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His state also became of the the reasons for Mysore's Haidar Ali's decline. Travancore offered the coastal access to the Dutch for payment in the Cochin region. Haidar Ali claimed suzerainty over the areas(he basically rose up the ladder by crushing poligars of individual estates) of Cochin, and this led to a war between the states of Travancore and Mysore. Travancore tag teamed with the English and Haidar Ali was defeated (well he died a year after starting the war and his son Tipu had to sign the treaty). After this war Mysore state was essentially ripped off by all 5 parties - Marathas, Nizam, Travancore, Arcot and the English.
Travancore should be talked about a lot more- they had a written education policy back in 1925, and the Queen sponsored it, whereas India's first comprehensive education policy came out in 1987
 

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Key of the city of Tokyo presented to Indian judge Dr Radhabinod Pal after his verdict on the infamous Tokyo trials of ww2.
Victoria memorial, Kolkata.
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Extremely Rare "King of the Jinn" coin issued in Deccan in between 1800-1900.
Sadly all surviving pieces were stolen and reside in British museum and this one is in Oxford's Ashmolean museum. No example of this coin survives in India.
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There is need to be change in the old attitude and practice of keeping menstruating women out of places of worship (including temples) is therefore long overdue, considering as well that the Mimamsa (the Vedic / Hindu philosophy on rituals and traditions etc.) also advocates the immediate abandonment of traditions, customs and rituals which are now obsolete and outdated and appear to be detrimental to society presently, even though they might have had some positive aspect / use in the past and long ago.
 

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There is need to be change in the old attitude and practice of keeping menstruating women out of places of worship (including temples) is therefore long overdue, considering as well that the Mimamsa (the Vedic / Hindu philosophy on rituals and traditions etc.) also advocates the immediate abandonment of traditions, customs and rituals which are now obsolete and outdated and appear to be detrimental to society presently, even though they might have had some positive aspect / use in the past and long ago.
There is a specific reason why menstruating women weren't allowed to temples, most of our ancient temples were on hills, at those times, it's difficult for even a normal person to climb up & it will be even more difficult for women during periods to go to temples on hills and hence they weren't allowed..& unlike what the leftists and liberandus claim,our scriptures and traditions don't hate menstruation but actually worship it. I know about 2 temples which worship menstruation ,one is in Kerala ( may be @Tactical Doge can give more info about it), and other is Kamakhya temple in Assam, where the murti of the Goddess is said to menstruate every month.
 

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There is a specific reason why menstruating women weren't allowed to temples, most of our ancient temples were on hills, at those times, it's difficult for even a normal person to climb up & it will be even more difficult for women during periods to go to temples on hills and hence they weren't allowed..& unlike what the leftists and liberandus claim,our scriptures and traditions don't hate menstruation but actually worship it. I know about 2 temples which worship menstruation ,one is in Kerala ( may be @Tactical Doge can give more info about it), and other is Kamakhya temple in Assam, where the murti of the Goddess is said to menstruate every month.
Its not really about hills as there are countless ancient temples existing on ground level. It may be due to the dressing sense/ attire worn by women in those days. If you observe any ancient temple sculpture you would definitely find women wearing skimpy dresses which would be grouped under erotic even by present standards. There was a research carried out by a US based lady who argued that both men and women used to be bare breasted in those days and it was completely normal to be topless(I will try to find the link). Similarly the bottom body attire may have been inappropriate during the menstrual period due to which such customs were devised in order to maintain cleanliness and tranquility in temples. When we debate on traditions/mediaeval customs it has to be done within the confines of the social settings of the time. Otherwise it leads to blinkered vision.
 

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Its not really about hills as there are countless ancient temples existing on ground level. It may be due to the dressing sense/ attire worn by women in those days. If you observe any ancient temple sculpture you would definitely find women wearing skimpy dresses which would be grouped under erotic even by present standards. There was a research carried out by a US based lady who argued that both men and women used to be bare breasted in those days and it was completely normal to be topless(I will try to find the link). Similarly the bottom body attire may have been inappropriate during the menstrual period due to which such customs were devised in order to maintain cleanliness and tranquility in temples. When we debate on traditions/mediaeval customs it has to be done within the confines of the social settings of the time. Otherwise it leads to blinkered vision.
I can guarantee you that women were not bare breasted. In Sundarakanda of Ramayana, the rakshasis in Lanka were like that, when Hanuman was searching for Sita in Lanka.
The US lady might have studied them.
Read any description from Ramayana, Mahabharata, Bhagawata... you won't find such attires of women. Neither do we see it passing down in culture.

Most importantly, we should stop relying on these western people to tell us how our ancestors were.
 

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I can guarantee you that women were not bare breasted. In Sundarakanda of Ramayana, the rakshasis in Lanka were like that, when Hanuman was searching for Sita in Lanka.
The US lady might have studied them.
Read any description from Ramayana, Mahabharata, Bhagawata... you won't find such attires of women. Neither do we see it passing down in culture.

Most importantly, we should stop relying on these western people to tell us how our ancestors were.
Btw the researcher is Indian.
Quoting the article:-

the clothes worn by women (and men) in Ancient India. For thousands of years, the attire worn by women and men in India had similar designs β€” a lower garment (antariya), an upper garment (uttariya) and a kayabandh (cloth tied around the waist). All these were single pieces and unstitched. The breasts were exposed for both men and women but women often chose to tie the uttariya tightly around their breasts (perhaps the ones with bigger breasts) while others threw it loosely over their chests. Some women added a fourth piece of cloth too as per their style preferences. There was absolutely no shame associated with displaying one’s breasts or cleavage. This is why mothers breastfed their babies without worrying about being judged. The loose and flexible styles of dressing were suited to the warm and wet climates of India.
 

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I can guarantee you that women were not bare breasted. In Sundarakanda of Ramayana, the rakshasis in Lanka were like that, when Hanuman was searching for Sita in Lanka.
The US lady might have studied them.
Read any description from Ramayana, Mahabharata, Bhagawata... you won't find such attires of women. Neither do we see it passing down in culture.

Most importantly, we should stop relying on these western people to tell us how our ancestors were.
debatable, here's tulsi gowda in traditional attire. bare breasted doesn't necessarily mean they didn't cover upper half of their body.
there are two eras we have to take into consideration, pre-islamic and pre-christian-modernity eras and their individual impacts on each region.

@asaffronladoftherisingsun may throw some light on this.

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debatable, here's tulsi gowda in traditional attire. bare breasted doesn't necessarily mean they didn't cover upper half of their body.
there are two eras we have to take into consideration, pre-islamic and pre-christian-modernity eras and their individual impacts on each region.
Well the other member used the word 'topless' also.
But doesn't bare breasted literally mean breasts are bare/uncovered? πŸ˜ƒ
 

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Well the other member used the word 'topless' also.
But doesn't bare breasted literally mean breasts are bare/uncovered? πŸ˜ƒ
In Kerala, covering breasts were seen as a privilege of Upper castes
The Lower castes women even did Satyagrah inorder get the same privileges as others, which includes not just covering up, but golden ornaments and right to carry the Umbrella
 

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debatable, here's tulsi gowda in traditional attire. bare breasted doesn't necessarily mean they didn't cover upper half of their body.
there are two eras we have to take into consideration, pre-islamic and pre-christian-modernity eras and their individual impacts on each region.

@asaffronladoftherisingsun may throw some light on this.

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The attire of women in Ancient Bharat was subject to indoozal taste there were not much restrictions in that regards.
 

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Dressing sense depended from women to women in all times in history of Bharatvarsh. There was never one uniform dresscode nor dressing sense. The ancient Bharatvarsh was a great piece of land which was approx three times bigger than what we have today.
 

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Well the other member used the word 'topless' also.
But doesn't bare breasted literally mean breasts are bare/uncovered? πŸ˜ƒ
The consciousness of the people in those Yugas were highly elevated and hence nude women or women with small clothing were generally not seen as cum dumpsters.
 

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"For no language of the past have we a record comparable to Pāṇini's record of his mother tongue, nor is it likely that any language spoken today will be so perfectly recorded" –– Language (1933) by Leonard Bloomfield[father of the American Distributionalist theory of language]

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