Disagree, though there is namecalling, but mostly used in sarcastic manner and is limited to particular threads, no one is destroying the threads where people are having technical discussions, in political threads sometimes people do that.@Mods -
The Name calling on this Forum has gone beyond belief - anyone who doesn't align with a narrow bandwidth of views immediately gets hounded under a barrage of unneeded dialogue, " oh you must be a pakistani, sickular, librandu, AAPiya, Rana Ayyub ki aulad this cuck that cuck, bla bla bork bork, and the best of all - living in posh gated communities ....as though its a sin to live a decent lifestyle while being among the highest tax payers in this country, who literally fund a huge part of this country's defence outlay..
Homogenous and single-minded? literally check the top threads right now, multiple people with different POV are discussing and adding their points no one is calling them out anything. This place is far from being homogenous, go to the sf thread where gucci gang is doing gucci gang thing, the economy thread has separate discussion altogether, you are gaslighting that's it.Is all of this toxicity really necessary and if not necessary then why not ask people to chill the f@ck out.
... Everyday some member is under attack by senior members, who's seniority isn't earnt by posting value additive information on defence related subjects, rather it's earnt by taking a piss on others here, even if you dont do it personally but add a casual like or some sarcastic emoji - you are condoning what is online bullying
- if the point is to turn this into a Homogenous Single minded community like how the much maligned and suffocating PDF is where everyone speaks the same voice and has the same viewpoint on issues then so be it... Else, considering this is a forum, be respectful of opposing viewpoints and if you disagree then present facts to counter it or just ignore, name calling is the resort of the uninformed degenerate (Abdul or not) more often than not I see a lot of sane voices just get drowned in the cacophony and ultimately they will probably just stop posting altogether.
People don't hate common Muslims and debates are related to the ideology/history which is like that, no one has to prove anything who are we to judge other's patriotism? I personally hate the word and usage of anti-national...recent events lead to increase in certain jibes but no one is saying all of them are like that, I personally was criticising Hinduism in one thread, discussing Islam in other....that's where discussion part happened never once i used those slangs, most of the peeps here don't use the slangs you mentioned unless they are referring to pakis and we will do it again if pakis try to bait again.5-6 years ago there were a lot of cool folks here, from who I learnt so much .... i don't see them or their kind anymore (@abingdonboy ) is someone who comes to mind.... Now all i see is anti muslim hate ( I have no love lost for those inbreds either) but the vocal and active parts of this forum are just an eyesore now...
Why does someone have to prove his patriotism here or his nationality, how does it matter... what kind of a forum tolerates members calling each other "Goat Fucking Abdul", "72 Hoors",
Its quite telling that a Defence Forum has political, Paki bashing threads as among the most commented ones...
Just my 2 paise, and predictably I suppose now ill be branded an ISPR stooge paid with Biryani etc etc.
Pakistan is a FAILED STATE not because its growth rate is lower then India or Bangladesh. Pakistan is a FAILED STATE not because it doesn't have a industrial base like that of India or US.Well, those percentages make more sense if you use them alongside their respective bases. The size of the US economy (GDP) justifies not considering the US as a 'failure' based on the latest IMF data.
Pakistan's economy is $hit, but I don't think that it is currently at a level where Pakistan will stop recieving investments.
Apart from the assessment of crdit ratings that I have shared earlier, here's an overview of World Bank's assessment:
Overview
Get the latest World Bank data, research and development indicators for Pakistan. Access economy facts, statistics, project information, development research from World Bank experts and breaking news.www.worldbank.org
office in West Delhi.
There is a whole thread about Pakistan being a failed, at least read through the thread vaguely to grip the idea.I am in Melbourne now, happy to be quizzed about Melbourne if it helps
Lets leave aside the fact that the country is actually managed as a personal property by corrupt army officials in guise of democratically elected idiots (Who also nurture global terrorists as they consider themselves as protectors of Islam) or the fact that they are just barely managing on loans taken from other countries that are used to pay up loan taken from some other countries & not for actual development, but the fact that they can repeatedly do idiotic things like below is proof that no one over there knows nothing about anything.I know he is banned but just so he can see this and limit his retardation in the future I will post this.
There is a whole thread about Pakistan being a failed, at least read through the thread vaguely to grip the idea.
There is no sympathy here for Pakis and this is not aman ki tamsaha forum.
If u have to criticize this country than u have to do it in a certain way which is not offensive and respectful to the natives. Ever wrote a constructive criticism report? do it in the same way.
This isn't your NRI cuck boogaloo circlejerk where u get award for immigrating and talking down on your native land.
Reference Knowitall posts to know what constructive criticism is
>In 2-3 months.Talks between TLP protesters and govt succeed. TLP gets a big relief as dozens of its jailed workers are set free.
TLP claims govt has accepted to: deport French ambassador in two to three months, not appoint an ambassador in France, boycott of French products officially.
Here is the aukaat of Chinese Pakistan Vs France.Talks between TLP protesters and govt succeed. TLP gets a big relief as dozens of its jailed workers are set free.
TLP claims govt has accepted to: deport French ambassador in two to three months, not appoint an ambassador in France, boycott of French products officially.
which video is this from?
and that no will increase with time till pakistan starts having problems and then it will free fall.Why insert the strawman "point of no return" to the argument? I presented you with a tangible 30-odd-years it'd take Pak to get to where India's at presently. I shall leave it up to you to decide whether that's a point of no return.
real muslims should be hated as they will follow muhammed and the quran without fail or without any kind of lapse.People don't hate common Muslims
Muhammed's character being central to Islam is huge block in reforming muslim conservatives. I think we need to get out of real muslim vs unreal muslim debate though. And instead, look at progressive vs regressive muslims. Saudi Arabia (guardian of Islam's holiest sites) is already taking steps in the right direction, other muslim nations will surely follow. Pakistan would eventually follow there arabian lords too.real muslims should be hated as they will follow muhammed and the quran without fail or without any kind of lapse
pakistan cant follow that even if it wants to.its fate is set when it comes to average paki following the modern path.a lot of things must be set straight then.their only firm rock in the history of the country is the fundamentalist pure version of islam whether they are capable of practising or not.and also demographics and street power favour the fundamentalists by a large margin in pakistan.you think anyone can convince a paki to become a lapsing muslim even a little.what is required and can work is a series of events that can make them lapsing muslims in the long run :Muhammed's character being central to Islam is huge block in reforming muslim conservatives. I think we need to get out of real muslim vs unreal muslim debate though. And instead, look at progressive vs regressive muslims. Saudi Arabia (guardian of Islam's holiest sites) is already taking steps in the right direction, other muslim nations will surely follow. Pakistan would eventually follow there arabian lords too.
This thread was created in 2011, till 2010 Pakistan was ranked 9/178 , it was in the top 10 fragile state index AKA failed states , this even with the billions of dollars pushing the their economy since 911 by USAQuick question, how exactly are we grading Pakistan as a failed nation in 2020? Is it based on some quantifiable index or is this thread a catch all for venting frustration?
also if they try to follow the saudi way,what will the military do then.it gains its power from being against india and being the army of islam.it will think with foresight correctly that in a deislamized country,their hold on the people will wane and will switch to an institution more good in dealing with lapsed muslims like corporates,democratic institutions,etc.why will they embark on a deislamization drive themselves.pakistan cant follow that even if it wants to.its fate is set when it comes to average paki following the modern path.a lot of things must be set straight then.their only firm rock in the history of the country is the fundamentalist pure version of islam whether they are capable of practising or not.and also demographics and street power favour the fundamentalists by a large margin in pakistan.you think anyone can convince a paki to become a lapsing muslim even a little.what is required and can work is a series of events that can make them lapsing muslims in the long run :
1.a catasphrohic military failure like how japan or germany experienced after world war 2 followed by occupation and dilberate and purpose built deislamization or atleast diluting of islam to modern standards of the invader.this scenario is only possible in the case of usa or india decide to invade due to geopolitical reasons.
2.china colonizes and slowly unfolds it uighers policy on pak with pak government consent.
the pakis how they are now as a population are very stable and even growing in their pureness.The natural lapsing types will flee or will never make any noise and will go along.
they will even turn the saudis on their head and may even dare to accuse them of losing their way.
This is a warning for us. We too have such fanatics like raza academy, sdpi, pfi, etc. Need to deal with this asapTalks between TLP protesters and govt succeed. TLP gets a big relief as dozens of its jailed workers are set free.
TLP claims govt has accepted to: deport French ambassador in two to three months, not appoint an ambassador in France, boycott of French products officially.
A country which gave permission to women to drive cars in 2018 is surely taking steps in the right direction. But in my view they are late by a centuryMuhammed's character being central to Islam is huge block in reforming muslim conservatives. I think we need to get out of real muslim vs unreal muslim debate though. And instead, look at progressive vs regressive muslims. Saudi Arabia (guardian of Islam's holiest sites) is already taking steps in the right direction, other muslim nations will surely follow. Pakistan would eventually follow there arabian lords too.