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How come Bihar with just 8% of the population of India and lowest gdp per capita produces 30-35% of the IAS/IPS officers in India ?
if it’s not superior genetics then what is?
Simply because bad times create great men and also please elaborate on to which specific gene determines overall cognitive function? There is not one. There are different alleles ofcourse that contribute in varying degrees and there is huge contribution of socio economic status and external environment in it. Recently a guy from Indore got 65 crore prize from google for finding bugs in google. Was it genes?No.

People of states which have low level of industrialization and weak private sector look for govt jobs therefore you will not find many Gujarati people into Ias services.

Bihar Up walas have obsession with Sarkari Gaadi and thats single most contributing factor.
 

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A History of Mughal & Kachwaha Rajput Relations between the 16th and early 17th century.

To understand the history of Mughal Rajput relations we must understand the history of three dynasties who would come to dominate the Northern part of the Indian subcontinent between the 16th, 17th and early 18th centuries. To begin with we must take a look at the Mughals.

At the time when Babur first contemplated the idea of invading India he had already conquered Kabul. Zahir-ud-din Mohammed Babur, was the eldest of Umar Sheikh Mirza, who was governor of Ferghana, which is a region in eastern Uzbekistan. Babur was by lineage the great-great grandson of Timur. Babur's early military career was full of frustrations. Born in 1483, he had assumed the Throne of his father at age 12, in the year 1494. He conquered Samarkand two years later, only to lose Fergana soon after. In his attempts to reconquer Fergana, he lost control of Samarkand. In 1501, his attempt to recapture both the regions failed when Muhammad Shaybani Khan the founder of the Shaybanid dynasty, defeated him. He conquered Kabul, in 1504, after having being driven away from his patrimony and homeland. He formed an alliance with the Safavid Shah Ismail I, to take parts of Turkestan as well as Samarkand itself only to lose them again to the Shaybanids.

Hence, he had decided to give up on the dreams of taking back Ferghana and Samarkand and set his eyes on North India. At the time he had only thought of conquering the Punjab region. A task he accomplished in his second campaign in 1525, after a short campaign in 1519. Thus, at this juncture, we the political situation in North India was ripe for conflict and power changes. In Punjab, Babur prepared for a march towards Delhi to take it and all the realms under the rule of the Lodi Dynasty from Ibrahim Lodi who was currently the sultan of the Delhi Sultanate, whose own relatives, Daulat Khan Lodi and Alauddin had invited Babur to invade the Delhi Sultanate. Under the Lodi Dynasty the Sultanate had lost most of its eastern and southern as well as western territories and Ibrahim ruled over merely the Upper Gangetic plains.

Meanwhile, a third contender for power and perhaps bigger threat to Babur's rise was looming in the Rajputana, in the form of the Rajput Confederacy.


This Confederacy was formed under the auspicious leadership of Rana Sangram Singh, of House Sisodiya of Mewar
which had risen in prestige and power at the cost of neighbouring Malwa and Gujrat Sultanates during the reign of Rana Sangram other wise known as Rana Sanga.

The following events are well known, Babur defeated the Lodis at Panipat and then faced the Rajputs at Khanwa in 1527.

However after his victories at Chanderi and at Ghaghra, he soon died leaving the Empire to his son Humayun whose reign was turbulent and prospects uncertain until his son Akbar assumed the Throne.

Now let us look at the Sisodias Rajputs of Mewar. the historical foundation of this dynasty lies in the rise of Rana Hammir Singh, the founder of the Sisodiya Cadet Branch of the Guhila dynasty.

The Guhila dynasty was extinguished by Alauddin Khalji ( i am not sure whether they really went extinct :wink: ) after he besieged and conquered Chittor in 1303, their capital. But Rana Hammir Singh had taken back Chittor and since then reclaimed control of the region and re established the dynasty under its cadet branch of the Sisodias by 1326. Owing to the legendary exploits of their kings and being one of the few Hindu noble houses that had remained independent during the successive reigns of various dynasties at the helm of the Delhi Sultanate, the House of Mewar carried weight amongst Rajput nobility.

Apart from Rana Hammir Singh, two rulers in particular, Rana Kumbharna Singh (1433-1468) and his great grandson Rana Sangram Singh (1508-1528), had raised the prestige of the House of Mewar to astronomical heights by not only defeating neighbouring Sultanates in Gujurat, Nagaur, Delhi and Malwa, but infact under the reign of Rana Sangram, actually conquering Gujurat and Malwa.

Therefore, by 1526, most Rajput states had formed a Confederacy under the leadership of Rana Sanga. Ofcourse, following his defeat the Confederacy fell apart and while the house of Mewar still held a high place on the Rajput and indeed the Indian sociopolitical stage, there would never again be such a untied political front offered by the Rajputs.

In terms of the motivations and objectives of the Confederacy, it could be said that the Confederacy was buoyed together towards the political wills of the Rana of Mewar.

Rana Sanga had made a policy to attack and acquire the territories of his kingdom's old enemies such as the Sultanates of Delhi, Gujurat, Nagaur and Malwa, and at the same time remove any traces of Turkic or Afghan dominion in North India.

Therefore, it would be safe to say that had Babur not invaded Delhi and taken the Upper Ganga Valley, Rajputs under Rana would have quite soon. Among the many noble houses that had joined the Rajput Confederacy was the next dynasty which will complete the puzzle to understanding the key players in North India and Mughal-Rajput history.

This was the Kachwahas of Amber. This dynasty claimed it's descent from the son Kush of the legendary King Rama of Ayodhya. Their ancestors migrated from Rama's kingdom of Kosala and established a new dynasty at Gwalior. After 31 generations, they moved to Rajputana and created a kingdom at Dhundhar. Dullah Rai, one of the ancestors of the Kachwaha rulers, defeated the Meenas of Manchi and Amber and later completed the conquest of Dhundhar by defeating the Bargurjars of Dausa and Deoti. However, in the early 16th century, they were conquered and vassalised by the Rathore ruler Maldeo of the kingdom of Marwar.

In 1527, the ruler of Amber who had joined the Rajput Confederacy was Prithviraj Singh I. Prithviraj had fought at Khanwa and like Rana Sanga, died soon afterwards, being succeeded by his son Puranmal. After Puranmal's succession, which was quite controversial, the Kachwaha domain became unstable over disputes regarding the succession of Puranmal to the Throne.

This problem was only further exacerbated by neighbouring Rajput kingdoms that sought to capitalise on the situation. While accounts about Puranmal seeking the aid of Humayun are varying and quite contradictory we know for sure that after Puranmal, his brother Bhim Singh assumed the Throne. Bhim only reigned three and a half years before dying on 22 July 1537. He was succeeded in quick succession by two sons, Ratan Singh and Askaran, before the throne eventually passed to his younger brother Bharmal in 1548.

It is here that we arrive at a crucial juncture in Mughal-Rajput relations. In Mewar, the reigns were assumed by the 4th son of Rana Sanga, Maharana Udai Singh II, under whose reign the capital of Chittor was lost to Akbar in 1568 and the capital was shifted to Udaipur. Here his son, Maharana Pratap assumed the Throne after Udai died in 1572. Meanwhile, Akbar had overthrown his guardian Bairam Khan who had grown too ambitious and controlling and at the age of 18, the young Baadshaah of the Mughal Empire removed Bairam from service and continued his expeditions by directly controlling all affairs from 1560 onwards. Meanwhile, in 1562, the situation became critical for the Kachwahas of Amber when Mirza Muhammad Sharaf-ud-din Hussain was appointed Mughal governor of Mewat.

Mirza led a large army to Amber which Bharmal could not resist. Mirza forced the Kachwahas to leave Amber and live in forests and hills. Bharmal promised a fixed tribute to Mirza and handed over his own son, Jagannath, and his nephews, Raj Singh and Khangar Singh, as hostages for its due payment. When Sharaf-ud-din was preparing to invade Amber again, Bharmal met Akbar's courtier, Chaghtai Khan. Fortunately, for Bharmal, Akbar was at Karavali (a village near Agra) on his way from Agra to Ajmer (on a pilgrimage to the dargah of Khwaja Moinuddin Chisti). Bharmal himself met Akbar at his camp at Sanganer on 20 January 1562. Here, according to the Akbarnama, Bharmal proposed a marriage between Akbar and his eldest daughter Hira Kunwari. Therefore, when Akbar agreed, the Kachwahas were now relatives of Akbar, Bharmal was his father-in-law and was on par with the highest Muslim nobles of the Empire. Hence, Sharaf-ud-din Mirza, returned to Bharmal his lands and relatives and in the following years, the Kachwahas rendered unwavering service to the Mughals while they themselves enjoyed the highest salaries, status and prestige the Empire had to offer.

Hence, The House of Mewar, still held in the highest esteem by all Rajput nobility was in a period of decline and The House of Amber had united with the Mughals. Raja Bharmal was succeeded by his son Raja Bhagwant Das in 1574. He served as Akbar's General and was awarded a rank or mansab of 5000 along with the title of Amir-ul-Umra. He fought battles in Punjab, Kashmir where he decisively defeated the Kashmiri King Yousuf Shah Chak and Afghanistan as well and he held the governorship of Kabul. His daughter Manbhawati Bai was married off to the Mughal Prince and future Emperor Jehangir. He died in 1589 being succeeded by his son Raja Man Singh.

Raja Man Singh, assumed the Throne of Amber in 1589, but he had served with distinction at the Battle of Haldighati 1576 against the Maharana of Mewar, Maharana Pratap in a legendary battle, and in other campaigns as well. The reason why Akbar wanted to conquer Rajputana and especially Mewar was because with Mewar and the Rajputs at his flanks, his empire would never be secure, a fact he had learned by learning about the experiences of the Delhi Sultanate and their fruitless tussle with the Sisodiya dynasty. Yet, in his lifetime, Akbar could not conquer Mewar. Even after being defeated at Haldighati, where his army of 3000-4000 Rajputs was defeated by Man Singh who commanded the Imperial Mughal Army roughly 8000-10,000 in numbers, Pratap Singh endured and by the end of his reign, he scored a decisive victory against the Mughals at Dewair in 1582 and took back Western Mewar including Kumbhalgarh, Udaipur and Gogunda through guerilla warfare and even destroyed newly built mosques in these regions in retaliation. He died in 1597.

After his death, his son Maharana Amar Singh I (r. 1597-1620) assumed the Throne and followed his father's policy of resisting Mughal overlordship. Amar Singh continued to resist the Mughals and it was clear that he could not be taken in a battle, so Mewar was devastated financially and in manpower due to the policy of Shah Jahan (son of Jahangir, Jahangir had become Emperor in 1605 after Akbar's death) , to scorch the lands of Mewar and make it incapable of supporting the efforts of Amar Singh.

Finally, in 1615, Amar Singh submitted to the Mughals. Mewar including Chittor was assigned to him as Watan Jagir or hereditary patrimony. He secured a favourable peace treaty and it was ensured that Mewar would never bend his knee to the Mughal Emperors or serve at his court personally nor would the House of Mewar enter into matrimonial relations with the Mughals.

Hence, we see a clear policy emerging from the Mughals towards the Rajputs since the reign of Akbar. The first, religious tolerance and engagement at a political level, treating them as warriors and nobles on par with the Iranis or Turks in the Imperial service. The second, realising that the prestige of Mewar and the potential of the Rajputs uniting once again was an ever present threat and therefore it was better to assuage them. Third, following a policy of providing high posts and port folios to Rajput nobles who allied or accepted Mughal suzerainty. Fourth, matrimonial relations were never the prerequisite for such alliances as many Rajputs had previously simply accepted Mughal suzerainty and had acquired high posts for themselves.

Now in terms of contemporary social perceptions of such events,the attitudes in Rajputana and in general accross North India were shaped by the actions and decisions of the Rajput houses of Mewar and Amber. While Mewar only grew in prestige as the last stronghold and symbol of strength and resistance for the more conservative elements in Hindu society, the House of Amber was universally recognised as a house which produced some of the finest administrators and generals the Empire would ever know. And yet, the more conservative elements in Hindu society saw the House of Amber as traitors, ofcourse such opinions were never discussed in front of the Amber Rajas.

Until the reign of Aurangzeb, the Rajputs were more or less, united under the Mughal cause. The Kings Of Amber, fought and led expeditions as far west and Afghanistan and Qandahar and as east as Bengal and Odissa. Here are a few examples of their exploits :

In 1585, Man Singh I was sent to conquer Afghanistan and silence the rebels there. Man Singh decisively defeated five major tribes of the Afghans including Yusufzai and "Mandar" tribes. The flag of Amber was changed from "Katchanar" (green climber in white base) to "Pachranga" (five colored) to commemorate this victory. This flag continued in use until accession of Jaipur state in India. This permanently crushed the revolt and the area remained peaceful thereafter.

In 1586 CE, Akbar sent another army under Raja Bhagwant Das, father of Prince Man Singh I to win Kashmir
. Kashmir was included in the Mughal Empire and made a Sarkar (district) of Kabul province.

Man Singh I also conquered Bihar in similar fashion. Abul Fazl has described Man Singhs campaign in Bihar in the following words. "The Raja united ability with courage and genius with strenuous action".

Man Singh after conquering Bihar was ordered to defeat the Afghan Sultan Qatlu Khan Lohani of Orissa, Man Singh set out for Orissa on April 1590. By 1592, Odissa was also conquered by him.

His grandson Jai Singh I (r. 1621 - 1667) was another great General of the Mughal Empire. He was the second Raja to receive the title Mirza Raja, the first being his grandfather Man Singh I who received it from Akbar. During his career he served first in the Deccan, subduing the Gonds and then in Central Asia, fighting at Kandahar in the Mughal Safavid wars and at Balkh.

Jai Singh, who had begun his own military career in the Deccan, was then appointed to lead a 14,000 strong army against Shivaji.

And in 1665, he forced Shivaji to sign the Treaty of Purandar being the only noble in the Empire to subdue the Maratha King. Although the opportunity his victories provided were made meaningless thanks to Aurangzeb's inability to compromise on his orthodox beliefs and accept Shivaji into his court with proper honours.

In conclusion, until the reign of Aurangzeb, whose interference into the succession matters of Rajput states, a matter which was left to the Rajputs by Akbar himself, the Rajputs, especially the house of Amber, continued to serve the Empire with loyalty and distinction. Both to serve the interests of the Empire and the interests of their own houses and kingdoms as well.

Sources :

"A History of Jaipur" by Sir Jadunath Sarkar

"Shivaji and His Times" By Jadunath Sarkar

" Medieval India: From Sultanat to the Mughals (1206–1526) Part 2" by Satish Chandra

"Akbarnama" by Abu'l-Fazl ibn Mubarak, Henry Beveridge (Trans.)

"A Military History of India" by Sir Jadunath Sarkar

"History and Culture of the Indian People Volume VII : The Mughal Empire" by R.C Majumdar

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Busting narratives: Why Shivaji Rajput dichotomy is false
March 1, 2022, 1:09 PM IST Adityakrishna Deora and Yugeshwar Kaushal in Voices, India, TOI

Recently, Harvard Professor Suraj Yengde, Assistant Professor at Department of African and American African Studies at Harvard, tweeted that “if king shivaji was rajput he would’ve submitted to the mughals as a servant & merrily married his females into the muslim turk nobility. The history of India is also a story of rajput-mughal alliance. rajput-in laws gained favors as mansabdars, jagirdars in the mughal courts.”



For the past two decades since the rise of Hindutva and Ambedkarism
, the political discourse about Indian History has been shaped by narratives of Maratha supremacism which was created by Marathi Brahmins in the 19 th century.

Both Hindutva and Ambedkarism, are inextricably Marathi by origin and share a similar Marathi understanding of North India. For them, ridiculing the Kshatriyas is a necessary part of promoting their own history.

Thus the past few years have witnessed repetition of hate propaganda against the Kshatriyas emanating from the very powerful and all-pervasive lobbies of Deccani filmmakers or Marathi owned media Houses. Hindutvavadi Movies like

Tanhaji(2020) by Om Raut, a maratha,and Jodha Akbar (2008) by Ashutosh Gowariker, a Marathi brahmin, are few examples.

Comparing Gowariker’s eulogistic portrayal of the Peshwas with dismissive portrayal of the Kshatriyas and Jats in Panipat- the Great Betrayal (2019) exemplifies this normalised trend. Rightwing authors like Dr Uday Kulkarni regularly berate the Rajputs (Kshatriyas) to promote a larger-than-life picture of the Peshwas.

Seven years back, Girish Shahane, a Marathi brahmin and an art curator, wrote a denigrating article dismissing the Kshatriyas as defeat-specialists and even mocked figures like Maharana Sanga, Pratap and Prithviraj Chauhan. Since then, a particular media platform which is owned by businessman Samir Patil (a Maratha) has regularly reshared the article almost every month. Many in the Left and liberal circles gleefully shared Shahane’s diatribe, ignoring that Shahane was only echoing views of Guru Golwalkar on the Kshatriya community of North India (Rajputs).

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However,when a senior academic like Yengde who teaches at Harvard makes such casteist and misinformed statements, it is problematic for many reasons.To assess the inherent ignorance in Yengde’s boastful statement, an objective reading of History of Deccan is needed.

In 1307, Allaudin Khilji defeated Ramchandra Jadhav, the Seuna Yadav ruler of Deogiri and married his daughter Jhatyapali.
(History of Khaljis, K.S. Lal).

Ramchandra served as vassal of Khilji and was an ancestor of Jijabai, mother of Shivaji. Alauddin II Bahman Shah married the Maratha princess of Sangameshwar, while Firoz Shah Bahmani married another Maratha princess from Sangameshwar.

(History of Dekkan, translation of Ferishtah by Jonathan Scott, pg 113).

In return, Bahmani Sultans conferred upon Marathas the Deshmukhi and Deshpandyagiri of lands, military ranks and Jagirs for maintenance of horses etc besides composing them into garrisons of the forts
(Duff Grant, History of Mahrattas, Vol. I, 1974, pg 25–29).

The Bahmanis were replaced by Adilshahi Sultanate (also called Bijapur Sultanate).

Yusuf AdilShah(1489–1510) married sister Jamkhind’s Brahmin ruler Mukundrao, who became famous as Punji Khatun. She was the mother of Ismail Adil Shah. Adil Ali Shah’s mother was a Maratha Princess too.

In his History of Aurangzeb, Jadunath Sarkar mentions that Rajaram Bhosle married his two daughters to Muslim ruler of Gondwana.

Maasir-i-Alamgiri mentions that Sambhaji’s daughter was married to Sikander Shah Bijapuri. In fact, such marriages even involved the Ahoms and the Mughals.

Ramani Gabharu, a niece of Lachit Borphukan, was married to Qutb-uddin Muhammad Azam, who was Mughal emperor briefly, and took the name ‘Rahmat Banu Begum’.:)
(Surya Kumar Bhuyan, Atan Buragohain and His times, p. 31).


It must be remembered that political marriages or mansabdari were practical routes to peace and stability for rulers, who also took to rebellion when needed.

Duff writes that the Ahmednagar Sultanate (also called Nizamshahis) depended so heavily on Maratha soldiers that he disbanded most of his foreign troops and enlisted 30,000 Deccan horsemen.

The Bhosles, Shirkes, Ghatges, Mohites, Dafles and Ghorpades were prominent warlords of the Deccan Sultans.

Jadhav Rao, the grandfather of Shivaji, was enlisted by the Mughals in 1620 after he quit the service of Malik Ambar.
(Grant Duff, Vol 1, p. 36).

His lineage served both Shah Jahan and Aurangzeb off and on.

In fact, his grandson Shivaji assisted the Mughal army as the head of 2000 horsemen and 7000 foot-soldiers in 1665
(JN Sarkar, Military Despatches, 102-103).

M Athar Ali highlights in The Mughal Nobility under Aurangzeb (p. 35)
that there were 96 Maratha mansabdars as against 72 Rajput mansabdars under Aurangzeb

from 1679 – 16 had rank of 5000. 18 had a rank of 3000-4000 and 62 had a rank of 1000.

Shivaji’s father Shahaji Bhosle led forces of Bijapur against the Kempegowdas of Bengaluru
. In return for his loyal services and his military success against Kempegowda, Shahaji was bestowed the jagir of Bengaluru. The Bhosles also led Bijapur armies against the Nayaks of Thanjavur, thereby becoming governors of the region.

As the Bijapur Sultanate declined, Venkoji, the brother of Shivaji, declared himself a sovereign.

After being defeated by Rajputs led byJaipur ruler Jai Singh I at Purandar, Shivaji was helped by the former to gain pardon and mansabdari under the Mughals.

Shivaji constantly shifted sides between Mughals and Bijapur Sultans, until the weakening of the latter created a local political vacuum and opportunity for him. This led to the rise of Shivaji, however, even until 1708, Maratha rulers needed permission from Mughal ruler Bahadur Shah I in succession.

Unlike the popular misconception, the Maratha Empire was more Brahminical than the so-called Rajput polities of North, whose culture was a junction between many religions including Jainism and Buddhism. History is an interesting subject, provided it is not used for political propaganda to further caste, religious or regionalist chauvinism. As an Indian scholar at Harvard, Professor Yengde must remember he represents all Indians – not just his caste or region.

some replies to his tweet were outright savage :lol:


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I would just add that it was Shivaji who invited Aurangzeb to Deccan in 1648 to save his father a** & offer his subordination rest just leave it there :wink:

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Just to clarify there are some mistakes in my last post, i posted regarding relation between Mughal & Kachwaha Rajputs in early 16th & 17th century... but overall a good article not by me though.
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Very well written article
Why don't you cut the clutter and do this
Just write abstract points, sentences, or mere words
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Just short points to explain why you question the Nationalism of Shivaji, or is the Anguish directed at Bhakts of his cult personality by Turning it about the guy himself


Short points see?
 

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article is not written by me...as for Nationalism of Shivaji i am not questioning it.....i am outright denying it's existence historically.
Abstract points
Doest necessarily have to be your intellectual output, can quote other twitter threads as well
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Vai look at what he is trying to do and act accordingly. This is the same alt guy.
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Please check poster pakissupapowa

He is another alt of the same Paki guy who was trying to foment Rajput, brahmin, maratha and other caste wars here on the forum. Go through his posts. I believe this is yet another attempt to sow discord here.

DFI members observe his posting pattern.
No He is an Indian and I am very much convinced so, but he use the forum to do caste kanging, he posts some good stuff nonetheless, but people diss him off
He just has to tame his caste kanging so more people take him seriously, some people are wired to do caste kanging
There is also a chance that he is a Ch@mar/SC ST depraved guy trying to incite caste flame wars between Brahmin and Kshatriya or rajput and Maratha, I have myself encountered such creatures on the internet
Interesting case
 

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No He is an Indian and I am very much convinced so, but he use the forum to do caste kanging, he posts some good stuff nonetheless, but people diss him off
He just has to tame his caste kanging so more people take him seriously, some people are wired to do caste kanging
There is also a chance that he is a Ch@mar/SC ST depraved guy trying to incite caste flame wars between Brahmin and Kshatriya or rajput and Maratha, I have myself encountered such creatures on the internet
Interesting case
Nah I am fairly certain this is an alt. Look at his account creation date. I also can make some of the patterns or type of posts he writes. His way of writing and presenting has not changed. Obviously this judgement is prone to errors and bias.
 

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article is written in TOI...... not by me....second this is a General history thread , i have every right to write or correct misconceptions regarding history. You are free to give counter arguments or your own point of view regarding history no one is stopping you. Question need to be asked is why you are so much triggered by my posts ? Have i lied ? answer is no , have i made false claim , answer is no....so why you are triggered so much ?
You didn't lie, you didn't make false claim
You just copy paste stuff

Now address my earlier post
 

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Root cause of caste wars, degradation of Hinduism lies in politics of Maharashtra of 19th & early 20th century.....since you asked for twitter link i will post bunch of them


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Marathi literary tradition of Shivaji begins with Jotirao Phule's Chhatrapati Shivaji Yanche Pawad - the origin of Shivaji's personality building.


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now this had wide consequence down the line from creation of new movements , hindu organization like Arya samaj , caste riots, religious riots to creating atmosphere against Rajput princely states & UC in general, history faking etc. I will post more such links going forward but on chit chat thread. Let Leave this one for General history.
So if I have to condense what your sources are saying "Shivaji as a nationalist never existed neither did Hindavi Swarajya, but his Nationalist side is a recent creation"

Very Reasonable argument, where may I read on this particular topic
 

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Nah I am fairly certain this is an alt. Look at his account creation date. I also can make some of the patterns or type of posts he writes. His way of writing and presenting has not changed. Obviously this judgement is prone to errors and bias.
He's an Indian. There's a bunch of similar caste kangers on Twitter.
 

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Issue is this that dfi don't involve in these caste based bullshit and we respect our ancestors , irrespective of their caste or geographical area of serving , but that poster is trying to create caste wars and @Tactical Doge please keep your caste prejudices down , hindus should stop this non sense of caste and look at getting more United and solving differences.



He's an Indian. There's a bunch of similar caste kangers on Twitter.
 

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