Tactical Doge
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His state also became of the the reasons for Mysore's Haidar Ali's decline. Travancore offered the coastal access to the Dutch for payment in the Cochin region. Haidar Ali claimed suzerainty over the areas(he basically rose up the ladder by crushing poligars of individual estates) of Cochin, and this led to a war between the states of Travancore and Mysore. Travancore tag teamed with the English and Haidar Ali was defeated (well he died a year after starting the war and his son Tipu had to sign the treaty). After this war Mysore state was essentially ripped off by all 5 parties - Marathas, Nizam, Travancore, Arcot and the English.
There is need to be change in the old attitude and practice of keeping menstruating women out of places of worship (including temples) is therefore long overdue, considering as well that the Mimamsa (the Vedic / Hindu philosophy on rituals and traditions etc.) also advocates the immediate abandonment of traditions, customs and rituals which are now obsolete and outdated and appear to be detrimental to society presently, even though they might have had some positive aspect / use in the past and long ago.
There is a specific reason why menstruating women weren't allowed to temples, most of our ancient temples were on hills, at those times, it's difficult for even a normal person to climb up & it will be even more difficult for women during periods to go to temples on hills and hence they weren't allowed..& unlike what the leftists and liberandus claim,our scriptures and traditions don't hate menstruation but actually worship it. I know about 2 temples which worship menstruation ,one is in Kerala ( may be @Tactical Doge can give more info about it), and other is Kamakhya temple in Assam, where the murti of the Goddess is said to menstruate every month.There is need to be change in the old attitude and practice of keeping menstruating women out of places of worship (including temples) is therefore long overdue, considering as well that the Mimamsa (the Vedic / Hindu philosophy on rituals and traditions etc.) also advocates the immediate abandonment of traditions, customs and rituals which are now obsolete and outdated and appear to be detrimental to society presently, even though they might have had some positive aspect / use in the past and long ago.
Its not really about hills as there are countless ancient temples existing on ground level. It may be due to the dressing sense/ attire worn by women in those days. If you observe any ancient temple sculpture you would definitely find women wearing skimpy dresses which would be grouped under erotic even by present standards. There was a research carried out by a US based lady who argued that both men and women used to be bare breasted in those days and it was completely normal to be topless(I will try to find the link). Similarly the bottom body attire may have been inappropriate during the menstrual period due to which such customs were devised in order to maintain cleanliness and tranquility in temples. When we debate on traditions/mediaeval customs it has to be done within the confines of the social settings of the time. Otherwise it leads to blinkered vision.There is a specific reason why menstruating women weren't allowed to temples, most of our ancient temples were on hills, at those times, it's difficult for even a normal person to climb up & it will be even more difficult for women during periods to go to temples on hills and hence they weren't allowed..& unlike what the leftists and liberandus claim,our scriptures and traditions don't hate menstruation but actually worship it. I know about 2 temples which worship menstruation ,one is in Kerala ( may be @Tactical Doge can give more info about it), and other is Kamakhya temple in Assam, where the murti of the Goddess is said to menstruate every month.
I can guarantee you that women were not bare breasted. In Sundarakanda of Ramayana, the rakshasis in Lanka were like that, when Hanuman was searching for Sita in Lanka.Its not really about hills as there are countless ancient temples existing on ground level. It may be due to the dressing sense/ attire worn by women in those days. If you observe any ancient temple sculpture you would definitely find women wearing skimpy dresses which would be grouped under erotic even by present standards. There was a research carried out by a US based lady who argued that both men and women used to be bare breasted in those days and it was completely normal to be topless(I will try to find the link). Similarly the bottom body attire may have been inappropriate during the menstrual period due to which such customs were devised in order to maintain cleanliness and tranquility in temples. When we debate on traditions/mediaeval customs it has to be done within the confines of the social settings of the time. Otherwise it leads to blinkered vision.
Btw the researcher is Indian.I can guarantee you that women were not bare breasted. In Sundarakanda of Ramayana, the rakshasis in Lanka were like that, when Hanuman was searching for Sita in Lanka.
The US lady might have studied them.
Read any description from Ramayana, Mahabharata, Bhagawata... you won't find such attires of women. Neither do we see it passing down in culture.
Most importantly, we should stop relying on these western people to tell us how our ancestors were.
debatable, here's tulsi gowda in traditional attire. bare breasted doesn't necessarily mean they didn't cover upper half of their body.I can guarantee you that women were not bare breasted. In Sundarakanda of Ramayana, the rakshasis in Lanka were like that, when Hanuman was searching for Sita in Lanka.
The US lady might have studied them.
Read any description from Ramayana, Mahabharata, Bhagawata... you won't find such attires of women. Neither do we see it passing down in culture.
Most importantly, we should stop relying on these western people to tell us how our ancestors were.
Well the other member used the word 'topless' also.debatable, here's tulsi gowda in traditional attire. bare breasted doesn't necessarily mean they didn't cover upper half of their body.
there are two eras we have to take into consideration, pre-islamic and pre-christian-modernity eras and their individual impacts on each region.
In Kerala, covering breasts were seen as a privilege of Upper castesWell the other member used the word 'topless' also.
But doesn't bare breasted literally mean breasts are bare/uncovered?
The attire of women in Ancient Bharat was subject to indoozal taste there were not much restrictions in that regards.debatable, here's tulsi gowda in traditional attire. bare breasted doesn't necessarily mean they didn't cover upper half of their body.
there are two eras we have to take into consideration, pre-islamic and pre-christian-modernity eras and their individual impacts on each region.
@asaffronladoftherisingsun may throw some light on this.
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The consciousness of the people in those Yugas were highly elevated and hence nude women or women with small clothing were generally not seen as cum dumpsters.Well the other member used the word 'topless' also.
But doesn't bare breasted literally mean breasts are bare/uncovered?