HAL Light Utility Helicopter (LUH) and Light Observation Helicopter (LOH)

[patriots]

It has happened before in the case of india due to a combination of reasons.dont blame me for being cautious.

Bhai lca was our first attempt to make a jet
Where luh is our 3rd attempt
After alh ,lch ....so hal has the mastery in rotary wing
Luh will be a huge success. Both in civil and military
A lots of aged chhetah ...cheetal..lancer chetak will retire....
Minimum 100 + luh are required

 

[patriots]

Bdw
Luh has

• Service ceiling: 6,500 m (21,300 ft)

Today it's 18000 ft....

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Also I want to see an armed version too

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

Bhai lca was our first attempt to make a jet
Where luh is our 3rd attempt
After alh ,lch ....so hal has the mastery in rotary wing
Luh will be a huge success. Both in civil and military
A lots of aged chhetah ...cheetal..lancer chetak will retire....
Minimum 100 + luh are required

Good hope that is the case.they can give an excuse to induct some other heli and the foreign company will also try to cover it in make in India spin.

 

[Bleh]

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Please the government should fast track this and others as the induction of indeginous products should be treated with utmost importance.

See how they are trying their best to sabotage LCA and atags.they already sabotaged arjun effectively.i think they have their sights on lch too.

How to motivate induction is a question.i think bringing in private indian players like in the case of stage is the best option as it creates a military industrial complex and forces investment in indeginous products while private players also show more passion than most government run factories bar a few.

LCA & LCH are relatively safe... ATAGS too well enter mass production. Arjun they successfully killed off.

It's not pointless it is a technological feat. Which remains with us for further development.

Kamov can eat into some orders but luh is here to stay and will only get better. It probably see more numbers in service than alh dhruv.

Bhai lca was our first attempt to make a jet
Where luh is our 3rd attempt
After alh ,lch ....so hal has the mastery in rotary wing
Luh will be a huge success. Both in civil and military
A lots of aged chhetah ...cheetal..lancer chetak will retire....
Minimum 100 + luh are required

135 Kamov Ka-226 ordered by Army, another 65 by Air Force. Too many to be "stop-gap"...

Kamov Ka-226__vs__HAL LUH
Passengers: 7---------6
Payload: 1,000 kg-----500kg
Max takeoff weight:3800 kg-----3,120 kg
Power: 2 Turbomeca Arrius(580 hp)----1HAL/Turbomeca Shakti(1,070 hp)
Maximum speed: 250 km/h----260 km/h
Cruising speed: 220 km/h------235 km/hr
Range: 600 km-----350 km (with 400 kg payload)
Service ceiling: 6200 m (20300 ft)----- 6,500 m (21,300 ft)

 

[ezsasa]

Good hope that is the case.they can give an excuse to induct some other heli and the foreign company will also try to cover it in make in India spin.

HAL has a order for 56 LUH, it’s not a bad number to start with..

 

[G10]

A 500 kg payload is zilch. Atleast a ton of load should be there. Just 5-10 bombs as payload and it would be maxed out.

 

[abingdonboy]

LUH scales DBO and beyond, landing at J Top at >18000feet at ISA+25°C

What an utterly gorgeous machine!

Love this bird. Can not wait for it to be in service in the 100s. Going from Chetak/Cheetah to LUH is like going from a Ambassador to a 2019 5 series

If ultimately Russia pays the right people & India pays Russia to get Kamov-226T... then it's pointless.

KA-226 is never coming

 

[abingdonboy]

Bhai lca was our first attempt to make a jet
Where luh is our 3rd attempt
After alh ,lch ....so hal has the mastery in rotary wing
Luh will be a huge success. Both in civil and military
A lots of aged chhetah ...cheetal..lancer chetak will retire....
Minimum 100 + luh are required

100? More like 1000 for both military and civilian.

Indian heli market is going to grow massively in the next 2 decades and the LUH can be the perfect option if HAL are aggressive in marketing it.


HEMS, police, state admins, corporate charters, tourist, commute etc etc. HUGE opportunity.

 

[abingdonboy]

HAL has a order for 56 LUH, it’s not a bad number to start with..

56? HAL has a commitment for 187 LUH at least. Total demand for LUH/RSH for IAF/IA is 600. KA-226 is meant to have 197 orders but this won’t be signed for so huge opportunities for HAL.

 

[ezsasa]

56? HAL has a commitment for 187 LUH at least. Total demand for LUH/RSH for IAF/IA is 600. KA-226 is meant to have 197 orders but this won’t be signed for so huge opportunities for HAL.

order and commitment are two different things. multiple tranches of order can be given, isn't it?
56 number is from HAL annual report...

 

[abingdonboy]

order and commitment are two different things. multiple tranches of order can be given, isn't it?
56 number is from HAL annual report...

56 would be a good initial tranche but to get HAL to commence their phase-2 production plans (60/year) the services are going to have to go against their usual games and give a large order upfront, 30-50 here and there isn’t the way to go.

Hope 56 is just for LSP and then IA/IAF commit to much larger follow on orders once they are satisfied with the bird

 

[abingdonboy]

A 500 kg payload is zilch. Atleast a ton of load should be there. Just 5-10 bombs as payload and it would be maxed out.

Those figures are misleading. I’d like to see the payload figures at high altitude as I’m 100% certain LUH will do a better job at high altitude where the IAF and IA are in urgent need of these LUHs.

6 passengers is double what the Chetaks and Cheetahs can do today.

Remember LUH is at the bottom rung, it doesn’t need to have huge payload capacity at sea level, the IA/IAF does very little under slung cargo operations from their light helos, they have the ALH/mi17/Chinooks for that. Main role of RSH is recce and scout, main role of LUH will be utility, air taxi, air-ambulance and communications especially at high altitudes.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

A 500 kg payload is zilch. Atleast a ton of load should be there. Just 5-10 bombs as payload and it would be maxed out.

LUSH has a payload of more than 1 ton. Data above are incorrect.

 

[WolfPack86]

#Russia to showcase Ka-226 & civilian version of MI-17 to #Modi .

 

[Bleh]

LUSH has a payload of more than 1 ton. Data above are incorrect.

Which one is LUSH?

LUH has 500kg payload, i got it from HAL's own site.
https://hal-india.co.in/Product_Details.aspx?Mkey=54&lKey=&CKey=64

 

[patriots]

On trial, light-utility copter lands in Ladakh

| SEP 01, 2019

• Trial
• Ladakh
• Copter Lands

Tribune News Service

New Delhi, August 31

The light-utility helicopter (LUH), produced by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, has undertaken a flight at 18,000 feet and landed at Daulat Baig Oldie (DBO), the highest-landing ground in northern Ladakh at an altitude of 16,890 feet.




The single-engine copter, in its final stages of development, had undertaken a winter flight at 20,000 feet. The flight to the DBO, landing there and then taking off was part of its summer trials.

The rarity of air at higher altitudes puts pressure on copter engines. Summers are tougher than winter conditions for copter flying hence, the trial was carried out in ‘peak summer’. The certification of the copter has been done and the flight to northern Ladakh was a success, sources in HAL said.

The successful flight makes the copter ‘Siachen worthy’— one of the requirements of the Indian Air Force and the Army. The Army will procure 126 copters and the IAF 61 from HAL.

The LUHs will replace the obsolescent fleet of Chetak and Cheetah helicopters. These are based on the 1950s-designed Alouette Aérospatiale 315B Lama of France. These will be deployed for reconnaissance and surveillance roles and as a light transport helicopter. The maximum speed of the LUH is expected to be 220 kmph, with a service ceiling of 6.5 km.

The LUH is a 3-ton class new generation helicopter designed and developed by Rotary Wing Research and Design Center of HAL. It is lighter than the 5.5-tonne Dhruv, a twin-engine copter inducted into the forces.
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/on-trial-light-utility-copter-lands-in-ladakh/825961.html

 

[Shashwat]

^^ Stop blatant copy and provide source too-

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/on-trial-light-utility-copter-lands-in-ladakh/825961.html

 

[abingdonboy]

On trial, light-utility copter lands in Ladakh

| SEP 01, 2019

• Trial
• Ladakh
• Copter Lands

Tribune News Service

New Delhi, August 31

The light-utility helicopter (LUH), produced by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, has undertaken a flight at 18,000 feet and landed at Daulat Baig Oldie (DBO), the highest-landing ground in northern Ladakh at an altitude of 16,890 feet.




The single-engine copter, in its final stages of development, had undertaken a winter flight at 20,000 feet. The flight to the DBO, landing there and then taking off was part of its summer trials.

The rarity of air at higher altitudes puts pressure on copter engines. Summers are tougher than winter conditions for copter flying hence, the trial was carried out in ‘peak summer’. The certification of the copter has been done and the flight to northern Ladakh was a success, sources in HAL said.

The successful flight makes the copter ‘Siachen worthy’— one of the requirements of the Indian Air Force and the Army. The Army will procure 126 copters and the IAF 61 from HAL.

The LUHs will replace the obsolescent fleet of Chetak and Cheetah helicopters. These are based on the 1950s-designed Alouette Aérospatiale 315B Lama of France. These will be deployed for reconnaissance and surveillance roles and as a light transport helicopter. The maximum speed of the LUH is expected to be 220 kmph, with a service ceiling of 6.5 km.

The LUH is a 3-ton class new generation helicopter designed and developed by Rotary Wing Research and Design Center of HAL. It is lighter than the 5.5-tonne Dhruv, a twin-engine copter inducted into the forces.
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/on-trial-light-utility-copter-lands-in-ladakh/825961.html

India is very good at testing to mind boggling standards but pathetic at getting certifications and production complete.

I guess this is the final hurdle. Earlier R&D had been the issue then it had been testing failures.

LUH is world class there’s no denying that and naturally they need to be very systematic and ensure no major failures occur but these seemingly
Endless delays with no firm production date is painful.

 

[aditya10r]

India is very good at testing to mind boggling standards but pathetic at getting certifications and production complete.

I guess this is the final hurdle. Earlier R&D had been the issue then it had been testing failures.

LUH is world class there’s no denying that and naturally they need to be very systematic and ensure no major failures occur but these seemingly
Endless delays with no firm production date is painful.

Indian armed forces themselves require atleast 400-600 of such helicopters.

If it gets in the air on time and secure good number of orders from the domestic market itself ie;indian armed forces then we would be able to market it in the world and earn crucial exposure and input from those countries will only help in developing our local production and research base.
We should simultaneously work on a mil mi-17 uh-60 class helicopter,our mil mi-17s fleet will start retiring in 10-15 years from today.

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[abingdonboy]

Indian armed forces themselves require atleast 400-600 of such helicopters.

If it gets in the air on time and secure good number of orders from the domestic market itself ie;indian armed forces then we would be able to market it in the world and earn crucial exposure and input from those countries will only help in developing our local production and research base.
We should simultaneously work on a mil mi-17 uh-60 class helicopter,our mil mi-17s fleet will start retiring in 10-15 years from today.

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IMRH will come in the 12-13 ton class and will have a dedicated naval variant. I wouldn’t be concerned about the Mi-17 fleet replacement.

Just itching to see LUH get into production and into service in large numbers. It’s many times superior to the junk it will replace and will be a HUGE capability upgrade for the Indian military.