HAL developing new varaint LCA-1P

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Don't get surprised if MK2 gets Levcons like Naval tejas or full canard configuration for greater AOA and more Thrust to weight Ratio than MK1 . So one thing has been true on DMs statement .He was the first to talk about "Improved MK1 but not MK1" will be mass produced . Now his words on Different Tejas MK2 we have to wait and watch.
 

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MK1 and MK2 design are same, Structurally different as MK2 is mounted with more powerful engine and Avionics such as AESA and more fuel ..

Ordinance is more or less same for both fighter in category of Smart bombs and modern A2A missiles ..
Sir, and F414 will be bit lighter in weight, thanks to 3D printing technology.
 

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the importnt prt to note in this is

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HAL is bein brought into the loop of LCA design development project management - uptill now it was the scpegoat between IAF & ADA & Govt withoutit being responsible for anything but assembly

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This seems to be the effort to push & Secure the Tejas program

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We all (at least most) people on this forum and elsewhere have argued that HAL should take a developer lie role such as LM & Boeing - i.e. become a product company and not only Local Mfg of oreign products

this is the fourth such instance where HAL is trying to transorm itself t a products based company
the
1st being - going on its own Trainer Aircraft
2nd - being going on its own on 25Kn engine
3rd Being - working on & trying to get civil aition certiications in Europe for its Dhruv range
the above for Tejas being the fourth

not to mention the Helicopters business as that has been good success and will beome a runaway success
 

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Does any body know abut engines. HAL might have engine only for 40 MK 1s and some spare. If IAF wants 120 birds which engines we will use because we can not get more of GE's F-404 line is closed.
 

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For 120 Tejas we will need 3.5*120 engines.

So GE can make engines here.
I can bet on a improved variant of Kaveri K9 engine. It will work as the mk1a will have reduced weight and TWR meets the engine parameters. Might be we will go in for a JV fir upgraded Kaveri engine.
 

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MOST RIDICULOUS PIECE OF SHIT, WHY SAME AIRFORCE IS STILL FLYING JAGUAR,MIG-27& MIG-21 ARE THEY MORDERN TECH??? WILL RAFALE REPLACE ALL ABOVE TYPE, IF LCA IS OUTDATED IN TODAYS COMBAT THEN WHY ASK FOR LCA MK2 WHEN NAVY PROPOSED IT WITH NEW ENGINE???


Modi pushes ‘obsolete’ Tejas on reluctant military

The government has turned down the military’s request to expand the acquisition of 36 fighter planes from Dassault Aviation SA to plug vital gaps, officials said, nudging it to accept an indigenous combat plane 32 years in the making.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s decision, in line with his Make-in-India policy to encourage domestic industry, is a blow for not only the French manufacturer but also others circling over the Indian military aviation market worth billions of dollars.

The push for India’s struggling Tejas light combat aircraft (LCA) also comes at a time when the Air Force is at its weakest operational strength since the 1962 war against China, which is causing anxiety within military circles.

Since it took over last year, the Modi administration has repeatedly said its overriding goal is to cut off the military’s addiction to foreign arms which has made it the world’s top importer.

The Air Force wanted the government to clear an additional 44 Rafale medium multirole aircraft on top of the 36 that Modi announced during a visit to Paris this year that are to be bought off-the-shelf to meet its urgent requirements.

But a defence ministry official said that defence minister Manohar Parrikar had told the Air Force that there weren’t enough funds to expand the Rafale acquisition and that it must induct an improved version of the indigenous Tejas-Mark 1A.

“The IAF (Air Force) needs to have a minimum number of aircraft at all times. The LCA is our best option at this stage, given our resource constraints,” the defence official said.

“The Rafale is our most expensive acquisition. The LCA is our cheapest in the combat category.”

India’s air force says it requires 45 fighter squadrons to counter a “two-front collusive threat” from Pakistan and China. But it only has 35 active fighter squadrons, parliament’s defence committee said in a report in April citing a presentation by a top air force officer.

With the drawdown of Soviet-era MiG 21 planes under way, the air force would be down to 25 squadrons by 2022 at the current pace of acquisitions, it told the committee.

Cleared by the government in 1983, the LCA designed by the government’s Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) was meant to be the backbone of the air force due for induction in 1994.

Instead, it suffered years of delay and chaos with scientists trying to build the world’s most modern light combat aircraft from scratch, including the engine.

Eventually they scrapped the engine, turning to GE Aviation and lowering their ambitions for a state-of-the-art fighter. So far, only one aircraft has been produced and even that is awaiting final operational clearance, now delayed to early 2016.

“In January this year, they had given one LCA … which had not completed its flight testing. They handed over the papers to us. We do not make a squadron with one aeroplane. That is where we are,” said an air force officer speaking on condition of anonymity.

SAFETY CONCERNS

An independent investigation by the Comptroller and Auditor General of India into the LCA programme identified 53 “shortfalls” in the plane. In a report in May, the auditor said that the plane wasn’t as light as promised, the fuel capacity and speed were lower than required and there were concerns about safety.

Retired Air Marshal M. Matheswaran, a former deputy chief of the Integrated Defence Staff, said the LCA was obsolete.

“It is a very short-range aircraft which has no relevance in today’s war fighting scenarios. If you are trying to justify this as a replacement for follow-on Rafales, you are comparing apples with oranges.”

He said the plane was at best a technology demonstrator on which Indian engineers could build the next series of aircraft, not something the air force could win a war with.

“We would like to have the MMRCA (Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft) variety of aircraft. At least about six squadrons, to my mind,” the head of the air force, Arup Raha, said at the weekend, referring to the Rafale class of fighters.

But K. Tamilmani, the DRDO’s aerospace chief, said the modified version of the Tejas addressed most of the air force concerns. These included electronic warfare system, flight computer, radar and maintenance problems.

“Almost all the problems get solved with the 1A. There will always be scope for improvement, but there are no flight safety issues,” he said.

State-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited would be able to ramp production to 16 a year by 2017 to meet the air force’s demands, he said.

“We Indians are extremely good at blaming each other – at blaming it all on Indian production.”

Dassault declined any comment on the government’s decision to cap the Rafale fleet.

http://idrw.org/modi-pushes-obsolete-tejas-on-reluctant-military/
 

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MOST RIDICULOUS PIECE OF SHIT, WHY SAME AIRFORCE IS STILL FLYING JAGUAR,MIG-27& MIG-21 ARE THEY MORDERN TECH??? WILL RAFALE REPLACE ALL ABOVE TYPE, IF LCA IS OUTDATED IN TODAYS COMBAT THEN WHY ASK FOR LCA MK2 WHEN NAVY PROPOSED IT WITH NEW ENGINE???


Modi pushes ‘obsolete’ Tejas on reluctant military

The government has turned down the military’s request to expand the acquisition of 36 fighter planes from Dassault Aviation SA to plug vital gaps, officials said, nudging it to accept an indigenous combat plane 32 years in the making.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s decision, in line with his Make-in-India policy to encourage domestic industry, is a blow for not only the French manufacturer but also others circling over the Indian military aviation market worth billions of dollars.

The push for India’s struggling Tejas light combat aircraft (LCA) also comes at a time when the Air Force is at its weakest operational strength since the 1962 war against China, which is causing anxiety within military circles.

Since it took over last year, the Modi administration has repeatedly said its overriding goal is to cut off the military’s addiction to foreign arms which has made it the world’s top importer.

The Air Force wanted the government to clear an additional 44 Rafale medium multirole aircraft on top of the 36 that Modi announced during a visit to Paris this year that are to be bought off-the-shelf to meet its urgent requirements.

But a defence ministry official said that defence minister Manohar Parrikar had told the Air Force that there weren’t enough funds to expand the Rafale acquisition and that it must induct an improved version of the indigenous Tejas-Mark 1A.

“The IAF (Air Force) needs to have a minimum number of aircraft at all times. The LCA is our best option at this stage, given our resource constraints,” the defence official said.

“The Rafale is our most expensive acquisition. The LCA is our cheapest in the combat category.”

India’s air force says it requires 45 fighter squadrons to counter a “two-front collusive threat” from Pakistan and China. But it only has 35 active fighter squadrons, parliament’s defence committee said in a report in April citing a presentation by a top air force officer.

With the drawdown of Soviet-era MiG 21 planes under way, the air force would be down to 25 squadrons by 2022 at the current pace of acquisitions, it told the committee.

Cleared by the government in 1983, the LCA designed by the government’s Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) was meant to be the backbone of the air force due for induction in 1994.

Instead, it suffered years of delay and chaos with scientists trying to build the world’s most modern light combat aircraft from scratch, including the engine.

Eventually they scrapped the engine, turning to GE Aviation and lowering their ambitions for a state-of-the-art fighter. So far, only one aircraft has been produced and even that is awaiting final operational clearance, now delayed to early 2016.

“In January this year, they had given one LCA … which had not completed its flight testing. They handed over the papers to us. We do not make a squadron with one aeroplane. That is where we are,” said an air force officer speaking on condition of anonymity.

SAFETY CONCERNS

An independent investigation by the Comptroller and Auditor General of India into the LCA programme identified 53 “shortfalls” in the plane. In a report in May, the auditor said that the plane wasn’t as light as promised, the fuel capacity and speed were lower than required and there were concerns about safety.

Retired Air Marshal M. Matheswaran, a former deputy chief of the Integrated Defence Staff, said the LCA was obsolete.

“It is a very short-range aircraft which has no relevance in today’s war fighting scenarios. If you are trying to justify this as a replacement for follow-on Rafales, you are comparing apples with oranges.”

He said the plane was at best a technology demonstrator on which Indian engineers could build the next series of aircraft, not something the air force could win a war with.

“We would like to have the MMRCA (Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft) variety of aircraft. At least about six squadrons, to my mind,” the head of the air force, Arup Raha, said at the weekend, referring to the Rafale class of fighters.

But K. Tamilmani, the DRDO’s aerospace chief, said the modified version of the Tejas addressed most of the air force concerns. These included electronic warfare system, flight computer, radar and maintenance problems.

“Almost all the problems get solved with the 1A. There will always be scope for improvement, but there are no flight safety issues,” he said.

State-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited would be able to ramp production to 16 a year by 2017 to meet the air force’s demands, he said.

“We Indians are extremely good at blaming each other – at blaming it all on Indian production.”

Dassault declined any comment on the government’s decision to cap the Rafale fleet.

http://idrw.org/modi-pushes-obsolete-tejas-on-reluctant-military/
I think original source is Reuters .

We are going to see, more of such articles in future.
 

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Retired Air Marshal M. Matheswaran, a former deputy chief of the Integrated Defence Staff, said the LCA was obsolete.

“It is a very short-range aircraft which has no relevance in today’s war fighting scenarios. If you are trying to justify this as a replacement for follow-on Rafales, you are comparing apples with oranges.”

He said the plane was at best a technology demonstrator on which Indian engineers could build the next series of aircraft, not something the air force could win a war with.
If such a moron had held the highest post in IAF, no wonder the IAF leadership today is under question! Tejas is short-range? For a 'LIGHT' fighter it has substantial range, and what was he wishing for - a expeditionary force like USA has? What is Indias need - to protect its boundary or striking 1000s miles away?

Of course, Rafale and LCA are not comparable. How great an assessment!

India needs a host of defence equipment, not only fighter planes to modernise all of its armed forces. Even IAF needs more machines in different categories. Where would the fund come from, if $25-30 billion is spent after the bunch of overpriced fighters. However, capable those fighters may be, acquisition of those will ruin acquisitions of other necessary machines.

This guy sounds like a import lobbyist through and through. Tejas is far more than a technology demonstrator and proven its worth in 2000 hrs of successful testing without a single accident. It is a perfect light fighter, and cost wise just what India needs in large no.

“We would like to have the MMRCA (Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft) variety of aircraft. At least about six squadrons, to my mind,” the head of the air force, Arup Raha, said at the weekend, referring to the Rafale class of fighters.
If you would 'like' to have it, then those can wait. You first get, what you need to protect Indian air space.

But K. Tamilmani, the DRDO’s aerospace chief, said the modified version of the Tejas addressed most of the air force concerns. These included electronic warfare system, flight computer, radar and maintenance problems.

“Almost all the problems get solved with the 1A. There will always be scope for improvement, but there are no flight safety issues,” he said.
That is what matters. Indigenous is the mantra. All the rubber-heads salivating for phoren maal, can go suck eggs. India needs to learn of production indigenous defence products if it ever wishes to become more than a 'influential asian' nation.


“We Indians are extremely good at blaming each other – at blaming it all on Indian production.”
EXACTLY
 

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And guyz, Please stop giving credit only to Modi for every good things. I believe RM Manohar Parrikar is man behind all this who is pushing LCA tejas.
 

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And guyz, Please stop giving credit only to Modi for every good things. I believe RM Manohar Parrikar is man behind all this who is pushing LCA tejas.
I think Modi takes less notice of defence issues personally on regular basis as he has got two of the best people on the job - RM Parrikar and NSA Doval.
 

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Guys I have a question , If Tejas is outdated why on first place IAF ordered 40 nos MK1 ??, ok one can understand then GOI put pressure to place order
why committed for 80+ LCA Mk2 ?? which will be soon outdated going by the comment of Ex IAF Vice chief

Is Jaguar with all upgrade modern tech?? , how about Mig-27 & Mig-21?? no problem IAF still flies thoseo_O:bs:

EX VICE CHIEF OF IAF should be more responsible in making such comment , and put more facts backing his claim if not

Why INDIAN NAVY has funded and committed it's manpower in developing Naval LCA, which is outdated?? how can it save the shores & aircraft carriers from enemy raid:crazy::shoot:
 

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Saurav Jha is no engineer but he is usually fed good info by his sources.

I am not saying its impossible. But all this monkey business about Mk-1P makes me fear for the Mk-1 and Mk-2.
 

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Yeah, Need exact details how HAL is gonna shave 1000kg off MK1. If HAL fails to deliver it can have dire consequences on future projects looking at statements of our imported air force...:tongue:

Between, foreign lobbyist are angry dosto and posting shitty articles all over... :balleballe:.
One thing that worries me is that none of newspapers/media houses have highlighted the positive side or given fair assessment of the situation... :tsk:. We need to counter this false propaganda against tejas...:shoot:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...struggling-lca-tejas/articleshow/49254515.cms
http://idrw.org/modi-pushes-obsolete-tejas-on-reluctant-military/
http://www.nagpurtoday.in/inclusion-of-tejas-lca-will-further-weaken-iaf-military-circles/10071718
http://indianexpress.com/article/in...te-made-in-india-plane-on-reluctant-military/
http://www.tehelka.com/2015/10/government-forces-the-burden-of-tejas-on-a-weak-air-force/
http://www.dw.com/en/modis-make-in-india-clashes-with-air-forces-demands/a-18765500



Saurav Jha is no engineer but he is usually fed good info by his sources.

I am not saying its impossible. But all this monkey business about Mk-1P makes me fear for the Mk-1 and Mk-2.
 

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And guyz, Please stop giving credit only to Modi for every good things. I believe RM Manohar Parrikar is man behind all this who is pushing LCA tejas.
I remember Modi telling Parrikar to shut his face and stay out of the media the last time he said no more Rafale would be bought. Now he has some underling leaking to the press his statement as he cowers in the shadows. The armed services give the government a shopping list and it is their job to procure it at the best price possible. It is not the place of Parrikar to tell the IAF chief that he has to accept inferior fighters to meet political objectives. The politicians do not dictate India's defence needs.
 

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