General History Thread

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[Hari Sud]

(Reposted …..)

James Mill - Corrupted History of India

The first ever History of India was written by a Scottish historian, economist, political theorist, and a school teacher - James Mill, (who earlier had been dismissed as a priest). It was completed in 1817. By this time Briton had occupied large swaths of Indian land after the Battle of Plassey and Buxor, but were not masters of India. Central India was Maratha territory, Maharaja Ranjit Singh ruled Punjab up-to Khyber and Rajputs ruled Rajputana, hence what James Mill wrote was a three volume history of India partly held by the British. India was not British yet. In his highly objectionable, history of India dating back 4000 years and without knowing India, he wrote about the superiority of the white race and set the tone of imperialism in India. According to him, the white man is there to civilise the inferior Asians.

This thought was corrected by Max Muller (a German professor paid at Oxford, working for the East India Company) who studied Indian philosophy, culture, religion and history extensively. Max Muller believed that while the white man reigns in India, but India has thousands of years of culture and is not inferior. Rather, his book - “India -What Can it Teach Us”, puts a good spin on India. Still the racist character as proposed by James Mill became the buzz word of British rule when Governor General/Viceroys and civil servants (ICS officers) were appointed and trained with these racist views were instilled into them.

In 1840; when there was an urgent need of clerks by the East India Company, schools were opened in the British territories. Chief proponent of clerical type of education was Thomas Macaulay. In his discourse to the British Parliament titled… MACAULAY'S MINUTE ON INDIAN EDUCATION (1935), he emphasized the need for inferior clerical type schools for locals in India, hence the Indian school system was born with an emphasis on English, Mathematics and British History. There was no suitable book on Indian history.

The current Indian history taught in the Indian schools till 1950s, was authored by later generations of James Mill supporters and helped by a few Indian authors including Sir Sayyid Ahmad Khan in 1860s or so. This history curriculum was initially divided into three sections. The Hindu part till 1190 AD was summarized into a few chapters and the Muslim era till the death of Aurangzeb was glorified and was about a third of history lessons. Remaining forty percent consisted of British rule since Robert Clive.

That is what, I studied in school in 1950s. I knew more about the British monarchs and the British Viceroys and also about Babur, Akbar and Aurangzeb and mutiny of 1857 which badly portrayed into young Indian minds. Not much was taught about great Hindu Kings like Ashoka, Chandragupta, Harshvardhan, Chola kings, or exploits of Hindu kings who went to South East Asia and established Indian colonies there.

This was all due to the racist overtones established by James Mill and his followers who perpetuated imperial rule. After the British left in 1947, it took 30 years for independent India to put the emphasis on India back into textbooks.

Part 2….. later

 

[Suryavanshi]

It absolutely baffles me as to how ghurid were able to enter all the way to Bengal.

It's as if after the Rajput belt their was no resistance to them in the Gangetic plain

 

[gutenmorgen]

It absolutely baffles me as to how ghurid were able to enter all the way to Bengal.

It's as if after the Rajput belt their was no resistance to them in the Gangetic plain

It was done in multiple raids. After Ajmer conquest in 1192 (after loosing first in 1191), it took till 1205 for them to reach Bengal. In fact it was in 1203 when Chandela kingdom lost (present day eastern UP and Bihar). Thats more than a decade.
No point repeating this but the main reason was the disunity to the point of insanity among Indian kingdoms.

 

[Butter Chicken]

 

[Tactical Doge]

An 80s documentary about Kalaripayattu made by the British
Absolute recommended watch

 

[Tiwariji]

Bandhavgarh has this beautiful ancient statue of Vishnu in sleeping position . Some say a symbol of reality being the dream of God .

 

[Master Chief]

We think he is equal to bandera both got shot dead and died a dogs death. Their memories are rekindled by people who no longer live in reality.

It was Gandhi who made the independence movement a grass roots movement.. It had a big role in uniting a 90 percent illiterate populace in a cause where they felt they were part of something bigger.
When the first movie on Shaheed Bhagat Singh was made post independence not many Indians were even aware of him. But, almost every Indian living in the 40s was aware of Gandhi. My Grand father in South India, too was Inspired by Gandhi; crossed the British multiple times with some fellow villagers, and was thrown in jail multiple times as well.. I don't agree with a lot of things Gandhi did, but the dude played his part in the freedom struggle gaining momentum..

 

[Varzone]

It was Gandhi who made the independence movement a grass roots movement.. It had a big role in uniting a 90 percent illiterate populace in a cause where they felt they were part of something bigger.
When the first movie on Shaheed Bhagat Singh was made post independence not many Indians were even aware of him. But, almost every Indian living in the 40s was aware of Gandhi. My Grand father in South India, too was Inspired by Gandhi; crossed the British multiple times with some fellow villagers, and was thrown in jail multiple times as well.. I don't agree with a lot of things Gandhi did, but the dude played his part in the freedom struggle gaining momentum..

Valid point but what of the opportunity cost of some other leader than Gandhi leading the effort.
How do you see his role post getting Independence? That's where most of the criticism comes from, also his acceptance of British lies that Indian sacrifices in WWs are going to get India Independence and delaying it for decades.

 

[Master Chief]

Valid point but what of the opportunity cost of some other leader than Gandhi leading the effort.
How do you see his role post getting Independence? That's where most of the criticism comes from, also his acceptance of British lies that Indian sacrifices in WWs are going to get India Independence and delaying it for decades.

There is just no other leader who had the grass roots level impact at the time that Gandhi had.. So, it's just a thought exercise, wondering about the opportunity cost.. Anyway, he was also like a dictator who kept meddling in Indian politics after Independence and had become a liability after Independence..
But, then, if it were not for the 2 world wars bankrupting the British empire, the British would have held on for longer.. The costs of running the empire were piling up, exceeding their gains from India, during the final decades of British rule, and after being wrecked Financially by two world wars, the British simply did not have the stamina to stay in India..

 

[Varzone]

There is just no other leader who had the grass roots level impact at the time that Gandhi had.. So, it's just a thought exercise, wondering about the opportunity cost.. Anyway, he was also like a dictator who kept meddling in Indian politics after Independence and had become a liability after Independence..
But, then, if it were not for the 2 world wars bankrupting the British empire, the British would have held on for longer.. The costs of running the empire were piling up, exceeding their gains from India, during the final decades of British rule, and after being wrecked Financially by two world wars, the British simply did not have the stamina to stay in India..

Two pronged approach with Sardar Patel and Bose? Didn't we have congress for the purpose of having a large community of independent voices in the first place?
Should've been a guerilla war throughout, it's a shame we were colonized by a few thousand britishers with people obeying their command in India.
That to me is the biggest scar of that time, looting and destroying our industry and education.
They used famine to great effect too.

After Independence Gandhi was absolutely useless and retarded so I gauge him as a very big negative.
He altered the timeline by making stupid decisions and we are here as a nation still half naked and empty stomach after 75 years of Independence.

The quality of human resource is just shocking in India too, we are actually the top 10%, you should see the mindset of people which is still so backward and archaic. Slowly things are going in right direction though.
We need to immigrate all the NRIs to a smart city in India where quality human resource can gather, anyhow most of the big corporations have huge indian talent and management working. There is no industry that Indians don't have experience in 2022.

That alone will catapult us higher than any country with no competition. No Switzerland or New Zealand will be able to compete with the quality of life. No America, France or Germany will be able to compete in technology. We just need to congregate them but for that we need the best policies and infrastructure to attract them.

Sadly reforms are very slow, this is the only obstacle.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

It was Gandhi who made the independence movement a grass roots movement.. It had a big role in uniting a 90 percent illiterate populace in a cause where they felt they were part of something bigger.

That is nonsense. Gandhi was born after first war of independence. It was grassroot movement since inception of it. 35k Purbiya Rajputs and 31k were Purbiya Brahmans spearheading war of independence. Even before 1857ad the revolts were numerous elsewhere. There was no Gandhi. There was no congress.

When the first movie on Shaheed Bhagat Singh was made post independence not many Indians were even aware of him. But, almost every Indian living in the 40s was aware of Gandhi. My Grand father in South India, too was Inspired by Gandhi; crossed the British multiple times with some fellow villagers, and was thrown in jail multiple times as well

And given full vip treatment and awards too.

I don't agree with a lot of things Gandhi did, but the dude played his part in the freedom struggle gaining momentum..

1885ad-1907ad onwards. Name which of congress leader from vc banerjee surendranath banerjee firoz shah mehta ranade including Gandhi. None of them ever called the war of independence as war of independence. Kisi ne kaha mutiniy kisi ne kaha gadar. This proves that the acknowledgement and presentation of the emotion of "freedom" was always missing in gandhian brigade.

There is just no other leader who had the grass roots level impact at the time that Gandhi had.. So, it's just a thought exercise, wondering about the opportunity cost.. Anyway, he was also like a dictator who kept meddling in Indian politics after Independence and had become a liability after Independence..
But, then, if it were not for the 2 world wars bankrupting the British empire, the British would have held on for longer.. The costs of running the empire were piling up, exceeding their gains from India, during the final decades of British rule, and after being wrecked Financially by two world wars, the British simply did not have the stamina to stay in India..

Gandhi was confirm brits agent. If Hindus take weapons fight the coomer brits that is Violence

But If Indian Soldiers fight to support the brtis side is Non Violence .

The Love of britfags for Gandhi

1989-1900 - The Boer War Medals
1906 - Service Medal
1906 - Kaisar-i-Hind Medal
1939 -

He even wrote a letter to rajendra prasad saying plz show britfag flag in our flag to pay tribute for britfags for qutting India. Forget any grassroot lullz contribution for independence.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

, it's a shame we were colonized by a few thousand britishers

Go eat dirt you are a colonized scum yourself. Tu toh guaranteed swarabhaskar ki paidaish hai. Sanghi jibes are because usually made by her kotha spawns anyways.

 

[Master Chief]

That is nonsense. Gandhi was born after first war of independence. It was grassroot movement since inception of it. 35k Purbiya Rajputs and 31k were Purbiya Brahmans spearheading war of independence. Even before 1857ad the revolts were numerous elsewhere. There was no Gandhi. There was no congress.

The First War of Independence was not really a grass roots movement nor a pan India movement. The rebellions involved British sepoys in the Indo Gangetic plains, and did not involve the Indian sepoys in Bombay or Madras presidencies..
Also, the Rebellion in the north involved mainly upper caste Hindu and Muslim sepoys ( in Delhi they chose Mughal Bahadur Shah as the titular head ), with barely any involvement of the lower castes who form the bulk of Hindus..

So, the first War of Independence while commendable, neither had the breadth or the depth, of the Pan India grass roots movement that Gandhi inspired, which inspired even the lower castes to participate in the independence movement..

Screenshot of Areas involved in the Revolt in 1857

 

[Indrajit]

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

neither had the breadth or the depth, of the Pan India grass roots movement that Gandhi inspired, which inspired even the lower castes to participate in the independence movement..

Which pan India grassroot movement did gandhi launch?

There were distinct movements in south of Bharat. For example the ones spearheaded by Rani Velu. Gandhi was not even born then. Her infantry consisted of Varna 4 as well in enough numbers.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Gandhi inspiring pan India grassroot movement is ridiculous and greatest joke of 20th century.

चोरों से निपटने के नायाब तरीक़े - via Gandhi, Hind Swarajya, Chapter 16:

Yeh aadmi kya freedom movement inspire karega? Padh isko.

 

[shade]

Which pan India grassroot movement did gandhi launch?

There were distinct movements in south of Bharat. For example the ones spearheaded by Rani Velu. Gandhi was not even born then. Her infantry consisted of Varna 4 as well in enough numbers.

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He did have a grassroots movement all over India though.
You have to wonder though, why would a racist, Imperialist foreign regime allow this to go on without any repercussions? why was a half-clothed "Saint"'s utterances of Freedom( I know it didn't start off as full Independence, just greater rights for us poor savages ) and national unity spread all across the country ?



That is the question to be asked.

Perhaps eventually, the Anglo realised than an urge for freedom from cumskinned parasites would cause an independence movement across the country, and rather than it be out of control with different leaders, better a Saint who empathises with the poor be raised to co-opt this sentiment, so as to ensure a peaceful transition of power with all the Macaulay's Children intact in case anything untoward happens...
Like destitution stemming from a certain World War

I mean how many did the Iran Mullahs, Mao commies or Russian commies leave alive from the previous regime?

Keep in mind here the goal was that the ideology must persist in India, not some gay love for the ex-colonizer, that would only be a cherry on top.

And so you have glorious decades of socialism, (((secularism))) and generally the whole pre-Independence establishment being there without any changes except removal of the white master and addition of the brown one.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Vikram Sampanth needs proper pr support.

 

[Trial By Fire]

Right wing: Neta ji got us freedom
Leftards: Gandhi JI got us freedom

Truth: Gau Mata got us freedom. Cow protection movement transformed Indian National Congress from an irrelevant debate club into an actual political party.