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We teach false history. No where there were so many atrocities done(not denyingbthey were not there but they were mostly in period when british created caste system).
Caste atrocities happen even today. There is ample historical record of mistreatment of lower castes, they happened in the past as well, on a much much larger scale.

Modern caste dynamics are complex, since the constitution has empowered the lower most strata to an extent and inter-caste clashes are not a one-way street anymore. It is specially complex where class and caste issues intersect.

Not condoning or condemning religious conversions, but good luck trying to stop them without acknowledging the casteist fault-lines in Indian society.
 

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Caste atrocities happen even today. There is ample historical record of mistreatment of lower castes, they happened in the past as well, on a much much larger scale.

Modern caste dynamics are complex, since the constitution has empowered the lower most strata to an extent and inter-caste clashes are not a one-way street anymore. It is specially complex where class and caste issues intersect.

Not condoning or condemning religious conversions, but good luck trying to stop them without acknowledging the casteist fault-lines in Indian society.
Caste system as we know was created by british. Who knows the actrocities before that even if they were they r over exaggerated. One study said about the education system in chennai then Madras even before1900 and overwhelming majority studying were dalits along with brahmins and others
 

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Caste system as we know was created by british. Who knows the actrocities before that even if they were they r over exaggerated. One study said about the education system in chennai then Madras even before1900 and overwhelming majority studying were dalits along with brahmins and others
it's high time to accept the wrong doings in customary practice to rectify them, laying blame on xyz in 2020 is simple unacceptable.
First thing start with ourselves identify yourself by your faith not caste.
I've seen Indian origin people overseas they still find ways to differ themselves and delude to some sort of superiority based on caste etc
I've also seen tamilians state they are Tamil not Hindus. Telugu also.its a very complicated matter
 

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Its not blaming. Its correcting the wrongs we should bring true history else missionaries / foreigners our future generations will keep blaming how evil hinduism was and keep converting. We also need to accept short conings but not false things against us. Manu smrity was edited by british through max muller in 19th century. However in that very book you will find versos of varna not by birth and its through karma. There r no previous versions available. I believe there was not much caste earlier to it and there r studies proving, even if there was discrimination it was not at the level we study now.

I identify myself as hindu only same should be for all.
 

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Its not blaming. Its correcting the wrongs we should bring true history else missionaries / foreigners our future generations will keep blaming how evil hinduism was and keep converting. We also need to accept short conings but not false things against us. Manu smrity was edited by british through max muller in 19th century. However in that very book you will find versos of varna not by birth and its through karma. There r no previous versions available. I believe there was not much caste earlier to it and there r studies proving, even if there was discrimination it was not at the level we study now.

I identify myself as hindu only same should be for all.
Don't bother troubling yourself , some of us are too good at self flagellation, for some self interest drives them .

It's very ironical and telling that the word caste in caste system is derived from the Portuguese word casta .

When the Portuguese missionaries first come to India they came up this word and they set the narrative which later the British missionaries and colonists adopted and spread .

What we had in India is varna system which was based on skills .

People do not realise humans all over exhibited and continue to exibit discriminator behaviour , be it in China Japan Africa latin America , even the fuking british in the name of birth etc.

What happened is in India , the missionaries and later the British indirectly legitimised it with the help of self centred groups from both upper and lower caste . Due to absence of central hindu authority since the foreign invasions , there was lack of mechanism to stop it . But there was successful attempts in some parts of the country , in NE Hindus don't recognise caste as it was forbidden 500 years ago.

So long story short , people having selfish motivation including so called higher and lower castes , missionaries , colonials , leftists , abrahamics , liberals , congi made it a point to ensure its continuation .

In the old days system discriminated against lower caste
In the current days system discriminates against upper caste

The only common point between the above 2

In the old days the abrahmics fuked us
In the current the abrahamics are still fuking us
Good old divide and rule

4 years or so back 200 naturalized so called " lower caste " Indian Americans , highly educated and in good positions in America ran a successful ops using whatsapp and social media inorder to incite rioting by lower castes in india.

You get the irony ?

Well to do lower caste dont give a fuk about the lives of not so well to do lower caste . They are simply a tool to use .

As I said social discrimination exists elsewhere in the world , but in india they made it into a weapon against Hinduism to keep it divided . Idiots don't realise change in inherent . Evolution is inherent . Hinduism has evolved and is evolving . Only problem are the people who have selfish interest to keep it the same from both so called upper and lower caste . Both of them must be neutered , it is prudent to root out ills from own house before dealing with the external enemies
 
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Don't bother troubling yourself , some of us are too good at self flagellation, for some self interest drives them .

It's very ironical and telling that the word caste in caste system is derived from the Portuguese word casta .

When the Portuguese missionaries first come to India they came up this word and they set the narrative which later the British missionaries and colonists adopted and spread .

What we had in India is varna system which was based on skills .

People do not realise humans all over exhibited and continue to exibit discriminator behaviour , be it in China Japan Africa latin America , even the fuking british in the name of birth etc.

What happened is in India , the missionaries and later the British indirectly legitimised it with the help of self centred groups from both upper and lower caste . Due to absence of central hindu authority since the foreign invasions , there was lack of mechanism to stop it . But there was successful attempts in some parts of the country , in NE Hindus don't recognise caste as it was forbidden 500 years ago.

So long story short , people having selfish motivation including so called higher and lower castes , missionaries , colonials , leftists , abrahamics , liberals , congi made it a point to ensure its continuation .

In the old days system discriminated against lower caste
In the current days system discriminates against upper caste

The only common point between the above 2

In the old days the abrahmics fuked us
In the current the abrahamics are still fuking us
Good old divide and rule

4 years or so back 200 naturalized so called " lower caste " Indian Americans , highly educated and in good positions in America ran a successful ops using whatsapp and social media inorder to incite rioting by lower castes in india.

You get the irony ?

Well to do lower caste dont give a fuk about the lives of not so well to do lower caste . They are simply a tool to use .

As I said social discrimination exists elsewhere in the world , but in india they made it into a weapon against Hinduism to keep it divided . Idiots don't realise change in inherent . Evolution is inherent . Hinduism has evolved and is evolving . Only problem are the people who have selfish interest to keep it the same from both so called upper and lower caste . Both of them must be neutered , it is prudent to root out ills from own house before dealing with the external enemies
Perriyar i heard in TN used to be builders and were part of creating grand temples earlier. What british did is categorize these into lower caste. And now same are one DK idiots against hinduism. Not reliazing that they were once buildingvtemples. This is what 240 yrs of brain washing has done. When british started categorizing caste based on last name. They started giving incentives to lower caste there by creating a rift and dividing the hindus.
 

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Here is manu smriti on shudras(it clearly states its uneducated person and not based on birth)


Here are vedas on varnas and how you can change varnas


This should clear the confusion
 

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Manu smriti often blamed for caste system and dicrimination was modified by british - refer this

Over fifty manuscripts of the Manusmriti are now known, but the earliest discovered, most translated and presumed authentic version since the 18th century has been the "Calcutta manuscript with Kulluka Bhatta commentary".[5] Modern scholarship states this presumed authenticity is false, and the various manuscripts of Manusmriti discovered in India are inconsistent with each other, and within themselves, raising concerns of its authenticity, insertions and interpolations made into the text in later times.[5][6]

The title Manusmriti is a relatively modern term and a late innovation, probably coined because the text is in a verse form.[10] The over fifty manuscripts discovered of the text, never use this title, but state the title as Manava Dharmasastra (Sanskrit: मानवधर्मशास्त्र) in their colophons at the end of each chapter. In modern scholarship, these two titles refer to the same text.[1
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Sources of the law Edit
The Dharmasya Yonih (Sources of the Law) has twenty-four verses, and one transition verse.[21] These verses state what the text considers as the proper and just sources of law:

वेदोऽखिलो धर्ममूलं स्मृतिशीले च तद्विदाम् । आचारश्चैव साधूनामात्मनस्तुष्टिरेव च ॥

Translation 1: The whole Veda is the (first) source of the sacred law, next the tradition and the virtuous conduct of those who know the (Veda further), also the customs of holy men, and (finally) self-satisfaction (Atmana santushti).[22]

Determination of Karmayoga Edit
The verses 12.1, 12.2 and 12.82 are transitional verses.[21] This section is in a different style than the rest of the text, raising questions whether this entire chapter was added later. While there is evidence that this chapter was extensively redacted over time, however it is unclear whether the entire chapter is of a later era.[31]

Authenticity and inconsistencies in various manuscripts Edit
Patrick Olivelle, credited with a 2005 translation of Manusmriti published by the Oxford University Press, states the concerns in postmodern scholarship about the presumed authenticity and reliability of Manusmriti manuscripts.[5] He writes (abridged),

The MDh [Manusmriti] was the first Indian legal text introduced to the western world through the translation of Sir William Jones in 1794. (...) All the editions of the MDh, except for Jolly's, reproduce the text as found in the [Calcutta] manuscript containing the commentary of Kulluka. I have called this as the "vulgate version". It was Kulluka's version that has been translated repeatedly: Jones (1794), Burnell (1884), Buhler (1886) and Doniger (1991). (...)

The belief in the authenticity of Kulluka's text was openly articulated by Burnell (1884, xxix): "There is then no doubt that the textus receptus, viz., that of Kulluka Bhatta, as adopted in India and by European scholars, is very near on the whole to the original text." This is far from the truth. Indeed, one of the great surprises of my editorial work has been to discover how few of the over fifty manuscripts that I collated actually follow the vulgate in key readings.

— Patrick Olivelle, Manu's Code of Law (2005)[5]
Other scholars point to the inconsistencies and have questioned the authenticity of verses, and the extent to which verses were changed, inserted or interpolated into the original, at a later date. Sinha, for example, states that less than half, or only 1,214 of the 2,685 verses in Manusmriti, may be authentic.[62] Further, the verses are internally inconsistent.[63] Verses such as 3.55-3.62 of Manusmriti, for example, glorify the position of women, while verse such as 9.3 and 9.17 do the opposite.[62] Other passages found in Manusmriti, such as those relating to Ganesha, are modern era insertions and forgeries.[64] Robert E. Van Voorst states that the verses from 3.55-60 may be about respect given to a woman in her home, but within a strong patriarchal system.[65]

Nelson in 1887, in a legal brief before the Madras High Court of British India, had stated, "there are various contradictions and inconsistencies in the Manu Smriti itself, and that these contradictions would lead one to conclude that such a commentary did not lay down legal principles to be followed but were merely recommendatory in nature."[6]

Mahatma Gandhi remarked on the observed inconsistencies within Manusmriti as follows,

I hold Manusmriti as part of Shastras. But that does not mean that I swear by every verse that is printed in the book described as Manusmriti. There are so many contradictions in the printed volume that, if you accept one part, you are bound to reject those parts that are wholly inconsistent with it. (...) Nobody is in possession of the original text.


— Mahatma Gandhi, An Adi-Dravida's Difficulties[66]

 
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Another Book which was edited was ManuSmriti

I did research in History & facts got revealed to me, which I want every Indian must know.

KEY POINTS

1) William Jones et al officers of British India Company edited Ancient Indian Sanskrit Texts

2) ManuSmriti [the book because of which Casteism started] was translated by William Jones.

He edited Sanskrit verses of ManuSmriti, madee a copy of it in English & circulated it & projected it as real ManuSmriti.

3) There was NO CASTEISM in India before Britishers. He preached casteism to Indians.

4) Our Civilization is Oldest Civilization of World

.5) Indus Valley Civilization & Vedic Civilization same (proof is in this blog)

6) Dravid & Aryans are same Race

7) Our Original Sanskrit Manuscripts are in Europeon libraries. & There was ORAL tradition of passing of Knowledge in India & NO book can exist for long. Scholars have told 1000 verses out of about 2000 verses of ManuSmriti are NOT AUTHENTIC.

Above Plaque in Oxford Chapel has been found by Rajiv Malhotra Sir.
This exposes the truth Sir William Jones changed our ancient Manu Smriti & other Sanskrit texts.

In Pic: Sir William Jones on chair with Brahmins seating on floor of Oxford. It is said, that he compelled Indian Pandits to make changes in Manu Smriti & Vedas. Later on he published translation of Manu Smriti with his name. East India Company had forced 18 Brahmins to go to Oxford with Sir William Jones.

Above Shocking photo got from Oxford Library. Photography is not permitted there, yet an Indian clicked the image from Oxford University library.

Also, they carried all 5 lakh original Sanskrit books to England secretly. There they asked Pandits to write new Manu Smriti in Sanskrit with changes they told, later on they circulated fake Sanskrit books in India & made Indian Brahmins to believe its real Manu Smriti.

William Jones is regarded for his work on Manu Smriti.

William Jones changed Manu Smriti & forced Indians to follow it.
It's written in Sanskrit old texts that "if you have find any unethical thing in any Sanskrit book, stop following it, & refer Vedas & follow Vedas."

Manu Smriti was not followed by Hindus until East India Company made it compulsory.


There was no casteism in India till 1750 AD.

No Chinese traveller have ever written about any exploitation in India on basis of caste.

Caste word derives from Portugese word "Casta"..

 

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This is how Congress has been inserting Christian CM's under Hindu names and playing the dirty game.

 

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See this using bjp and rss name and trying to assimilate jesus into hinduism.

Massvreport this account. Also see my reply to this bas****

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No Conversion (@noconversion) Tweeted:
कुछ लोग कह रहे थे , tweet करने से क्या होगा ? सोशल मीडिया से क्या होगा ? यह होगा... https://t.co/Dufxtz6YOO

Deepaklmnx (@deepaklmnx) Tweeted:
@GaneshabhatBhat @noconversion Christianity was mocking at Hindus by saying "It is easy to read the Ved but tough to understand others pain".

After circulation of pics, they erased it.

Christianity has to do nothing with Hinduism but they always try to diminish us and tell "convert and come to almighty God"
 

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