GEO Imaging Satellite (GISAT)

[SavageKing456]

No the possibility of internal sabotage is more , considering that this launch is being intentionally delayed for more than a year and also GISAT is a military sat.

Who wouldn't want us to have this sattelite deployed?

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

Who wouldn't want us to have this sattelite deployed?

China Pakistan I believe china did this

 

[SavageKing456]

I already had a very bad feeling about this launch,yesterday itself.

 

[Vamsi]

I already had a very bad feeling about this launch,yesterday itself.

Yep mee too, I had this feeling that this launch may go wrong

 

[Indx TechStyle]

I dont think ISRO is capable of executing heavy launches and advanced programs if they cannot master cryogenic.

Since you are a technically incompetent person without any knowledge of real stuff, what you think just simply doesn't matter.

This is a idiotic musing anyway.

I think this will delay the human space flight program even more.

This is CE-7.5. HSP will use a modified LVM3 which will utilise a CE-20. Different engines have separate qualification programs.

In another jarring shame for ISRO, a US court criticized 'Antrix' delay tactics for trying to stall a compensation award to Devas.

India doesn't subscribe to US court especially issues related to glory.

But this was supposed to be a routine launch of a medium sized payload on a 'proven' cryogenic engine. In fact the configuration was much simpler than GSLV Mk3.

Explain please. How was it simple?

This is a leadership failure through and through and heads have to roll.

This is a fault of supply chain and QA department.

Cryo engine did not start. So, either a valve choked, sensor/actuator malfunctioned or shape was deformed.

Without a complete overhaul, the government is NOT going to have the confidence in ISRO to launch humans into space.

Government has a procedure qualification system called human rating for that confidence.

- hand over PSLV to private enterprise

Already being done. That's a different program.

- rejig R&D by recruiting top Indian talent from around the world.

ISRO doesn't use Bangladeshi or Nepali talent either now.
Foreign Indian "talent" is not only mostly incompetent in the field but is unwilling to come to India too.
Space tech strategic in nature and is possessed by governments. People are recruited into ISRO are from same lot of IITians and scientists who otherwise leave country.

Chnaging management and technical wing won't improve QA. But catching the vendor and low level manpower will.

- do failure assessments transparently and jointly with expert organizations.

Inside country's borders, there is no expert organisation in this regard except ISRO itself. What has to be published if is as it is in democratic retardation of revealing failures, you just will end up revealing technology to rival natios or hurt your market reputation

- get rid of all managers from the Congress era. Most probably got promoted due to caste basis and politics.

There are barely such managers. ISRO was created by volunteers. They slowly developed ISRO from scratch to a major space agency and became its leaders. It takes new generation a lot time to learn and if older with knowledge resigns, operations stall.

It is all leadership...DRDO has got a good leader now in Dr. Satish Reddy.

It's all about decades long research projects which are bearing results now. DRDO anyway hasn't done a magic wand either. Few projects ongoing for decades reached final stages.


I just wonder why people without an iota of minds act likely they are boss. This is AAP level bourgeoise retardation. Probably old IAS officers were like this. Unqualified people shouldn't vomit opinions without thoroughly studying the topic.

Yes, Sivan must do the graceful thing, and resign.

Vendor must be caught instead.

 

[Vamsi]

Who wouldn't want us to have this sattelite deployed?

Uncle Sam. Remember, last year the launch was called off just few minutes before the launch and it was delayed till date citing various reasons. I find this GISAT story similar to that of GSAT-11 where they intentionally delayed & tried to sabotage it until the govt forced them to launch it. There are high chances that it is internal Sabotage. Man , CE-7.5 engine can't fail without even igniting. They mastered this tech

 

[SavageKing456]

Uncle Sam. Remember, last year the launch was called off just few minutes before the launch and it was delayed till date citing various reasons. I find this GISAT story similar to that of GSAT-11 where they intentionally delayed & tried to sabotage it until the govt forced them to launch it. There are high chances that it is internal Sabotage. Man , CE-7.5 engine can't fail without even igniting. They mastered this tech

So we can't even launch spy satellites now??
If that's internal sabotage,then it was always the option to stop development why didn't isro took it into consideration?

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Since you are a technically incompetent person without any knowledge of real stuff, what you think just simply doesn't matter.

This is a idiotic musing anyway.

This is CE-7.5. HSP will use a modified LVM3 which will utilise a CE-20. Different engines have separate qualification programs.

India doesn't subscribe to US court especially issues related to glory.

Explain please. How was it simple?

This is a fault of supply chain and QA department.

Cryo engine did not start. So, either a valve choked, sensor/actuator malfunctioned or shape was deformed.

Government has a procedure qualification system called human rating for that confidence of people.

Already being done. That's a different program.

ISRO doesn't use Bangladeshi or Nepali talent either now.
Foreign Indian "talent" is not only mostly incompetent in the field but is unwilling to come to India too.
Space tech strategic in nature and is possessed by governments. People are recruited into ISRO are from same lot of IITians and scientists who otherwise leave country.

Chnaging management and technical wing won't improve QA. But catching the vendor and low level manpower will.

Inside country's borders, there is no expert organisation in this regard except ISRO itself. What has to be published if is as it is in democratic retardation of revealing failures, you just will end up revealing technology to rival natios or hurt your market reputation

There are barely such managers. ISRO was created by volunteers. They slowly developed ISRO from scratch to a major space agency and became its leaders. It takes new generation a lot time to learn and if older with knowledge resigns, operations stall.

It's all about decades long research projects which are bearing results now. DRDO anyway hasn't done a magic wand either. Few projects ongoing for decades reached final stages.

Vendor must be caught instead.

You can justify all you want but the government's confidence in ISRO to launch humans into space would have fallen considerably. If you cannot do a simpler launch, you are not going to be allowed to do more complicated launches especially launches where human lives are at stake.

And this is the stupidest thing I have heard on this forum for a long time:
"Foreign Indian "talent" is not only mostly incompetent in the field but is unwilling to come to India too."

No offense but sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut than to say something and prove to everyone
you are an idiot.

Chinese are a living example of being able to attract top chinese talent with experience in in overseas space programs and education in top institutions like MIT, Caltech into their organizations. It is another thing that they even attracted foreigners.

IITs are no match for MIT or Caltech. IITs are way behind in R&D programs or technical exposure. At least IISc comes a bit close to top US universities in research. Aeronautical education and exposure is top notch in the top western universities. PhDs from MIT are sought after everywhere. You must be joking if you think that overseas Indians are incompetent.

Here's a few articles about "incompetent" overseas Indians:

Four Indian American teens among top winners in 2021 Regeneron Science Talent Search - The American Bazaar

Eshani Jha gets the top award; Gopal Goel, Vetri Vel and Alay Shah among winners.

www.americanbazaaronline.com

Here, read about Dr. Swait Mohan

Meet Swati Mohan, Indian-American scientist who dyed a strand of hair blue as she led the NASA Mars mission

She was calm, composed and in complete control as she spelt out every phase of NASA's Mars 2020 Perseverance Rover landing on the Red planet. Meet Dr Swati Mohan - born in India - now a NASA achiever.

www.timesnownews.com

Close to Three Dozen Indian American Young Researchers Named 2021 Barry Goldwater Scholars

The Barry Goldwater Scholarship & Excellence in Education Foundation recently announced its 2021 class of Goldwater Scholars, with close to at least three dozen Indian Americans among the group.

www.indiawest.com

A very successful Indian American in NASA:

Philanthropists Navin and Pratima Doshi Make Yet Another Donation: LA Gets Doshi Center for Integrative Medicine

LOS ANGELES, Calif. – In the midst of a global health crisis, the Maharishi International University opened the Doshi Center for Integrative Medicine here on the morning of May 14.

www.indiawest.com

And read this perspective about how Vikram Sarabhai wooed U.R. Rao who was an overseas Indian talent but now ISRO has gone insular.

Why can’t India attract research talent?

A few Takshashila alumni and friends Kunal Singh, Varun Goel & Aravind Ilamaran have started a new opinion-analysis portal called Policy Wonks. I write about how there’s an oversupply of PhDs and…

nationalinterest.in

 

[Mantospace]

I already had a very bad feeling about this launch,yesterday itself.

Same thng coming up in my also.

 

[fire starter]

No the possibility of internal sabotage is more , considering that this launch is being intentionally delayed for more than a year and also GISAT is a military sat.

Guys plz no conspiracy theories it's a dual use satellite.

 

[Mantospace]

Big loss is satellite.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Here's a few overseas Indians elected to US NAE, the most sought after engineering membership in the world, in the field of aerospace.

Dr. Krishan Ahuja

Dr. Krishan K. Ahuja

For the development of quieter aerosystems and contributions to aeroacoustics research, literature, and education.

www.nae.edu

Dr. Satya Atluri

Dr. Satya N. Atluri

For contributions to computational methods for fracture mechanics and analysis of aerospace structures.

www.nae.edu

Dr. Siva Banda

Dr. Siva S. Banda

For leadership in the development of multivariable control theory and its applications to an array of military vehicles.

www.nae.edu

Are we saying we cannot attract any of this talent? You have to pay big but that's hw competitive aerospace is.

 

[ketaki]

Sh*t happens...move on

this rocket was just sitting in base for more than a year thanks to 2 launch scrubs + china virus

something must have corroded inside during that period

 

[Indx TechStyle]

You can justify all you want but the government's confidence in ISRO to launch humans into space would have fallen considerably.

Provide a source or official document government putting hold on HSP. Government works on qualification, not sentiments. They have seen bigger failures in their times.

Where do you work anyway? Your confidence is like at you're an AM at some department in ISRO or DOS. If you aren't, you are just acting like an idiot.

And this is the stupidest thing I have heard on this forum for a long time:
"Foreign Indian "talent" is not only mostly incompetent in the field but is unwilling to come to India too."

No offense but sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut than to say something and prove to everyone
you are an idiot.

Chinese are a living example of being able to attract top chinese talent with experience in in overseas space programs and education in top institutions like MIT, Caltech into their organizations. It is another thing that they even attracted foreigners.

IITs are no match for MIT or Caltech. IITs are way behind in R&D programs or technical exposure. At least IISc comes a bit close to top US universities in research. Aeronautical education and exposure is top notch in the top western universities. PhDs from MIT are sought after everywhere. You must be joking if you think that overseas Indians are incompetent.

Here's a few articles about "incompetent" overseas Indians:

Four Indian American teens among top winners in 2021 Regeneron Science Talent Search - The American Bazaar

Eshani Jha gets the top award; Gopal Goel, Vetri Vel and Alay Shah among winners.

www.americanbazaaronline.com

Here, read about Dr. Swait Mohan

Meet Swati Mohan, Indian-American scientist who dyed a strand of hair blue as she led the NASA Mars mission

She was calm, composed and in complete control as she spelt out every phase of NASA's Mars 2020 Perseverance Rover landing on the Red planet. Meet Dr Swati Mohan - born in India - now a NASA achiever.

www.timesnownews.com

Close to Three Dozen Indian American Young Researchers Named 2021 Barry Goldwater Scholars

The Barry Goldwater Scholarship & Excellence in Education Foundation recently announced its 2021 class of Goldwater Scholars, with close to at least three dozen Indian Americans among the group.

www.indiawest.com

A very successful Indian American in NASA:

Philanthropists Navin and Pratima Doshi Make Yet Another Donation: LA Gets Doshi Center for Integrative Medicine

LOS ANGELES, Calif. – In the midst of a global health crisis, the Maharishi International University opened the Doshi Center for Integrative Medicine here on the morning of May 14.

www.indiawest.com

And read this perspective about how Vikram Sarabhai wooed U.R. Rao who was an overseas Indian talent but now ISRO has gone insular.

Why can’t India attract research talent?

A few Takshashila alumni and friends Kunal Singh, Varun Goel & Aravind Ilamaran have started a new opinion-analysis portal called Policy Wonks. I write about how there’s an oversupply of PhDs and…

nationalinterest.in

Is it necessary to act like a PDF retard every time? Why do you even vomit nonsense on topics you don't know about? You have provided no objective argument and will accuse me of suppressing criticism useless whinning of no use if I delete your posts again. Any post without technical arguments is useless and this is the line what separates DFI from opinion making neighborhood forum.

Do you even realise that any of your talented white masters wouldn't have a role in launch failure if was made chief?

When you start insisting out of your inferiority complex mind that India studied people can't produce good things, why you just don't realise that Indians working in space sector overseas are too low in numbers? Since living in this country without any basic infrastructure, they built a major agency from scratch and could build space probes which found water on the moon.

This particular Indian American is a special case. So was UR Rao. Just as India in overall facing shortage in aerospace sector but ISRO individually is not. How many Indians would you get leaving NASA and visiting India? Can you provide any data instead of individual cases in news articles?
India is a lower-middle income country and its overall research infrastructure is underfunded while it has invested actually in sectors like space.

In 70s, Indians from institutions like IIT used to leave country after graduating. Then government started focusing on research and brain drain started dropping. Space tech is strategic in nature and is kept classified by countries which have. Most of Indians go for highly paid jobs and not passion. So they don't belong to this sector and don't have competency in it. Space technology only remains with handful of government and no, neither NRI students are exceptionally talented nor most of them have any knowledge of it.

China's case about getting tech is different since US was its sugar daddy rained tech on it during Laurel satellite scam and not Chinese brought everything from US themselves. They didn't have any less failures than India either in 90s.

These are same Indians which go to foreign or work in India. Their abilities are similar. Indians working in NASA don't have specifically high IQ over Indians working within India.

Mistakes can happen, engine didn't start probably because of manufacturing default (a QA issue) which doesn't have a role of a plant head or Indian/foreign engineer but factory supervisor.

These dreams of competing with US and EU in space are recent in India and are a result of rapid progress in last two decades by same people who have now become managers of ISRO, not woke overseas Indians.

As told before, engine has failed and it has a reason;

This is a fault of supply chain and QA department.

Cryo engine did not start. So, either a valve choked, sensor/actuator malfunctioned or shape was deformed.

I am also waiting for another response. After all, you are a field expert, at least looks like from your confidence.

But this was supposed to be a routine launch of a medium sized payload on a 'proven' cryogenic engine. In fact the configuration was much simpler than GSLV Mk3.

Explain please. How was it simple?

How CE-7.5 is simpler than CE-20?

 

[gslv markIII]

But this was supposed to be a routine launch of a medium sized payload on a 'proven' cryogenic engine.

CUS based on staged combustion cycle is far more complicated than the gas generator cycle based CE-20.

Ever heard of a CE-20 failure on test stand/ mid flight??

In fact the configuration was much simpler than GSLV Mk3.

On the contrary Mk2 is a more complicated ''compromise'' configuration.

 

[hawwk]

Provide a source or official document government putting hold on HSP. Government works on qualification, not sentiments. They have seen bigger failures in their times.

Where do you work anyway? Your confidence is like at you're an AM at some department in ISRO or DOS. If you aren't, you are just acting like an idiot.

Is it necessary to act like a PDF retard every time? Why do you even vomit nonsense on topics you don't know about? You have provided no objective argument and will accuse me of suppressing criticism useless whinning of no use if I delete your posts again. Any post without technical arguments is useless and this is the line what separates DFI from opinion making neighborhood forum.

Do you even realise that any of your talented white masters wouldn't have a role in launch failure if was made chief?

When you start insisting out of your inferiority complex mind that India studied people can't produce good things, why you just don't realise that Indians working in space sector overseas are too low in numbers? Since living in this country without any basic infrastructure, they built a major agency from scratch and could build space probes which found water on the moon.

This particular Indian American is a special case. So was UR Rao. Just as India in overall facing shortage in aerospace sector but ISRO individually is not. How many Indians would you get leaving NASA and visiting India? Can you provide any data instead of individual cases in news articles?
India is a lower-middle income country and its overall research infrastructure is underfunded while it has invested actually in sectors like space.

In 70s, Indians from institutions like IIT used to leave country after graduating. Then government started focusing on research and brain drain started dropping. Space tech is strategic in nature and is kept classified by countries which have. Most of Indians go for highly paid jobs and not passion. So they don't belong to this sector and don't have competency in it. Space technology only remains with handful of government and no, neither NRI students are exceptionally talented nor most of them have any knowledge of it.

China's case about getting tech is different since US was its sugar daddy rained tech on it during Laurel satellite scam and not Chinese brought everything from US themselves. They didn't have any less failures than India either in 90s.

These are same Indians which go to foreign or work in India. Their abilities are similar. Indians working in NASA don't have specifically high IQ over Indians working within India.

Mistakes can happen, engine didn't start probably because of manufacturing default (a QA issue) which doesn't have a role of a plant head or Indian/foreign engineer but factory supervisor.

These dreams of competing with US and EU in space are recent in India and are a result of rapid progress in last two decades by same people who have now become managers of ISRO, not woke overseas Indians.

As told before, engine has failed and it has a reason;

I am also waiting for another response. After all, you are a field expert, at least looks like from your confidence.


How CE-7.5 is simpler than CE-20?

I don't see why would there be an internal sabotage, we have launched ton of successful sats in the past.
also, scientists working for the gov. agencies are just underpaid. let's be honest, whether it's in the army or any other org.

Also haven't we tested our cryo engine beforehand?

Just wondering

 

[Indx TechStyle]

I don't see why would there be an internal sabotage, we have launched ton of successful sats in the past.
also, scientists working for the gov. agencies are just underpaid. let's be honest, whether it's in the army or any other org.


Just wondering

Stop churning out conspiracy theories. Our engine didn't start, we unfortunately failed this time. Assessment needed to avoid this again.

Chapter closed.

 

[hawwk]

Stop churning out conspiracy theories.

well i ain't doing that....

 

[Knowitall]

Please correct me if I am mistaken.

Generally before the rocket is assembled all its components and subcomponents are tested rigorously.

This time unfortunately the rocket had been assembled way back but the launch had been delayed due to multiple reasons and somewhere in this time frame a malfunction ended up taking place.

The way i see it this was a issue that popped up due to change in timelines. A one off thing that we have not faced before.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Please correct me if I am mistaken.

Generally before the rocket is assembled all its components and subcomponents are tested rigorously.

This time unfortunately the rocket had been assembled way back but the launch had been delayed due to multiple reasons and somewhere in this time frame a malfunction ended up taking place.

It is unlikely that they wouldn't have tested it before assembling again. This is a necessary procedure especially when rocket was grounded for an year. May be something went wrong with CUS during test and finally malfunctioned during launch.