furthermore, the central Government has allocated an amount of INR 515 crore in 2008-09 for Modernization of State Police Forces (MPF) scheme with the entire amount having been released to the 9 affected States of Andhra Pradesh, Bihar, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Madhya Pradesh, Maharashtra, Orissa, Uttar Pradesh and 10 West Bengal .

An integrated approach aimed at relatively more affected areas has been adopted, including programs for special attention on planning, implementation and monitoring of development schemes in 34 naxal violence affected districts in 8 States. Under a similar initiative, called the Backward Districts Initiative, an amount of INR 45 crore per district had been allocated on a nonlapsable basis to focus on integrated development in 147 naxal violence 10 impacted districts.

. Intelligence and Cyber Crime

Intelligence gathering and leveraging the collected information adequately to pre-empt any terrorist or related undesirable activity is central to the efforts targeted towards Homeland Security of the country. Intelligence in internal security management has various components like intelligence collection within India's frontiers, transborder intelligence collection and the use of critical technology for the collection of intelligence specifically required for the internal security management.

India's efforts at intelligence gathering are inadequate with a plethora of agencies involved in this activity without any single control and coordination authority to manage the intelligence gathering process. Also, intelligence gathering at the State police levels is in a nascent stage with only about 1-1.5 percent of the total police force performing intelligence duties . Intelligence gathering needs to be enlarged, coordinated and managed through modern communication and analysis tools and technologies.

. Critical infrastructure protection

Critical infrastructure of a country includes public and private assets that are of strategic importance to the economic, political or security interests of the country and include infrastructure such as airports, industrial installations, national monuments, energy supply pipelines, nuclear and conventional power plants, etc. Besides airports, mass transportation and maritime security the other key segments for Homeland Security market also include large events such as the upcoming Commonwealth Games, border security and first responders.

India's increasing economic power is reflected through mega projects like the Commonwealth Games 2010, BandraWorli Sea Link, the T3 International Terminal of the Indira Gandhi International Airport at Delhi, etc, which are increasingly becoming susceptible to external threats. Such infrastructure is more susceptible to terrorist attacks given its importance to the larger nation.

Protection of such infrastructure from tangible and cyber threats requires specific focus and is an essential element of the Homeland Security of the country. There is an immediate requirement for conducting a National Risk Assessment to identify and map the critical assets of the country on the basis of a systematic analysis to assess the overall risk and vulnerability of the assets to any threats. The next step will be the development and maintenance of adequate counter-measures and emergency plans, including programs for providing awareness training to the security staff of such facilities.

The Central Industrial Security Force (CISF), which is an elite force protecting the critical infrastructure of the country, was created to provide security cover to key industrial infrastructure units including nuclear power plants, State installations, refineries, ports, etc. However, the major challenge before the authorities is to preempt any such attacks and to have effective monitoring systems that can help in the identification of potential threats to the critical infrastructure of the country. This requires a dedicated focus in terms of special equipment, trained manpower and coordinated intelligence gathering about any potential threats. In this context, a distinct aspect of critical infrastructure protection is a pressing need for public-private partnership, especially since most critical infrastructure is in the hands of private players even though the protection of these assets is still perceived to be the responsibility of the Government. Possible areas where private sector can complement the Governments skills and resources in protecting critical national infrastructure include intelligence analysis to transform information into actionable knowledge, implementation of new information technology tools and communication processes, emergency management and response planning and providing industry specific recommendations for protecting critical national infrastructure.

. Impact of inadequate focus on Homeland Security

An inadequate focus on the Homeland Security of the country can have multidimensional impact. Besides the potentially significant risk to the homeland and its citizens, it can have a considerable economic impact manifested in lower credit ratings for the country, negative branding through travel advisories impacting the tourism and hospitality sectors, portrayal of the country as an unsafe place for business and the consequent reduction in foreign investment. A related facet of this is the capital loss pertaining to loss of human life, damage to critical infrastructure such as rail and road networks and to places that are of high heritage value and national significance. An inadequate focus on Homeland Security might also have a psychological impact by creating an environment of high uncertainty and fear in the minds of citizens, which adversely impacts the overall quality of life of the citizens. :ranger:

Given such potential damages, Homeland Security is increasingly becoming critical to the overall security of the country. This is witnessed through a growing focus on this sector by the Government of India manifested through larger budgets and attempts to create a structured approach to Homeland Security of India. Globally, the private sector has played a significant role in meeting the Homeland Security requirements in various countries across the world, and this model is now being replicated in India with the industry taking note of the requirements of this sector and perceiving this as a potential growth opportunity. However, given the lack of specific focus through a dedicated representative industry segment and the disorganized nature of Homeland Security apparatus in India, there is a lack of clarity regarding the extent of opportunity in this sector and specifically the approach and strategy to be adopted towards contributing to the cause in a constructive and significant manner.

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India's homeland security market is expected to be worth $16 billion by 2018

AHMEDABAD: India's homeland security market is expected to be worth $16 billion by 2018, said a industry data. Indian market is growing at 35% against 7% globally.

India's share in global expenditure in the sector is also expected to rise to 6% by 2020 from 3.6% now. Government constitutes about 30% of the sectoral spend within the country. "The homeland security mostly covers threats like intrusion prevention and access denial, while solutions include surveillance, radio frequency identification," said Pankaj Jain, project director of Indian Fire and Security ( IFSEC) India exhibition every year.

The forthcoming exhibition will be held during November 1-3, at Noida. "Considering the vulnerability of public and corporates, it is necessary to safeguard our banks, offices, hotels, hospitals, airports, railway stations as well as all critical establishments. Of late, we have seen a rise in awareness amongst the corporates and governments," said Jain.

India's homeland security market is pegged at $1 billion, of which 70% is imports dominated by US, UK, Germany, Taiwan, Japan, China and Israel. It is slated to rise to $16 billion by 2016.

Government constitutes 30% of the total spend for security. Now companies from abroad are increasingly looking at India to sell their products.

Many Indian companies are also entering into joint ventures and transfer of technology agreements with the foreign companies to manufacture products locally. "Of late, the equipments are now based on Internet Protocol (IP) rather than analog to enable real time surveillance," added Jain

India's homeland security market is expected to be worth $16 billion by 2018 - Economic Times

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For Rs 6 lakh crore (USD 100 billion)Indian armed forces set to acquire Star Wars-like weapons

Seeking to prepare itself for futuristic warfare of the kind seen in the iconic and sensational Star Wars movies, Indian armed forces are planning to spend around Rs 6 lakh crore to get hi-tech equipment such as robots for combat roles, precision-guided missiles and watch-dog satellites, according to a Defence Ministry document. :thumb:

In the document 'Technology and Capability Roadmap' for the armed forces for next 15 years, Defence Minister A K Antony has also made it clear that his department will make these acquisitions in a holistic manner "without compromising transparency, fairness and probity at any level."

"In the next 15 years, Indian forces are poised for major modernisation... The volumes are high and the financial outlays large. There is substantial scope in the process for Indian industry to harness this market around USD 100 billion (Rs six lakh crore) to develop indigenous capability; especially in high technology areas," it said. The TCR has been provided by the Ministry as a step to provide a roadmap to the private and public sector indigenous industry about the requirements of the armed forces so that they can gear up themselves to provide the solutions.

"The document is being put up in the public domain to establish a level playing field for the Indian defence industry, both public and private sector," the Ministry said. In the field of space, the TCR says the armed forces would require "watchdog satellites" to guard against the anti-satellite weapons, which have been developed by China.

"With the advent of anti-satellite weapons (ASAT) a concept of `watchdog satellites to guard other satellites could also be explored," it said.The armed forces are also turning eco-friendly and have sought "eco-friendly solar, wind and electric power and propulsion systems which are capable of lowering fuel consumption, reduce pollution and better energy efficient while helping vessels to operate quietly." Seeking artificial warriors on field, the TCR said for winning land battles, the Army would need "Robots to assist troops in combat for tasks such as surveillance, reconnaissance, anti mine and anti IED role, urban area combat and casualty extraction."

To deal with the threat of enemy ballistic missiles, the 45-page TCR says a capability called Joint Area Missile Defence would be required for air defence. "It will use air defence assets of the three services in conjunction with the surveillance sensors of other agencies to detect, track, acquire and destroy incoming theatre ballistic and cruise missiles," it said. Seeking capabilities to fight the menace of terrorism, the TCR said capabilities will have to to be developed to oppose terrorism throughout the threat spectrum including anti-terrorism and counter-terrorism.

"It includes protection of personnel, assault, explosives detection and disposal, investigative sciences and forensics, physical security and protection of infrastructure and surveillance and collection. Successful execution of the wide range of R&D efforts will greatly improve the capability of the soldier," it said. The document, which is similar to a previous document issued in 2010, also envisages procurement of modern combat aircraft, combat drones, unmanned underwater systems, space-based capability, anti-submarine weapons launched from air, several types of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles and training tools for the forces in next 15 years. :thumb:

For Rs 6 lakh crore, Indian armed forces set to acquire Star Wars-like weapons - Indian Express
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Establishing Homeland Security as a National Priority

we need a strong homeland security system, which would link all the government's systems of the country to achieve the common goals. and i have some more ideas in this regard, along with the goals/mission/vision etc Indian systems already have, for their purpose to establish a proper homeland security :thumb:

1st; a common civilian must have at least 2 identity card, while walking on the streets. Youth Literacy Rate of India would touch 90% by this year, and it means that the common civilians are responsible to to declare their identity at any time, whatever requested by a police man. along with Voter ID card, a civilian must be able to show at least one more ID, either Pan card/ DL/ birth certificate, to avoid going to police custody for a while, until he/she manage to show at least 2 IDs....

2nd; every person taking birth must have a birth certificate. and not having the same must bring punishment for the parents of that certain kid taking birth.

3rd; India needs to make its systems more "EFFECTIVE" now to face the global challenges, which won't be handicapped by any political party..... something like, a proper Home Land Security with bringing the different departments together to achieve the common goal, which would be linked with each others, no matter which party comes in power. and hence the whole system would then work as a single system to ensure the security of the nation as whole. an EFFECTIVE enough system which may put any person on the trial, if he/she doesn't do his/her honestly, violate laws while his employment for personal benefits. and example of Mr PVN Rao must be given to all those who may come in power, of any party :india:
(and why not, its not just India but we have example of many other Democratic countries where there was no law to defend the corrupts PM/President, when they didn't do their duty honestly. whether former pres of US, Mr B.Clinton who could hardly avoid punishment for having sex with his secretory during working hour, former Indonesian Pres Mr Suharto was sent to jail for corruption, former Italian PM was also sent behind the bars last year, bla bla.)

4th; we need a system which would be 'primarily' meant to defend those people who are building the nations, mainly top businessmen/ celebrities and other influential people, who have influence on the society to an extent.... and the concept behind it, "there is no meaning to sacrifice lives of our soldiers on the border if we can't defend those who are building the nation. who have influence on the society to an extent" :disagree:

for example of top business people/ billionaires, who are billionaires not because they have money in pocket, but they billionaires in terms of the industries they have, which provides employments, generate high taxes on the their businesses. the tax revenue which the government use for helping common people/ build infrastructure. their industries also introduce new technologies to improve overall life of common Indian civilians this way. (for example, how cheap mobile service has changed life of common people to an extent.). i even favor a Cabinate level security for the top 50+ businessmen of India. (while hoping that these businessmen may afford to pay for the expanses of their security too, if the government ask.) and I would like to see its start from the gentleman as below :india:

Have already given 25% of my wealth to charity: Azim Premji, Wipro - Economic Times
//articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-04-19/news/38674344_1_azim-premji-foundation-giving-pledge-philanthropy
similarly we need a reasonable level of security for other businessmen, influential people of India, who have enough influence on the society, and hence they must be defended by the systems of Indian society too. we won't reach a day when our these honored businessmen/celebraties/other influential people may become toys on the hands of those who may then use these people against Indian society itself :disagree:

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how r we going to afford it:troll:
I think, the businessmen may themselves pay for the expanses, if the government ask. while it may be little expansive for the lower order businessmen/celebrities etc, so it would be negotiated :thumb:

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Are you saying what I think you are saying? Separate laws for the rich and the poor?
a very fair question and I appreciate your contribution in this thread. from here, could you please let us know, what good you find in this post which is about giving special status to those people who are building this country? I mean, do you find few good things in my post, what exactly I meant to say here?

(there is a difference between Arts and Science and when we deal with the Arts, if we lose something on the one aspect then we gain on other side at the same time. thats true.....)

from here, please check this news as below and make a comment on it. why the 'would be' largest selling car of India, the cheapest car, the NANO's manufacturer preferred to move to Gujarat from West Bengal? while even Kolkatta, one of the 4 metro, is located in this state? what exactly the Gujarat provides to the businessmen/influential people/ celebrities, which has very high growth rate in India even if it already has high base of income, but still its growth rate is very high due to high level of industrialization, and hence generating more taxes, employment, prosperity, new technologies this way????

hence here, how exactly West Bengal's government is good for its people, while not helping those businessmen who may bring prosperity to this state???????
After a controversial stay in West Bengal, Tata Motor's on Tuesday (October 7) shifted their Rs one-lakh car Nano project to Sanand near Ahmedabad at an investment of Rs 2,000 crore, declaring that efforts will be made to roll out the world's cheapest car from a make-shift plant to meet the deadline. :tsk:

Tata said the company had a great deal of urgency in having a new location and was driven by the reputation of the state. :wave:
:meeting:

Ratan Tata announces Nano plant in Gujarat-Business-TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos
 

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Establishing Homeland Security as a National Priority

we need a strong homeland security system, which would link all the government's systems of the country to achieve the common goals. and i have some more ideas in this regard, along with the goals/mission/vision etc Indian systems already have, for their purpose to establish a proper homeland security :thumb:

1st; a common civilian must have at least 2 identity card, while walking on the streets. Youth Literacy Rate of India would touch 90% by this year, and it means that the common civilians are responsible to to declare their identity at any time, whatever requested by a police man. along with Voter ID card, a civilian must be able to show at least one more ID, either Pan card/ DL/ birth certificate, to avoid going to police custody for a while, until he/she manage to show at least 2 IDs....

2nd; every person taking birth must have a birth certificate. and not having the same must bring punishment for the parents of that certain kid taking birth.

3rd; India needs to make its systems more "EFFECTIVE" now to face the global challenges, which won't be handicapped by any political party..... something like, a proper Home Land Security with bringing the different departments together to achieve the common goal, which would be linked with each others, no matter which party comes in power. and hence the whole system would then work as a single system to ensure the security of the nation as whole. an EFFECTIVE enough system which may put any person on the trial, if he/she doesn't do his/her honestly, violate laws while his employment for personal benefits. and example of Mr PVN Rao must be given to all those who may come in power, of any party :india:
(and why not, its not just India but we have example of many other Democratic countries where there was no law to defend the corrupts PM/President, when they didn't do their duty honestly. whether former pres of US, Mr B.Clinton who could hardly avoid punishment for having sex with his secretory during working hour, former Indonesian Pres Mr Suharto was sent to jail for corruption, former Italian PM was also sent behind the bars last year, bla bla.)

4th; we need a system which would be 'primarily' meant to defend those people who are building the nations, mainly top businessmen/ celebrities and other influential people, who have influence on the society to an extent.... and the concept behind it, "there is no meaning to sacrifice lives of our soldiers on the border if we can't defend those who are building the nation. who have influence on the society to an extent" :disagree:

for example of top business people/ billionaires, who are billionaires not because they have money in pocket, but they billionaires in terms of the industries they have, which provides employments, generate high taxes on the their businesses. the tax revenue which the government use for helping common people/ build infrastructure. their industries also introduce new technologies to improve overall life of common Indian civilians this way. (for example, how cheap mobile service has changed life of common people to an extent.). i even favor a Cabinate level security for the top 50+ businessmen of India. (while hoping that these businessmen may afford to pay for the expanses of their security too, if the government ask.) and I would like to see its start from the gentleman as below :india:

Have already given 25% of my wealth to charity: Azim Premji, Wipro - Economic Times
//articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-04-19/news/38674344_1_azim-premji-foundation-giving-pledge-philanthropy
similarly we need a reasonable level of security for other businessmen, influential people of India, who have enough influence on the society, and hence they must be defended by the systems of Indian society too. we won't reach a day when our these honored businessmen/celebraties/other influential people may become toys on the hands of those who may then use these people against Indian society itself :disagree:

=>
how r we going to afford it:troll:
I think, the businessmen may themselves pay for the expanses, if the government ask. while it may be little expansive for the lower order businessmen/celebrities etc, so it would be negotiated :thumb:

=>
Are you saying what I think you are saying? Separate laws for the rich and the poor?
a very fair question and I appreciate your contribution in this thread. from here, could you please let us know, what good you find in this post which is about giving special status to those people who are building this country? I mean, do you find few good things in my post, what exactly I meant to say here?

(there is a difference between Arts and Science and when we deal with the Arts, if we lose something on the one aspect then we gain on other side at the same time. thats true.....)

from here, please check this news as below and make a comment on it. why the 'would be' largest selling car of India, the cheapest car, the NANO's manufacturer preferred to move to Gujarat from West Bengal? while even Kolkatta, one of the 4 metro, is located in this state? what exactly the Gujarat provides to the businessmen/influential people/ celebrities, which has very high growth rate in India even if it already has high base of income, but still its growth rate is very high due to high level of industrialization, and hence generating more taxes, employment, prosperity, new technologies this way????

hence here, how exactly West Bengal's government is good for its people, while not helping those businessmen who may bring prosperity to this state???????
After a controversial stay in West Bengal, Tata Motor's on Tuesday (October 7) shifted their Rs one-lakh car Nano project to Sanand near Ahmedabad at an investment of Rs 2,000 crore, declaring that efforts will be made to roll out the world's cheapest car from a make-shift plant to meet the deadline. :tsk:

Tata said the company had a great deal of urgency in having a new location and was driven by the reputation of the state. :wave:
:meeting:

Ratan Tata announces Nano plant in Gujarat-Business-TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos
 
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We Need a Stronger and "Effective" Systems of India

the System, which can't be handicapped by either Politicians or Bureacrats

Few Key Points on this topic may be summarized as below: :thumb:


1st; Ministers and Bureaucrats/ Diplomats are only the "FACES" of the Society and their departments

They are only the 'paid' servants for the purpose of their job

my above post has a simple meaning that, "President-PM-Ministers, including bureaucrats/diplomats are nothing but the paid servants to serve the people who feed them by taxes. they are only the 'faces' of the society-departments, they belong to, and for the purpose to serve the people who have appointed them, the common civilians........"

and the time any of the 'face' of their concerned departments doesn't do his/her work honestly, he/she would be straight kicked, punished for violating the concerning laws related to his/her job, no matter which party comes in power, and who is the PM-President-Minister-Secretary etc.

India needs to give more and more strength to its systems, which would be more linked with each others to achieve the common goal, and these 'faces' are responsible to make sure that they represent the 'systems' which is running properly, only. the systems which are for the purpose to serve the common public of India, for what these 'FACES' receive salaries.


2nd; Ministers-Bureaucrats ('FACES') may only represent the Systems/ the concerning departments

They are responsible to make sure that the Systems are running Properly, 'ONLY'

Minister-Bureaucrats having Arts Subjects in IAS exams-Politics can't interfere in any of the professional departments, related to engineering-economics-finance-strategic issues-laws-defence-trade-foreign relations etc :nono:

the 'FACES' of a country, Ministers/Bureaucrats, who mainly have Arts Studies, are only the paid servants who do their jobs in return of the salaries they receive from the Tax Payers of a country, including India. and this also means that they will be brought on punishment if they will misuse government resources for their personal benefits ..... Mr N.Rao would be taken as an example for these new faces to confirm that even being Prime Minister is not enough to avoid punishment, if they fails to comply with the laws, if they fails to do their jobs honestly, for what these ministers/bureaucrats receive salaries from the tax money of Indian civilians

whether its MMS or Modi, we need a system which may put any person on trial, no matter which position he/she holds. we have example of many democratic countries where no laws could defend the corrupt president/PMs when they failed to do their job with honesty. along with Mr PVN Rao, we have many examples like Mr Suharto of Indonesia, just a former Italian PM was sent to jail, Mr B.Clinton could hardly avoided imprisonment for having sex with his secretary during office time......

having a high position doesn't mean that you now own that whole department/ organization to sell it for the personal benefits :nono:

=> Few People can't be the reasons for destruction of a country of 1.3billion people :nono:. the letter of Father of Nation of India, while talking to the second father of nation Netaji SC Bose, must be taken as an example to teach a lesson to these new leaders who always want to use the systems of India to serve their personal interests....

Birla House,
New Delhi,
2-4-1939

My dear Subhash,

My prestige does not count. It has an independent value of its own. When my motive is suspected or my policy or programme rejected by the country, the prestige must go. India will rise and fall by the quality of the sum total of her many millions. :india:.

Individuals, however high they may be, are of no account except in so far as they represent the many millions.
:wave:

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India needs "Functioning/Effective Systems" to avoid attacks on the individuals

I think the time has come when government agencies of India would start doing practice of my above post#6. while keeping the Systems on front and keep faces down, to handle the national interests with full strength as whole :thumb:

(which will at least avoid attacks on the individuals, while targeting the national interests....... and don't forget, defending the patriots is more important than keeping traitors safe to keep pleasing/ making others happy anyhow...... and practicing a 'Functioning Systems' as whole, of different departments for different national concerns, will obviously help the Patriots to make it work properly 'as whole', no matter how many 'holes' they have got already.)
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NEW DELHI: Putting to rest the reservations of the ministries of home affairs and external affairs, India on Wednesday allowed visa-on-arrival facility for tourists from 180 countries, including US, UK, China, UAE and Bangladesh. The move is expected to give a major boost to tourism in the country.

However, tourists from eight "prior reference" countries - Pakistan, Sudan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Nigeria, Somalia and Sri Lanka - will continue to apply for visa through embassy.
There seems to be a difference in reporting..see this:


so is China included in the relaxations or not? imo they should not, especially given recent evidence about them harbouring the ulfa leader and such.

From this it seems two of the three departments in the meeting - Home ministry, and the external affairs were against this, but the pmo pushed this forward. Seems like mms at work again, I've read a lot about how he constantly interferes in foreign policy, implementing what certain other countries want, against the advice of specific department, the problem with this guy is he seems to be over assertive at the wrong areas, at the wrong time while being completely silent on other issues.

From the David Headley issue it's clear that people from U.S cant be trusted ,so you make things even easier for them? And then Bangladesh...while the govt there is doing well, there are still many radical elements at play, with backing from external agencies....well some may say visa restrictions never applied to b'deshis visiting here :p

No reciprocity, valid concerns from home ministry....pushed through because of mms, yup, pretty terrible. I'm sure some countries could be allowed, but not a blanket of 180.

Visa on Arrival For Bangladeshis in India

and how Bangladesh is included?

this Modi always emerged, looks like a spy of Bangladesh, to destroy this country, finally. who looks like having enough support from US/UK too in this regard.....

and here, how this man can allow visa on arrival for Bangladeshis until US/UK/Australia/Canada themselves haven't allowed these shiits of Bangladesh in their their homeland? while we have been demanding even Permanent Visa on Arrival for Bangladeshis in US/UK, then how this Bangladeshi born spy of US/UK doing this in India, until US/UK themselves don't want the same?




Terrible move. In one swoop, they made the OCI/PIO pretty much meaningless. As for reciprocity, why would the US or UK etc want to open their gates to an immigrant flood from India? Similarly, India will be now saddled with millions of refugees from even poorer countries (Somalia, Bangladesh, et al).

A historic move or a hysterical one? :hmm:

whats the credibility of this news?

it would be for the few selected countries only, how can you have visa on arrival to whole world, including for those neighbors who will only use this facility against this country?

this man Modi always looks working for the enemies of this country? :tsk:
 

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sir, how much do we need to kill this man, Modi, how many around him, mainly guards?????

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Great, so all the Birmingham Pakis can enter India as terrorists.
how much is required to kill this N.Modi, a Bangladeshi born spy of US/UK, how far is he found from one bullet, on the right place? dont we have even one guard around him for this purpose?
 
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Afghanistan worst place in the world for women, but India in top five

A woman works at a sunflower field at Kunwarpur village, east of Allahabad, India. Her country has been ranked the fourth worst in the world for women.

Targeted violence against female public officials, dismal healthcare and desperate poverty make Afghanistan the world's most dangerous country in which to be born a woman, according to a global survey released on Wednesday.

The Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), Pakistan, India and Somalia feature in descending order after Afghanistan in the list of the five worst states, the poll among gender experts shows.

The appearance of India, a country rapidly developing into an economic super-power, was unexpected. It is ranked as extremely hazardous because of the subcontinent's high level of female infanticide and sex trafficking.

Others were less surprised to be on the list. Informed about her country's inclusion, Somalia's women's minister, Maryan Qasim, responded: "I thought Somalia would be first on the list, not fifth."

The survey has been compiled by the Thomson Reuters Foundation to mark the launch of a website, TrustLaw Woman, aimed at providing free legal advice for women's groups around the world.

High maternal mortality rates, limited access to doctors and a "near total lack of economic rights" render Afghanistan such a threat to its female inhabitants. "Continuing conflict, Nato airstrikes and cultural practices combine to make Afghanistan a very dangerous place for women," said Antonella Notari, head of Women Change Makers, a group that supports women social entrepreneurs around the world.

"Women who do attempt to speak out or take on public roles that challenge ingrained gender stereotypes of what is acceptable for women to do or not, such as working as policewomen or news broadcasters, are often intimidated or killed."

The "staggering levels of sexual violence" in the lawless east of the DRC account for its second place in the list. One recent US study claimed that more than 400,000 women are raped there each year. The UN has called Congo the rape capital of the world.

"Rights activists say militia groups and soldiers target all ages, including girls as young as three and elderly women," the survey reports, "They are gang raped, raped with bayonets and some have guns shot into their vaginas."

Pakistan is ranked third on the basis of cultural, tribal and religious practices harmful to women. "These include acid attacks, child and forced marriage and punishment or retribution by stoning or other physical abuse," the poll finds.

[theguardian.com/world/2011/jun/15/worst-place-women-afghanistan-india]Afghanistan worst place in the world for women, but India in top five | World news | The Guardian[/url]
sir, here its a simple case, "the society where criterion of getting success in life isn't education, people are then more willing to commit crimes to go high in life/ have luxury in life." the very first conclusion of crime rate comparison among the above 3 democratic countries......
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British's Slave Mentality

sir, this type of news by British media only confirm their 'slave mentality'. India type emerging economy growing with such a healthy pace and interfering in this country only state Slave Mentality of British and British origins of US/Canada/Australia etc. that is, they will either make slaves or will become slaves, but certainly they can't build their society from start again :wave:

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Further to the above statement, i prepared a post as below too, which may have a place here too, i think :thumb:

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Indian Democracy and it Values, we Proud on

The meaning of Independence India got in 1947

in short i may say,

"as part of our freedom, there is no law in India which makes difference among the people based on religion/ race/ language/ state etc, there is no super human like British anymore in India, and now we pay taxes to that Indian government which use it for the purpose to help the people based in India, not for the WW1 and WW2 to help Britain. with providing Equal Rights to all and more opportunities to the weak part of Indian society like Dalits/ Women, in terms of reservations in jobs/competitive exams and that's fair. at the same time we proud to say that we had many minorities Presidents/ PMs/ Chief Ministers/ Governors/ Chief Justice/ IAS topper/ Bollywood superstar/ Cricket Team Captain etc, and we proud to say that we got this type of country from our elders who fought for our freedom and we are responsible to give the same type of country to our coming generation too. we just can't compromise our "Independence" for any reason. and we have to defend our Independence from any type of external threat, which we are currently facing in terms of Sectarian War mainly in North East, from the Bangladeshi infiltration..."
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"We now pay tax to that Indian government which use the tax money to help the people based in India itself, develop infrastructure in India to improve life of the people based in India, while before that we were paying tax to that British Government to help them in their wars. Mr Gandhi struggled to have Industries in India, who may then provide jobs to Indians and hence pay taxes to Indian government for the purpose to use this tax for the people based in India. and yes we have got that 'freedom', and trying to improve. and we now proud to say that we have made a place where the most deserving people get higher success, regardless in which family they took birth, (of any religion/ race/ language/state etc). and we hope India will become one of the best place to live by using their talent/ knowledge this way" :india:

the above statement used the word "super human British" before 1947, frequent use of "freedom", "independence", as i prepared my above statement on 15th August last year........ the above statement has a clear sense to demonstrate "democratic structure" of India on the world platform, in terms of "Equal Rights" for all, "more opportunities" for weak part of society like Women/Schedule Caste in different exams/ jobs, as we have. with putting concern over the growing threats of "Sectarian Wars" in north east region due to Bangladeshi Infiltration. here, Freedom/ Independence of India is defined in terms of "Non-Religious Foundation" of Indian Democracy of Hindu Majority, and our Independence/ Freedom has the main threats from 'Sectarian Wars', fueled and funded by rogue neighbors of India......
 

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@santosh10, the Modi government is approaching each issue in a positive frame of mind. This is necessary as we live in a democracy where we have to bring people on-board. Our political system is different from China or Pakistan even.

India wants to focus on development and security at the same time while giving preference to development.

Mr Modi believes that fast developmnent of India is best recipe for increasing security of the State.

I think we cannot containerize India. It is not possible to seal India from neighboring States. :tsk: If Bangladesh is in problem, that problem will spill over into India. It is necessary for India to have influence in Bangladesh, as well aid Bangladesh in its development.

India has to play big role in South Asia. There is no option.

We have to view China's developmental assistance positively (though there may be negative security aspects), as economic development of the region is net positive for India.

We cannot be obsessed with only security issues. This kind of policy simply does not work.

look, what we can do and can't do, its a national issue, and security is the first priority of India, the nation.

we dont want shiits from these rogue neighbors of India, but we welcome any country of world, whether US or UK, who offer Visa on Arrival for Bangladeshi infiltrators, to reduce our security burdens :thumb:

we can defend ourselves, its true :india:


International Laws: as per the International laws, which favor to shoot down/destroy any incoming object/person coming towards the International border before reach at a certain distance, which doesn't stop after few warnings. as it may have destructive materials which may be harmful to the country, of concern. and once it reach a certain distance even after few warnings, the defending country is allowed to use whatever arms it has, to defend itself.

and yes, we as a nation can well destroy/remove any incoming threats to our society :india:

with that, we favor direct citizenship for the Bangladeshi and Pakistani people for US and its allies, if they want this in their country. but we dont want the shiits :wave:

IM growing stronger in northeast, Bangladesh

NEW DELHI: Even as National Investigation Agency (NIA) has linked the Bodh Gaya blasts to Assam, intelligence agencies have found that Indian Mujahideen (IM) may have grown strong footprints in the north-east and Bangladesh. In fact, agencies have credible information that IM played a significant role in providing relief to displaced Muslims in the June 2012 Bodo-Muslim riots in Assam. :ranger:

Sources said during the 2012 strife, IM operatives used the network of certain mosques to mobilize funds from across the Hindi heartland and certain other areas to Assam to help victims from the minority community.

"There are reports of them having developed contacts with some religious groups in Assam and their activity has been significant in areas such as Dhubri. They have also developed footprints in Sylhet region of Bangladesh and are suspected to have developed pockets of influence in Myanmar-Bangladesh border region through LeT," said an intelligence official. :ranger:

"The objective of participating in relief operations in Assam seemed to be aimed at creation of an IM constitution and radicalization of Muslim youth at the wrong end of justice in the state," he added.

Notably, NIA investigations have found that the Lotus brand clocks used in the Bodh Gaya blasts were bought from a shop in Assam. Investigations also point out that these clocks were bought about a year before the blasts. That was precisely the time that riots broke out in Assam and relief operations were underway.

Arrested IM operatives Syed Maqbool and Imran Khan had revealed to investigating agencies in October last year that Bodh Gaya was one of the targets of IM to avenge atrocities on Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar. Though these developments point to an IM hand behind the July 7 blasts in Bodh Gaya, agencies say it could be a confluence of different forces including disaffected Rohingya Muslim groups which have been on the radar of groups such as LeT for recruitment.

Significantly, the Rakhine Buddhist-Rohingya Muslim confrontation of last year, which has been the trigger for a larger Buddhist-Muslim confrontation in several parts of Asia, had coincided with the Bodo-Muslim confrontation in lower Assam.

Intelligence agencies had then expressed fear that Rohingya refugees could add another insurgency to an already volatile mix of Assam. It was also said that the outflow of Rohingya refugees could lead to stronger contacts between Myanmar Muslims and regional Islamist militants. Such militants could recruit disaffected Rohingyas to their own cause.

"It is difficult to pinpoint any group at the moment as several forces have motive to harm Buddhists or their symbols. Though we have found that 13 clocks were bought from a shop in Assam, we cannot yet be sure if they were the same clocks used in the 13 bombs placed in the Bodh Gaya temple complex. We have also found evidence of some 50 Lotus clocks bought from another place. Why would a bomber buy exactly 13 clocks for 13 bombs? Why not more for contingency," asked an NIA officer.

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IM growing stronger in northeast, Bangladesh - The Times of India
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BSF gives list of 66 terror camps to Bangladesh
March 09, 2014

Shillong: The BSF has handed over a list of 66 camps of north-east insurgents to the Border Guard Bangladesh, seeking actions against them.

"We have requested our counterparts in Bangladesh for cooperation in dismantling the camps of insurgents from the region. We have handed over a list of 66 camps that exist in Bangladesh," Sudhir Kumar Srivastava, IG, BSF Assam Frontier, told reporters here on Sunday. :ranger:

The list was handed over at the 3-day bi-annual Inspector General level meeting of border management and coordination held from March 6 at the headquarters of Meghalaya Frontier of the BSF here.

The camps belonged to ULFA and NDFB (anti-talks) of Assam, PLA and KYKL of Manipur, NSCN (IM) of Nagaland besides those of the Tripura's NLFT and Meghalaya's HNLC and ANVC-B, the BSF official said.

Brig General HabibulKarim, Region Commander North East Region, who led a 20-member delegation from Bangladesh, had assured actions against those camps located all along the northern parts of Bangladesh, Srivastava said.

The inspectors general of Meghalaya, Assam, Tripura, Mizoram and Cachar frontiers of BSF officials attended the meeting along with an official representative of the Ministry of External Affairs.

"The meeting was held in a cordial atmosphere and discussed many issues like better border management, tackling smuggling of banned cough syrup Phensydyl and fake currency and reducing border crimes and dacoities," he said.

BSF also requested for early solution of disputes regarding erection of barbed wire fencing in some patches of the border, especially the single row fencing, he said.

Tripura, Meghalaya, Mizoram and Assam share a 1,880-km border with Bangladesh.

BSF gives list of 66 terror camps to Bangladesh | Zee News

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@Ray

I prepared a post in this regard as below, which may have a place here too, i think :thumb:


=> A Country is Responsible to Build Itself Only

we can only have better friendship/ trade relations with other nations, including our neighbors

I also discussed that its very simple to talk to the representatives of Pakistan/ Bangladesh, if you have fair intentions. India is responsible to build its own society, Chinese is for China and yes they have done the work to an extent, Brazilians are doing so too, and similarly Pakistan/ Bangladesh have to do little more to build their society.with respect to the level of population of Bangladesh, which is more than even the largest country of the world by area, Russia, no one would let them enter in their country straight away from the border, no one will offer them citizenship on arrival, and there is no need to invite destruction to this country only :nono:
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we have seen may minorities sitting on the border of India-Pakistan, also running from Bangladesh due to local riots/ Sectarian Wars, as discussed in the thread too, but we can hardly make 100 times request to our neighbors to have more sympathy for their minorities, who are badly suffered from Sectarian Wars there. but we mustn't let this problem come to India, definitely not :no: . we can only have good friendship/ trade with others, but we certainly can't interfere in other countries, nor they can do the same with India too.....

and with that, we always welcome all those countries who invite people from Bangladesh-Pakistan as India is already overly populated :thumb:


=> Our Freedom, The Independence We Got in 1947

and its all about our Freedom/ Independence we got in 1947, as discussed before. there was a time when we had "Super Human" as British, while now we have "Equal Rights" for all the people of India, with Equal Opportunities, regardless their religion/ race/ language/ state etc, along with providing more opportunities to the weak part of Indian Society like Schedule Caste and Female in different jobs/ exams, with scholarships for them only etc, and that's fair. we now pay tax to that Indian government which use the tax money to help the people based in India itself, develop infrastructure in India to improve life of the people based in India, while before that we were paying tax to those British to help them in their wars. Mr Gandhi struggled to have Industries in India, who may then provide jobs to Indians and hence pay taxes to Indian government for the purpose to use this tax revenue for the people based in India. and yes we have got that 'freedom', and trying to improve. and we now proud to say that we have made a place where the most deserving people get higher success, regardless in which family they took birth, (of any religion/ race/ language/state etc). and we hope India will become one of the best place to live by using their talent/ knowledge this way :india:

but we find Pakistan/ Bangladesh still on the same colonized state, where all the people of all the community don't have equal rights/ equal opportunities, highly violent and overly populated. but here again, we may hardly show our best wishes for them, but we certainly can't let India destroyed for any reason, whether secularism or anything else.... we may either request our neighbors to help their people who are running from there, or, we may hardly request rest of the world to invite them, but we certainly can't compromise with our 'freedom'/ 'independence' of India. :nono:
 
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Bengali Muslims (the Indian variety) have very little knowledge of Islam and that is my experience have interacted with them and discussed the religion.

Further more, Bengalis are religious internally and 'respect' by paying obeisance to any and every icon of God, be it a mazar, idol or a stone with vermilion painted.

Many a Muslim Bengali have been followers of Hindu Gods like Kazi Narul Islam, the famed port or Firoza Begum, the acclaimed singer.

Therefore, it is not surprising that they have 're-converted'.

Religion is no big deal in Bengal and that is why BJP is scuppering up a huge Muslim backing that has sent shivers down the self acclaimed champion of Muslims, Mamata Bannerjee.

and why exactly would India feed these people withni? why would we invite shiits from Bangladesh, 80% people affected by mal-nutrition, a member of LDCs who can't help itself without Humanitarian aid, and then they are coming to India :toilet:

but i would like to see the converties among the forward caste, or the "Gandhian" caste, like how second PM of India, Mr LB Shastri converted into Gandhian caste :india:



i just made a response to a Bangladeshi member on another forum as below, which may have a place here too :thumb:


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There is no illegal Bangladeshi in India half of whose population shit in the open. However there are a million illegal Indians working for us here. But we don't call them shits. We understand poverty,unemployment, insecurity of life and property, lack of education and healthcare drive them here.
they will be killed in India, similar to terrorists entering in other countries and dead on the border :thumb:


"Registered" Indians Working in Bangladesh, in numbers upto 10 to 40millions

there are evidence that all these "Jamaait Bangladesh" and "BNP" etc are working in behalf of their government itself, and the fund they get from those sources who have full support from the Bangladeshi government itself....

for example, we have news that there are around 5 to 40million "registered" Indians working in Bangladesh, check the news, and this happened because those Bangladeshi people are allowed to register themselves in Bangladesh as an Indian national, showing their Indian IDs.

and here the conspiracy stands, where we find full involvements by the Bangladeshi government to help these 20 to 40million false ID Bangladeshi workers to get into India in future...

and also, BSF has full experience of these False ID holders coming from Bangladesh, as a "registered Indians" working there :tsk:

Bangladesh, a member of LDCs like Somalia/Congo/Afghanistan, 80% population suffering from Malnutrition, over a third of their food import. and then we find Indians working there as "Registered" Indian workers, while holding IDs of Bihar and West Bengal, as per topic of this thread :facepalm:
 

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the Greatest Challenge Imposed on India, the Nation

False ID holders coming to India, fueled and funded by its rogue neighbors, is the biggest challenge on India at present. these false Id holders having Indian IDs are now representing India in India and overseas, in mass numbers in fact. i even know many Pakistani Muslims in Sikh turbans living in Canada too.....

and Azmal Kasab with Hindu type red stings on his hands as below is the best example we have right now.....

with the fact that you won't get anyone alive like Kasab next time, who attacked on local Shivaji Station just to organized Hindu-Muslim riots in Mumbai, even if they were holding Taj/Obrai hotels. these false ID holders of Pakistan and Bangladesh needs to be tackled as the first step of foreign policy. a man was caught otherwise India might be facing Hindu-Muslim riots similar to early 90s, and Indian government agencies won't have luxury to get someone alive next time, its also true.......

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"Indian" Muzahidin coming from Pakistan and Bangladesh, with Hindu Type Red Stings on hands like Azmal Kasab in the above picture, and then we find them having support in this regard in India itself, as per the news as below :facepalm:

The Secret Plot to Blame India

Jundal's arrest exposes Pak's agenda of turning 26/11 into an Indian conspiracy

On May 21, 2009, Ajmal Amir Kasab, the sole surviving Pakistani gunman from the 26/11 attack, was giving evidence in the court of Justice M.L. Tahaliyani at Mumbai's Arthur Road prison. Suddenly, he dropped a name. The person, he said, who had been their principal guide during the 60-hour operation from a control room in Karachi was Abu Jundal. No one in India had heard this name. Some were puzzled. Prosecution lawyer UjjwalNikam believed it was misinformation. And, as so often, the name Abu Jundal disappeared into a file.

Three years later, on June 21, 2012, Saudi Arabia bundled a wanted Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) operative, Syed Zabiuddin Ansari, 30, on a plane and sent him to New Delhi. Ansari had more than one alias; among them was Abu Jundal. When Kasab, from his Mumbai cell, heard that Abu Jundal had been deported by the Saudis and was a captive in India, he became, say his jailors, contemplative. The final pieces of a complex puzzle was coming together. Perhaps the most deceptive element in the exhaustive planning that had gone into the barbaric terrorist attack on Mumbai, conceived by the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and implemented by LeT, was a poisonous sting in the tail. When the horror that took 166 lives was over, the ISI wanted to leave behind enough false trails to implicate Indians for its most spectacular offensive against India.

It was a plot in which Ansari was a key protagonist. Born in Gevrai village in Maharashtra's Beed district, he completed his matriculation and did an Industrial Training Institute course to become an electrician. He became an anti-India radical after the 2002 Gujarat riots and went into the shadows of terrorism, first joining the Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI), then the LeT.

Ansari came on the police radar for another plot against India, in transporting a shipment of 43 kg of RDX, 16 AK-47 assault rifles and 50 hand grenades to Aurangabad in 2006. This shipment, meant for a terror attack, was intercepted by the Maharashtra police. Under pressure, Ansari contacted LeT and fled to Pakistan. His name entered the public domain when the Indian Government handed over a list of 50 Most Wanted Fugitives to the Pakistani authorities in March 2007.

But Ansari was proving to be an invaluable asset for the LeT. A highly committed operative, he knew the layout of the land and directed terrorists during the attack on Mumbai on November 26, 2008. He was involved in plotting the blast at Pune's German Bakery on February 13, 2010, that killed 17 people. But still, India did not know of his role in the 26/11 attack. The breakthrough came in May 2010 when the Delhi Police intercepted a call from an India-based terrorist, Ajmal, who was in touch with his Pakistani handler. Ajmal had planned an attack on foreigners during the Commonwealth Games in Delhi that year. He referred to his handler as Abu Jundal. The agencies tracked Jundal down inside Pakistan. He was using the alias of Riyasat Ali and shuttled between LeT's headquarters in Muridke, near Lahore, and Karachi. Then they made a stunning discovery. Jundal, Riyasat Ali and Zabiuddin Ansari were the same person. Now they waited for their target to travel out of Pakistan.

In early 2011, Pakistan issued a passport to him, and sent him to Saudi Arabia to recruit potential jihadis from Indian labourers on behalf of LeT. In the oil-rich port of Dammam, Ansari ran a small taxi rental business, posing as Pakistani national Riyasat Ali. The US intelligence alerted the Saudis about Ansari's terrorist links; Riyadh put him under surveillance. Meanwhile, New Delhi provided the Arab kingdom with proof that Riyasat Ali was Zabiuddin Ansari, anLeT operative and originally an Indian citizen. DNA samples of his relatives were sent to the Saudi government even as the home ministry provided evidence of Ansari's involvement in the Aurangabad arms haul case. Islamabad, fearing that his deportation could explode their ploy of deniability, still maintained that he was a Pakistani citizen and wanted him back.

But the Saudis interrogated Ansari and discovered that he was indeed anLeT operative. They had to take a call. Should they stand by their long-time ally Pakistan and let Ansari remain in Dammam or stand by international law and hand him over to India? The Kingdom chose India.

At a safe house of the Delhi Police's Special Cell in the Capital's Lodhi colony, Ansari has been telling his interrogators details of the secret plot at the core of the deadly attack on Mumbai. The intent was to land a double sucker punch. The first blow would devastate Mumbai. The second blow would, with just enough 'evidence', promote conspiracy theories among a section of media, opinion makers and political leaders that Hindu militants were behind the carnage.

The conspiracy theorists didn't let Pakistan down. "There is more to it than meets the eye," former Maharashtra chief minister Abdul RehmanAntulay said outside the LokSabha on December 18, 2008, about the death of Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad chief HemantKarkare. Karkare, Additional Commissioner Ashok Kamte and Inspector Vijay Salaskar had been ambushed and killed by AjmalKasab and his accomplice Ismail Khan on November 26, 2008. Karkare was probing the Malegaon blasts, which had resulted in the arrests of Hindu fringe elements such as Lt-Col Shrikant Prasad Purohit, SadhviPragya Thakur and Swami Aseemanand. Much of the Urdu press in India placed the blame for the attack on a diabolical Zionist-RSS nexus. Aziz Burney, group editor of leading Urdu newspaper RoznamaRashtriya Sahara blamed Hindu extremists. 'Is there any connection between the 26/11 attack and the Malegaon terror attack?' screamed a headline in the daily on November 29. 'This is a joint terror operation by SanghParivar and Mossad' said the Urdu Times of November 30, 2008. On December 5, RoznamaRashtriya Sahara ran another story: 'Who do you believe, Kasab the terrorist, or Karkare the martyr?' The paper hinted that the 26/11 attack was the work of Hindu fundamentalists and an elaborate plot to silence Karkare. 'Hindu terrorists are behind Mumbai attacks' said the AkhbareMashriq on December 6, 2008. In September 2009, a retired Maharashtra inspector-general of police, S.M. Mushrif, in his book Who Killed Karkare?, blamed the Intelligence Bureau and Hindu extremists for 26/11. :pakistan:

The conspiracy theory was also enthusiastically bought by politicians who wanted to mine the Muslim vote. On December 6, 2010, senior Congress leader and former Madhya Pradesh chief minister Digvijaya Singh released Burney's book 26/11-RSS kiSaazish, which accused the RSS of planning and executing the 26/11 attack. Five days later, Singh claimed that Karkare had rung him up hours before he was gunned down and complained about threats and pressure from radical Hindu groups.:tsk:

Ansari's confessions have further unravelled the secret Pakistani plot. He told interrogators of his role in teaching the 26/11 attackers Hindi. He would give them Hindi magazines and conduct conversations with them to sharpen their language skills before they left Karachi. He taught the attackers to blend into India-greet people with a proper 'namaste', maintain a low profile and be polite to women. There were other aspects to this smokescreen-the terrorists were made to wear sacred red threads bought for Rs.20 each by LeT scout David Coleman Headley from Mumbai's Siddhivinayak temple. All 10 terrorists carried fake identity cards of Arunodaya College, located in Hyderabad. They also took Hindu names. Ajmal Kasab became Sameer Choudhary and Ismail Khan was Naraish Verma. An LeT operative pretended to be 'Kharak Singh from India' and purchased Internet calling services from a US-based firm for $250 (Rupees10,000). The terrorists were told to communicate with their Karachi-based handlers using phones with Indian SIM cards.

The LeT, according to Ansari, monitored the attack from a specially created military-style command and control centre in Karachi, which was visited by LeT leaders and ISI officials. The control room had multiple television sets tuned into Indian TV channels, satellite telephones and computers. The handlers-Sajid Mir, Abu Al Qama, Abu Qahafa and Muzzammil-maintained constant communication with the 10 terrorists. Ansari tutored two of the LeT terrorists who had stormed into Nariman House on what to tell the Indian media in Hindi. He asked them to impersonate disgruntled Muslim youth. While doing this, he used a Hindi word prashaasan (administration). Indian intelligence agencies who tapped into the conversation were intrigued by the use of a Hindi word by a Pakistani controller.

Actually, Pakistan's web of deceit had begun imploding with the arrest of Headley, the LeT scout, by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation in June 2010. He told his Indian interrogators that the Pakistan Army and ISI were deeply involved in the 26/11 attack. He was in touch with two serving ISI officers, Major Iqbal and Major Samir Ali. Headley also made the chilling revelation that every senior LeT leader was "handled" by an ISI operative.

Ansari's interrogation brings fresh embarrassment for Pakistan. He has revealed the presence of Pakistan's ISI in the control room that the let set up to monitor and direct the attack. Ansari also clarified that the LeT has been unaffected by the arrest and ongoing trial of masterminds Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi and Zarar Shah at an anti-terrorist court in Rawalpindi's Adiala Jail. The organisation is still plotting fresh attacks against India. The LeT is widely believed to be a proxy arm of the Pakistan Army. Its battle against India spilled out from Jammu and Kashmir to the Indian mainland. It was designated a "Foreign Terrorist Organisation" by the US in 2001 but the Americans saw it as an international threat only after the 26/11 attack. In April this year, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced a $10 million (Rupees50 crore) bounty for information leading to the arrest and capture of LeT supremo Hafiz Saeed.

What rankles Pakistan is that Ansari was arrested and deported by its closest ally, Saudi Arabia. The kingdom wields almost undiminished power over Pakistan's army and political establishment. Through the deportation of Ansari, it has indicated that it will no longer provide protection for Pakistan's terrorists. Another suspected terrorist, Fasih Mehmood of the Indian Mujahideen, has been detained by Saudi Arabia for his role in the twin blasts outside Bangalore's Chinnaswamy stadium on April 17, 2010. He faces imminent deportation to India.

Now that the conspiracy has been exposed, some of its original theorists have backtracked. Digvijaya Singh says he had already clarified about his post-26/11 comments. "There is nothing more to say. I am happy that Home Minister P. Chidambaram has upped the ante on the terror issue and has pressed Pakistan to admit facts relating to Jundal having trained terrorists who attacked Mumbai," he told India Today. Antulay called his November 27 statement "a genuine mistake". "Multiple theories were floating in the aftermath of the attack, especially the one revolving around the death of Karkare," he said.

Antulay admitted, however, that the Hindu terror angle had momentarily deflected the nation's attention from the LeT. Mushrif now refuses to comment because the 26/11 case is subjudice but says he never questioned Pakistan's role in the attack. "If someone wants to comment on this issue he should approach the court and seek a reinvestigation," he said. Burney's newspaper ran a front-page apology on January 29, 2010. Burney himself is, however, unapologetic and says many questions on 26/11 remain unanswered. Film producer-director Mahesh Bhatt says there is no denying Pakistan's involvement but refuses to believe the theories being floated by Indian investigators now and calls for a debate. "After the 9/11 attack, people in the US raised questions on the identity of the attackers. Nobody was apologetic about their views," he says.

Kavita Karkare, the widow of Hemant, believes recent developments have vindicated her stand that the attack was not an inside job. "I have been saying since the beginning that no Hindus are involved in it. Many people floated stories for political reasons. They fell flat," she says.

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Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik.

Pakistan, though, remains unapologetic even as it tries to distance itself from its Indian collaborator. On June 27, just a week after Ansari's arrival in India, Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik hurriedly called for a press conference. "Now things are getting clarified," Malik said. "Who knows if there was a sting operation by somebody from India?" Malik, while defending his army and the ISI, was silent on how Ansari, an Indian citizen, managed to get a Pakistani passport and a National Identity Card for Overseas Pakistanis. In the run-up to the July 4-5 foreign secretary-level talks between India and Pakistan in New Delhi, an anonymous source in the Pakistan foreign office told the media that 40 Indians were involved in the Mumbai attack.

Clearly, one Ansari has not dampened the spirit of the world's most dangerous benefactor of jihad. Wait for the next round of conspiracy theories, written and sold by Islamabad.

- With Shantanu Guha Ray, Kiran Tare, Bhavna Vij-Aurora and Mohammad Waqa

//indiatoday.intoday.in/story/abu-jundal-arrest-kasab-mumbai-terror-attacks-conspiracy-theories/1/204085.html]Jundal's arrest exposes Pak's agenda of turning 26/11 into an Indian conspiracy : Cover Story - India Today
//indiatoday.intoday.in/story/abu-jundal-arrest-kasab-mumbai-terror-attacks-conspiracy-theories/1/204085.html]Jundal's arrest exposes Pak's agenda of turning 26/11 into an Indian conspiracy : Cover Story - India Today
 
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That was a very good article. Homeland security is very critical for us now. In India it is very easy to get identity cards, thats why lacs of pakis & bangladeshis roam freely in India.The simple way would always be to target the muslim ghettos in India, like Beed mentioned in the article. The ghettos are the places where the terrorists stay,plan & make recces. There is & will always be the local contact & logistics unit for the paki terrorists in India, as we see Indian muslims easily become jihadis & get brain washed. I hope the new government forms an intelligence unit to eliminate the local sleeper cells as a part of homeland security.
 
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"In 1947, Hindus constituted around 30% of the population," says SubrotoChowdhury, a Hindu community leader in Dhaka.

"Now it is less than 10%. Hindus are being warned to leave so that locals can take over their land and houses.

"Our community is being persecuted."
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bbc.com/news/world-asia-21712655
BBC News - Bangladesh minorities 'terrorised' after mob violence[/url]
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a similar news we have as below too :facepalm:

youtube.com/watch?v=LQOghIetg3Q
 

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@Ray

Further to the last few posts, discussing "Indian" Muzahidin coming from Pakistan and Bangladesh, we now have got these elements in US/Western nations also, representing Indians there :facepalm:
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Countries can gang up even without SAARC. SAARC is not a platform for anti-India activities.
you wrong

Pakistan+Bangladesh, as a highly Muslim population is a threat/design for anti-India activities/sentiments, because of very high Islamic Fanatic population.

and we have to defend ourselves on the border, check any increase in people to people connectivity between our people with these two rogue neighbors of India :thumb:

we don't believe in SAARC, expect burden on our border, because of our geographical conditions :toilet:



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India needs to cultivate sane voices while taking action against violent elements. Again this is not as easy as it sounds but India will need to have access to Bangladesh.

Ultimately India will have to take action inside Bangladesh.
you are wrong again

we dont want any action in other countries, including Bangladesh, as we may defend our Indo-BD border with the resources available in our country, within :thumb:
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we are well capable to destroy/eliminate any incoming threats to our people/society, and hence we need not to worry how this overly populated Muslim country deal with its internal problems, the Bangladesh. we simply aren't worried with others, except our international obligations :wave:

International Laws: as per the International laws, which favor to shoot down/destroy any incoming object/person coming towards the International border before reach at a certain distance, which doesn't stop after few warnings. as it may have destructive materials which may be harmful to the country, of concern. and once it reach a certain distance even after few warnings, the defending country is allowed to use whatever arms it has, to defend itself.

with that, we favor direct citizenship for the Bangladeshi and Pakistani people for US and its allies, if they want this in their country. but we dont want the shiits :wave:

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a long time we discussed, "if I would like to have neighbors of India then i would dream it to be located in South America, in the neighborhood of South American countries."

and whenever we have a look on the state of Pakistan and Bangladesh type overly populated Islamic Fanatic countries, and its consequences on India as whole, then i only remember the statement of a former Indian PM as below :facepalm:

"We can change history but not geography. We can change our friends but not our neighbors."
--Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee

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@santosh10, the Modi government is approaching each issue in a positive frame of mind. This is necessary as we live in a democracy where we have to bring people on-board. Our political system is different from China or Pakistan even.

India wants to focus on development and security at the same time while giving preference to development.

Mr Modi believes that fast developmnent of India is best recipe for increasing security of the State.

I think we cannot containerize India. It is not possible to seal India from neighboring States. If Bangladesh is in problem, that problem will spill over into India. It is necessary for India to have influence in Bangladesh, as well aid Bangladesh in its development.

India has to play big role in South Asia. There is no option.

We have to view China's developmental assistance positively (though there may be negative security aspects), as economic development of the region is net positive for India.

We cannot be obsessed with only security issues. This kind of policy simply does not work.
@Ray

Mr, we can defend ourselves, and destroy/remove every threats to our society. there are too many options :india:
 
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India has to be ready to sacrifice a part of society for the good/Independence/respect of rest

Islamic Fanaticism by involvements of Bangladesh+Pakistan, is funded by Saudi Arabia and supported by US/UK

sir, time has come when we all have to be ready to sacrifice a part of our people, for the good/Independence/respect of rest of society.

we had first half of 20th century for fighting for Independence, then 50s/60s/70s for building rural infrastructure, and then 80s to last decade for Industrialization. while now we have the time of wars related to Religion/Race/Identity/Culture/Belief/Language etc, and here we may need valuable experience of 10th to 18th century of Religious wars, the key experience in this regard. :ranger:

Islamic Fanaticism in India is rising by the direct involvements of Pakistan+Bangladesh, funded by Saudi Arabia, and 'fully' supported by US/UK, with their 'belief' that, "Organizing Internal Conflicts among the people, 'divide and rule', would finally help them establish 'Commonwealth Rule' over Indian Subcontinent as whole."

an effort is in place to 'unite'/'more people to people connectivity among people of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh to have further conspiracies like how we find Indian Muzahidin like Azmal Kasab coming from India, with hindu type red stings on hands, who killed Mr Karkare, the Sanjhauta Express investigator too to give enough reasons for Hindu groups involvements in Mumbai attack. one person, Kasab, was caught otherwise Mumbai attack conspiracy was almost successful. and you won't have this type of luxury of getting someone like Azmal Kasab, 'alive' to prove that they were not qualified for representing 'Indian' Muzahidin, whether Hindu or Muslims..... and this type of people to people connectivity/uniting Pakistan+Bangladesh is a direct effort to fulfill the these intentions

i know many of Canada in Sikh Turbans who say they are Sikhs from Pakistan, while they are the Pakistani Muslims, in fact. we even know Indian Muzahidin came in light by the first bomb blasts during the IPL 2008, we never heard about this organization before. and now it has become the most serious terrorist organization working against India, the nation, at present. and the news we are getting confirms that Indian Muzahidin has very high rise in the North East and West Bengal region because of increased participants of Bangladeshi members. and hence having a control on the Bangladeshi infiltrators/ stopping them to come to India, in the key in this regard......

as a single man, i personally find this "Existential Threat" imposed on India, the nation, is 'totally' governed by the establishments of US/UK/Commonwealth, while the players of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Bangladesh are just the toys. and hence we do need to have allies in this regard too. this is the "existential wars", the world is moving towards from now, and we need friends in this regard. and among them, we find our one of the closest Ally, Burma, who just had high level riots within, between Buddhist to Muslim from Bangladesh, on the other hand we have Iran+Iraq type Shia Majority countries, who may help us even wipe out Saudi Arabia as whole too, if required, even if we know that the main behind all these are the US/UK..... we may need a type of wars which may require, "leaving none taking breath in any certain region too", for the good/independence/respect, for the shake of our coming generation....

and we do expect to have help on this regard from the similar interested countries like Japan, China, Thailand, Vietnam etc type countries, as we do know that once we will move towards 'divide' on the name of Religion/Race/Culture/ Identity/Belief etc, we will get allies in this regard too, obviously. hence the black countries of Africa also may find themselves comfortable with us...

we have to be ready to sacrifice a part of us/ our people, for the good/respect/independence, of all. we are moving towards wars from now onward, and only war preparation we need in this regard. like, twice police, twice CRPF etc, twice expenditure on the Internal Security, with enough storage of WMDs may also be required in this regard. if Russia has over 10,000 nuclear weapons, not because they want to destroy the whole world 300-400 times, even 100-200 is enough to completely destroy this world, true. but they know the meaning of preparation. while im mainly concerned with an enough storage of chemical and biological weapons, which may help us 'clean up' few areas as whole, if required...

we are moving towards only wars from now onwards, for our people/freedom/independence/society/respect, to maintain dignity of our coming generation, and the "worthy cost" will be required in this regard

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