"Hindu is a false faith with false gods," claims Idaho senator

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Also each Veda Mantra has magical effect on the chanter as well as the environment.
Only when recited with correct mindset and pronunciation :)
OT anyway ..
 

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@Energon, @Virendra , you guys would really love to see this: Watch from over 34:24

 
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So what we have here is:
  • 3 individual state senators decided to not attend a Hindu chant because of their personal narrow minded beliefs
  • Everyone else went about business as usual
  • Nobody asked for the prayer to be halted or the prayee to be "banned"
  • The prayer was recited anyways
  • There are no moratoriums on more Hindu prayers being recited in the state senate in the future.


How exactly is this an example of systemic and/or state sponsored religious intolerance?
Yeah yeah, very soothing post.

If a Hindu minister does this in India, the media will hound him till the ends of Earth. He will be painted as a "fascist", "villain", "communal", etc. The opposition parties will chew him alive in RS. There will be long and whiny op-eds for weeks on end, about damage to India's "secular fabric". Foreign press like BBC, Economist, etc. will write long articles about the dangers of "Hindu nationalism" and link it with everything from rapes to poverty and slums, to "nuclear Armageddon in the subcontinent".

And yeah, you would have been among those commenting on the "narrow-mindedness of the minister".

Truth is, no one in public life can dare do such a thing in India. Yet, we hear lectures on "secularism" from Western nations, including the USA. Each incident like this (4 in the last 3 weeks) exposes the hollowness of their claims.
 

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There will be long and whiny op-eds for weeks on end, about damage to India's "secular fabric". Foreign press like BBC, Economist, etc. will write long articles about the dangers of "Hindu nationalism" and link it with everything from rapes to poverty and slums, to "nuclear Armageddon in the subcontinent".

Well that escalated quickly. :lol:
 

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This report says that SEVEN christian crackpots boycotted the prayer:

Seven Idaho senators skip Hindu prayer - Spokesman.com - March 4, 2015

three said they stayed away on purpose, and a fourth questioned why a Christian prayer wasn't offered as well.
Sen. Sheryl Nuxoll, R-Cottonwood, who said she believes the United States is a Christian nation and that "Hindu is a false faith with false gods."
the Hoe of Ida has spoken.:lol:

In India, not a single legislator would openly insult another faith.
 

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A State formed by members of such narrow religious views cannot be expected to be called a secular one atleast.
The word secular would mean distanced from religion, so the Senator can be called secular, if he is willing to walk away from the recital of Hindu prayers, and also the recital of Bible, and every other religious recital.

For what he did, he can be called intolerant and bigoted, but I still think he had to right to walk away, or claim that Hindu[ism] is a false faith.
 

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re: "Hindu is a false faith with false gods," claims Idaho senator

This report says that SEVEN christian crackpots boycotted the prayer:

Seven Idaho senators skip Hindu prayer - Spokesman.com - March 4, 2015

three said they stayed away on purpose, and a fourth questioned why a Christian prayer wasn't offered as well.
Sen. Sheryl Nuxoll, R-Cottonwood, who said she believes the United States is a Christian nation and that "Hindu is a false faith with false gods."
the Hoe of Ida has spoken.:lol:

In India, not a single legislator would openly insult another faith.
 

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In India, not a single legislator would openly insult another faith.
These are politicians, and do not forget the "rape" comments by Tapas Pal.

Politicians, not all of course, have this habit of doing things that can be termed as "dirty."
 

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My intent in creating this thread and similar ones is to educate fellow Indians and wash away some of the starry-eyed blind boot-licking of the West that many Indians indulge in.

Fact: The West has money and is economically prosperous. There is NOTHING else in their society that is inherently "superior" to Indian society. Its a fact of life that one with money is perceived to be superior in all aspects. This is human thinking. All the good stuff - secularism, freedom, democracy, etc. has been well-implemented in Indian society. This is all the more impressive considering the poverty in India, the literacy standards, the massive diversity in every form - linguistic, religious, cultural, racial, etc.

I am telling you, if these Western nations had the kind of diversity that India has, they would have imploded long back.

As India grows economically, we will see a lot of this shit propaganda reducing. 15 years and things will be much more tolerable.
 

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As India grows economically, we will see a lot of this shit propaganda reducing. 15 years and things will be much more tolerable.
On the contrary, you willsee a massive increase in such crap when India starts to dominate more in the global affairs. You will see more such atrocity literature. Do you really think China and Russia are as deplorable as it is made out to be by the Western Media? India would be joining their ranks.

The only solution is to get our media house in order and clean out the anti national scum and open up branches in western country to do counter propaganda. Hell, we dont even have to do propaganda. Even showing them the truth about their country is enough to win the information war :truestory:
 

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Only when recited with correct mindset and pronunciation :)
OT anyway ..
Yes. And there is a reason for that. Veda were never written down - only passed orally. Ved Vyas Muni and his disciplines put the Vedas in writing in Mahabharat times; as he realized that people's memory was not sharp enough anymore to commit the entire body to memory.
The verse are to be heard. The phonetics of Vedas is very difficult to represent in writing.
HOWEVER, even understanding verses and reciting is very beneficial even if pronunciation is not completely correct.

Mindset is very important but this is hard to discuss on this forum.
 

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My intent in creating this thread and similar ones is to educate fellow Indians and wash away some of the starry-eyed blind boot-licking of the West that many Indians indulge in.

Fact: The West has money and is economically prosperous. There is NOTHING else in their society that is inherently "superior" to Indian society. Its a fact of life that one with money is perceived to be superior in all aspects. This is human thinking. All the good stuff - secularism, freedom, democracy, etc. has been well-implemented in Indian society. This is all the more impressive considering the poverty in India, the literacy standards, the massive diversity in every form - linguistic, religious, cultural, racial, etc.

I am telling you, if these Western nations had the kind of diversity that India has, they would have imploded long back.

As India grows economically, we will see a lot of this shit propaganda reducing. 15 years and things will be much more tolerable.
The strength of India is ITS VEDIC ROOTS. The culture of India is unique due to its Vedic root.

The ancient culture and values of India keeps it intact.

The diversity etc. is not the reason.

Our Vedic culture teaches us to be kind to guests.

The persons who did not recite Vedic verses must not be made a subject of discussion. It is OK. We must not force people.
 
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Wrong thread.
 

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re: "Hindu is a false faith with false gods," claims Idaho senator

But I also cannot forget that they are right there in that senate as its members, as a part of the State. Does that have no implications?
The implication is that in a true representative democracy even people with narrow minded beliefs should have an agency provided they do not impinge upon the rights and freedoms of others. As @pmaitra rightly points out...
For what he did, he can be called intolerant and bigoted, but I still think he had to right to walk away, or claim that Hindu[ism] is a false faith.
This is correct. As bigoted, narrow minded and ludicrous as the personal beliefs of the 3 senators may be, they are still free to have them and refrain from participating in any activity which they perceive as being an affront to their faith.
Hypothetically speaking, in a mid-western state like Idaho, I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of senators boycotted a Hindu ceremony 30-40 years ago. Now it's just 3 and a few years from now it'll be 0. But in the mean time those people do have the right to hold on to their dumb beliefs.

Yeah yeah, very soothing post.

If a Hindu minister does this in India...

And yeah, you would have been among those...
Sorry, the outrage is wasted on me. I honestly don't see how any of this is tantamount to systemic bigotry.
 
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Sorry, the outrage is wasted on me. I honestly don't see how any of this is tantamount to systemic bigotry.
Who said that it was "tantamount to systemic bigotry"? You put words into our mouths and argue with us on that basis!! Strange.

Let me spell it out again - the US really should stop lecturing other countries on "human rights" and "secularism" and "tolerance". The sanctimonious preaching is getting nauseating. Sickening. Puke-inducing.

India has its problems, but in several ways we are far superior to the US, and certainly far superior to European nations. No Indian politician can get away with the kind of shit that these senators have come up with. Its probably due to India's massive diversity, we've learnt to be tolerant and politically correct.

And frankly, if the US had the kind of religious, racial, linguistic and cultural diversity that India has, it would have imploded long back.
 

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If everybody had the right to walk away, what if everybody exercised it? All individually. Will that be considered as a insult to the Chaplin? Addressing all empty chairs. It didn't happen doesn't mean it can't happen.

You have sick leave and you are under no obligation not to fall sick but if whole shift call up the manager and fall sick a single day? There are reasonable restrictions.

No, only prior notified absence is allowed. As in the case one among the 9 absentees (5 were in meeting). But protest is not.

They can boycott but that is directly an insult to the guest Chaplin.

Then to go on and give such statement is regressive.

I have already linked what Indian law says.

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PS. The compulsory attendance is achieved in Indian legislature through issuing of 'whip' which the designated party chief whip exercises.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whip_(politics)
 
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I wonder why the West is getting hyped all of a sudden like in PANIC MODE against Indians and Hindutva..
:D

oh well!!
 

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The implication is that in a true representative democracy even people with narrow minded beliefs should have an agency provided they do not impinge upon the rights and freedoms of others. As @pmaitra rightly points out...
This is correct. As bigoted, narrow minded and ludicrous as the personal beliefs of the 3 senators may be, they are still free to have them and refrain from participating in any activity which they perceive as being an affront to their faith.
I'm not saying they had no right to walk out as individuals. That is freedom. But they're part of the State at the same time. If some components of the State machinery are as bigoted as this, what kind of governance and legislation will they enforce (however small influence it may be)? Even if only in their own constituencies.
If they were not Senators, I wouldn't care a moment.
And yes, as @Bangalorean rightsly points out, it is the western hypocrisy of pointing preaching fingers at us when four point at them, that annoys us more. We want that to stop first.
May be they would do better to focus on the likes of pedophiles who engage in organized sexual grooming of British teens in England. Their moral diarrhea is wasted on us.

I wonder why the West is getting hyped all of a sudden like in PANIC MODE against Indians and Hindutva..
:D

oh well!!
Because they're scared of squeaking in front of Islamic radicals. For some, Hinduism is the punching bag to vent out frustration.
British politicians are cowards, sexual grooming is taking place everywhere in Britain: Tommy Robinson | Zee News
 
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