Failed Terrorist State of Pakistan: Idiotic Musings

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i can't believe they celebrate defense day because they launched operation gibraltar in J&K in which they got their asses whooped and our soldiers marched till LaWhore....so why do they celebrate there defeat?
You are not thinking like a Baki. You should understand that for a Baki, especially a Baki jarnail defeat has a very different meaning from what it means for you or I or Indian army or any army for that matter.

By any definition, Nazis lost WWII, Japanese lost in WWII, Amreekis lost in Vietnam, Saddam lost in Gulf War I and II. The Arab states lost against Israel in 1967. These are all military losses right?

Bakis do no believe in this. It doesn't matter that they were routed in battle after battle, war after war, skirmish after skirmish. Since, they lived on to fight another day, they consider it a victory. Victory for them is retaining the ability to fight India, or in other words Winning without winning.

Bakis set out to capture Kashmir and India in 1965- they failed miserably, their economy tanked and went into a downwards spiral from which they never recovered. That was also when the military gap between them and us started expanding as we pulled ahead at a furious pace. But since, India chose to call for ceasefire and halted our advance, Bakis claim it to be a victory.

1971- Bakis started the war with two objectives
a. Stop the secession of East Pakistan.
b. Teach India a lesson and capture Kashmir.

At the end of the war, Bakis lost half their country, they lost huge tracts of land in Baltistan to us (present day Turtuk), Karachi was brought down to its knees by our naval bombardment and their martial fauj and mard-e-momin, surrendered to a Jew, a Sikh and a Parsee- all 93,000 of them.

Still Bakis think, they won. Why? Because their army was not completely destroyed, India did not advance deeply into West Pakistan and their fauj lived on to fight another day.

Rinse and repeat in Siachen and Kargil.

In short, Bakis believe that as long as they have the ability to fight India, they are the true victors.

Delusional does not even come close to describing their schizophrenia.
 

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And what the fuck is MM alam???i dont even know this niga but pakis keep telling his name @Bornubus
An inferior Bengali musalman whom pakis claim to shot down 5 jets within seconds, just like they claim paf shot Israeli jets in 1973 and Soviet jet in 1980s


You need to understand the paki inferiority complex, since they were humiliated in war, they mention things of little significance and make it big like pt 5353, captured Ind jeep etc


http://iadnews.in/2015/09/breaking-the-myth-of-mm-alam/#.V8_Y4vl95D8
 

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Alam and his wingman, Flt.Off. Akhtar, took off shortly AFTER the first Indian attack against Sargodha on the morning of the 7 September 1965, and shortly after the clash between the Mystére flown by Sqn.Ldr. Devayya and two Starfighters, in which both the Indian, and one of the Pakistani fighers were shot down.

This is already a first discrepancy in Pakistani claims, as Fricker (and the "whole World", if you wish) said that Sqn.Ldr. Devayya was the first victim of Sqn.Ldr. M.M. Alam.

Regarding Alam's claims:
1.) He first claimed to have intercepted a formation of six Hunters and fired one Sidewinder against one of them. The missile hit the ground, and then, in Alam's own words: "The next thing I remember was that I was overshooting one of the Hunters and when I looked behind, the cockpit canopy was missing and there was no pilot in the aircraft. He had obviously pulled up and ejected and then I saw him coming down by parachute." Very nice, but this all happened at some 500 knots and flight level of some 45feets/15 meters: would be interessting to learn how Alam managed to see so many details under such circumstances?

Almost needles to say: Alam's victim, Sqn.Ldr. Onkar Nath Kacker, CO 27 Sqn IAF, flew back for over 150 kilometers as his engine stopped due to a booster pump failure. It is possible that his Hunter was damaged by the proxy-fusing Sidewinder, but Kacker certainly didn't ejected close to Sargodha and was not killed. So, Alam's claim is wrong: he couldn't see a Hunter with empty cockpit.

2.) Immediately afterwards, Alam lost the sight of these six Hunters, but he had plenty of fuel and started a pursuit. After some 60 miles, coming over the Chenab River, Akhtar called out five Hunters in - Alam's words: "...absolutely immaculate battle formation..." He turned behind Hunters and now comes the best part of the story:

"We were all turning very tightly - in excess of 5G or just about on the limits of the Sabre's very accurate A-4 radar ranging gunsight...And I think before we had completed more than about 270 degrees of the turn, at around 12 degrees per second, all four Hunters had been shot down. In each case, I got the pipper of my sight around the canopy of the Hunter for virtually a full deflection shot..."

Well, Alam explained later about him developing a technique of firing very short bursts, and that he flew Hunters previously himself (in England). However, the fact is, that Pakistanis later found only two supposed victims of Alam.

And not only this, then now it will get really bad for the PAF's credibility. Initially, the PAF had released the names of the five pilots shot down by Sqn. Ldr. M.M. Alam; as Sqn.Ldr. O.N. Kacker, Sqn.Ldr. A.B. Devayya, Sqn.Ldr. S.B. Bhagwat, Flt.Lt. U.B. Guha and Flg.Off. J.S. Brar. Some later Pak sources claim Flt.Lt. T.K. Chaudary as one of Alam's victims, but I don't know where did they got that name from. By the way, Chaudary/Chaudry is a very usuall name in India and in Pakistan.

Furthermore, none of Indian records (not claims) show that these names do coincide with their organisation of the attack against Sargodha. Namely: all these pilots DIDN'T flew aircraft which were part of only ONE or TWO attacks against Sargodha, flown early in the morning and intercepted by Alam, but SIX! And not only this: all these six Indian attacks against Sargodha happened between 06:00 in the morning and 15:00 in the afternoon! So, Alam could hit four Hunters in less than one minute, but those that fell to the ground did so in more than nine hours! And that is - sorry SOC - impossible.

For example: Devayya was from Strike No.1 (undertaken early in the morning), Kacker from 3rd Indian strike and Guha from 6th Indian strike (undertaken in the afternoon). Furthermore, these names do not correspond with the names from the 4th Indian strike, for which the PAF states that Alam shot down the four Hunters! The result: Alam most probably only got two Indian Hunters during the whole day: Fg. Off. Brar and Sqn. Ldr. Bhagwat. Both were killed as their planes crashed. The rest came away, that of Sqn.Ldr. O.N. Kacker crashed due to technical problems and all of the other of Alam's "victims" are still very much alive today.

Well, if someone asks me, both sides have many materials from that war, especially gun-kills of every single kill. If there are so many kills scored by Sqn.Ldr. Alam, and other Pakistani pilots, then the PAF should publish them, but it didn't. OK, gun-camera pics show some things, but certainly not all, like date, place etc. So, if so many Hunters crashed inside of Pakistan after they were shot down by Alam, then Pakistanis must be in possession of their wreckage. And that is not the case, because otherwise Pakistanis wouldn't name five Indian pilots which were shot down between 06:00 and 15:00h in the Sargodha area as victims of Sqn.Ldr. Alam, which supposedly shot them all down in less than half-an-hour.

As one can see, Indians have delivered their proofs, and showed that this small amount of Pakistani evidence for "four Hunters in less than one minute" shot down by Sqn.Ldr. M.M. Alam is worth nothing. I do not understand what should be wrong with all of that, or why not to belive it? After all, everybody in the West use to belive the side which is able to deliver more and better proofs for its case.
 

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Alam and his wingman, Flt.Off. Akhtar, took off shortly AFTER the first Indian attack against Sargodha on the morning of the 7 September 1965, and shortly after the clash between the Mystére flown by Sqn.Ldr. Devayya and two Starfighters, in which both the Indian, and one of the Pakistani fighers were shot down.

This is already a first discrepancy in Pakistani claims, as Fricker (and the "whole World", if you wish) said that Sqn.Ldr. Devayya was the first victim of Sqn.Ldr. M.M. Alam.

Regarding Alam's claims:
1.) He first claimed to have intercepted a formation of six Hunters and fired one Sidewinder against one of them. The missile hit the ground, and then, in Alam's own words: "The next thing I remember was that I was overshooting one of the Hunters and when I looked behind, the cockpit canopy was missing and there was no pilot in the aircraft. He had obviously pulled up and ejected and then I saw him coming down by parachute." Very nice, but this all happened at some 500 knots and flight level of some 45feets/15 meters: would be interessting to learn how Alam managed to see so many details under such circumstances?

Almost needles to say: Alam's victim, Sqn.Ldr. Onkar Nath Kacker, CO 27 Sqn IAF, flew back for over 150 kilometers as his engine stopped due to a booster pump failure. It is possible that his Hunter was damaged by the proxy-fusing Sidewinder, but Kacker certainly didn't ejected close to Sargodha and was not killed. So, Alam's claim is wrong: he couldn't see a Hunter with empty cockpit.

2.) Immediately afterwards, Alam lost the sight of these six Hunters, but he had plenty of fuel and started a pursuit. After some 60 miles, coming over the Chenab River, Akhtar called out five Hunters in - Alam's words: "...absolutely immaculate battle formation..." He turned behind Hunters and now comes the best part of the story:

"We were all turning very tightly - in excess of 5G or just about on the limits of the Sabre's very accurate A-4 radar ranging gunsight...And I think before we had completed more than about 270 degrees of the turn, at around 12 degrees per second, all four Hunters had been shot down. In each case, I got the pipper of my sight around the canopy of the Hunter for virtually a full deflection shot..."

Well, Alam explained later about him developing a technique of firing very short bursts, and that he flew Hunters previously himself (in England). However, the fact is, that Pakistanis later found only two supposed victims of Alam.

And not only this, then now it will get really bad for the PAF's credibility. Initially, the PAF had released the names of the five pilots shot down by Sqn. Ldr. M.M. Alam; as Sqn.Ldr. O.N. Kacker, Sqn.Ldr. A.B. Devayya, Sqn.Ldr. S.B. Bhagwat, Flt.Lt. U.B. Guha and Flg.Off. J.S. Brar. Some later Pak sources claim Flt.Lt. T.K. Chaudary as one of Alam's victims, but I don't know where did they got that name from. By the way, Chaudary/Chaudry is a very usuall name in India and in Pakistan.

Furthermore, none of Indian records (not claims) show that these names do coincide with their organisation of the attack against Sargodha. Namely: all these pilots DIDN'T flew aircraft which were part of only ONE or TWO attacks against Sargodha, flown early in the morning and intercepted by Alam, but SIX! And not only this: all these six Indian attacks against Sargodha happened between 06:00 in the morning and 15:00 in the afternoon! So, Alam could hit four Hunters in less than one minute, but those that fell to the ground did so in more than nine hours! And that is - sorry SOC - impossible.

For example: Devayya was from Strike No.1 (undertaken early in the morning), Kacker from 3rd Indian strike and Guha from 6th Indian strike (undertaken in the afternoon). Furthermore, these names do not correspond with the names from the 4th Indian strike, for which the PAF states that Alam shot down the four Hunters! The result: Alam most probably only got two Indian Hunters during the whole day: Fg. Off. Brar and Sqn. Ldr. Bhagwat. Both were killed as their planes crashed. The rest came away, that of Sqn.Ldr. O.N. Kacker crashed due to technical problems and all of the other of Alam's "victims" are still very much alive today.

Well, if someone asks me, both sides have many materials from that war, especially gun-kills of every single kill. If there are so many kills scored by Sqn.Ldr. Alam, and other Pakistani pilots, then the PAF should publish them, but it didn't. OK, gun-camera pics show some things, but certainly not all, like date, place etc. So, if so many Hunters crashed inside of Pakistan after they were shot down by Alam, then Pakistanis must be in possession of their wreckage. And that is not the case, because otherwise Pakistanis wouldn't name five Indian pilots which were shot down between 06:00 and 15:00h in the Sargodha area as victims of Sqn.Ldr. Alam, which supposedly shot them all down in less than half-an-hour.

As one can see, Indians have delivered their proofs, and showed that this small amount of Pakistani evidence for "four Hunters in less than one minute" shot down by Sqn.Ldr. M.M. Alam is worth nothing. I do not understand what should be wrong with all of that, or why not to belive it? After all, everybody in the West use to belive the side which is able to deliver more and better proofs for its case.
We do not need explanation
We know entire baki military is filled with eunuchs and shitbrains
 

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We do not need explanation
We know entire baki military is filled with eunuchs and shitbrains
That's copy paste from key publishing and porky claims should be debunked especially on Paki forums in front of members from other countries.
 

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That's copy paste from key publishing and porky claims should be debunked especially on Paki forums in front of members from other countries.
Like your idea but not on peedf
Stop calling paki porky.
Call them potty(suits them)
 

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Feminism going on in full swing in Pakistan :hail:X5

http://images.dawn.com/news/1176198...hore-send-the-wrong-message-about-empowerment


So we all know now that all these new age movements like green piss, feminism and other shit is actually not organic movements but corporate branding strategies meant to hijack the culture of the host nation and replace it with a consumerist culture.

"Buy our branded bra, then burn it, post it on Facebook and call yourself feminist." - corporate feminism.
 

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Baki mohtarma (mulla ?) wants gazwa e mandir naao !
Lol majority of her tweets are Hindu this, Hindu that.

Someone should point it out to her that a lot of her Musalmaan brethren come to Hindu India to get treated by Hindu doctors cause her Muslim doctors in her Muslim Pakistan suck.
 

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This is why I want to see islamization of whole UK and Europe. Masallah time is coming......
Is there any more doubt that Malala is in fact a CIA stooge cultivated for no other reason but for information warfare? They use her to hit Pakistan when they want, and India when they want. She is nothing but an imaginary creation with a backstory based purely on appeal to emotion of the masses. They got her shot, they got her airlifted (how many other kids receive such priority treatment?), they raised her profile, lobbied to get her accolades, made her the spokesperson for the women of Indian subcontinent, now they are reaping the rewards of their investment. Thankfully Satyarthi turned out to be a decent man who didn't resort to badmouthing the nation.
 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feroz_Khan_(actor)



"I am a proud Indian. India is a secular country. The Muslims there are making lot of progress unlike in Pakistan. Our President is a Muslim and our Prime Minister a Sikh. Pakistan was made in the name of Islam, but look how the Muslims are killing Muslims here."


Pakistan's high commission in India and the foreign and interior ministries were subsequently directed to deny Khan a visa in the future.
 

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This is why I want to see islamization of whole UK and Europe. Masallah time is coming......
This Malalalala lalala lalala didn't mention which part of Kashmir so it means PoK.

She needs to raise Balochistan as well in UN since they all are Muslims too and GENOCIDE of Baloch is done by Pak Army.





 

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This Malalalala lalala lalala didn't mention which part of Kashmir so it means PoK.

She needs to raise Balochistan as well in UN since they all are Muslims too and GENOCIDE of Baloch is done by Pak Army.





But Malalalllalaa wont get her monthly payment from the CIA if she mentions Baluchistan, or the US support to terror groups in Syria, or US support to Pakistani genocide in Bangladesh, or Kosovo, or the US support for toppling Ukraine's government. Nah, Maalalalala will only speak about Kashmir, now wait for some time, she will also start speaking about Nagaland, Manipur.

Did anyone notice one thing? As long as Irom Sharmila was speaking against the Indian state, she was given 5-star status by western media, and their coolies, now that she has chosen to be a part of the mainstream, suddenly they have issued a blackout.

http://uk.blastingnews.com/politics...er-battling-afspa-for-16-years-001072533.html

Hotels which were previously hosting her for 'free' are refusing to take her even after payment. All the leftist cabal has turned against her as she is not an asset for them anymore. Same fate awaits Malalalaala if she speaks against Murican foreign policy.
 

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This is why I want to see islamization of whole UK and Europe. Masallah time is coming......
She's a fuckign kid who got shot. I laughed out when I read this news a couple of days back. She has no other knowledge whatsoever.
 

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Over 80% Pakistanis drink contaminated water
Sep 07, 2016 10:44:18

slamabad: More than 80 per cent Pakistanis consume contaminated and unsafe water, a top official said.

Minister for Science and Technology Rana Tanveer told the Senate on Tuesday said the Pakistan Council for Research in Water Resources (PCRWR) had conducted various water quality monitoring projects in the country and said 69 per cent to 82 per cent water samples collected from 2,807 villages in 24 districts were found contaminated or unsafe for drinking, Dawn online reported.

The PCRWR, which is a research and development organisation of the Ministry of Science and Technology, reported that major contamination was due to bacteria (coliforms), toxic metals (mainly arsenic), turbidity, total dissolved solids (TDS) and nitrate and fluoride pollution, Tanveer said.

Besides setting up 24 state-of-the-art water testing laboratories around the country, several other initiatives have also been undertaken. These included the development of microbiological testing kits, low-cost arsenic detection testing kits and production of chlorination and disinfection tablets.

However, bacteriological, arsenic and turbidity are the leading causes of contamination in the drinking water, Dawn online quoted Tanveer as saying.

While microbiological contamination remains one of the leading causes of cholera, diarrhoea, dysentery, hepatitis, typhoid etc., arsenic can cause various types of diabetes, skin, kidney, heart, black foot diseases, hypertension, birth defects and multiple types of cancer, according to the PCRWR.

A senior PCRWR official told Dawn online that the function of its laboratories were in jeopardy due to the lack of funds.

Set up at a cost of 1.2 billion Pakistani rupees (about $11 million), the labs were to identify contamination in drinking water and ensure the availability of potable water to the citizens.
 

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