Failed Terrorist State of Pakistan: Idiotic Musings

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So yesterday I was binging on Youtube. Out of the blue I saw a thumbnail with a big house, I clicked on it and found out it was built in Porkland. Then I found myself in a rabbit hole clicking through endless videos of Pakistani real estate videos. There are too many links I can't post here. Just take a look at yourself on Youtube, there are plenty of them. But here are few things I concluded after seeing those videos.

  • Those big grand houses indicate massive influence and presence of feudal system. Even the very rich ones don't build houses like palaces in India. All those houses have a "King in a palace" vibe to me. Maintaining those houses require 2-3 people on average or more.

  • If you are wondering why Pakistani import bill is more than double that of exports then definitely it has to be from real estate sector to an extent. All those Italian marble, expensive refrigerators which are the size of a closet, dish washers, Air conditioners, expensive furniture, those chandelier lights which are definitely imported are adding to import bill.

  • I was wondering who are the customers who will buy all those luxury houses and flats. There aren't many in Pakistan who can afford such luxury houses, their diaspora isn't rich either. Ofcourse, these houses act as a money laundering scheme for many people including their military.

Take a look at this society for a start. Who the heck will buy those luxury flats in Pakistan?

 

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Indeed, indeed pakis are thugs
Sorry to any baniya brother reading this, I never meant to demean thy community
Indian baniyas were key people when our IT industry was being built apparently more than 60% of Indian e commerce were built by baniya same with IT where baniya invested in 90s heavily
 

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Najeeb argues that with high inflation, slow growth and high interest rates around the world, there is less money available for emerging markets like Pakistan, and that without the IMF's “stamp of approval” even friendly Gulf kingdoms will remain shy of investing in the country.


Friendly countries too want to see reforms in Pakistan, however this time they are going for an investment model as opposed to previously when they would simply deposit a few billion dollars in Pakistan's state bank. This might turn out to be better for the country,” Najeeb told MEE.

What to reform and what follows that?
Kamal Alam told MEE that it was “very obvious” that “the delay in implementing IMF reforms is because the political elite wants to avoid them - deep-set corruption in government is at the heart of it.”

Alam said that a culture of “zero accountability has completely wrecked trust in Pakistani leadership, at home and abroad”.

Pakistan is ranked 140 on Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index for 2022, not a favourable ranking, Alam said, if the country wants to attract foreign investment.

Najeeb, who worked in government, said that just attracting foreign investment will not solve Pakistan's problems in the long-term and that the country needs to expand its tax base and improve tax collection.


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“Pakistan's agriculture sector contributes 23 percent of total GDP, while tax collection across the sector is very poor,” he said. “Similarly Pakistan's retail and real estate sectors also contribute heavily to the GDP but almost completely avoid taxation.”

The Saudis are also unhappy with the way Islamabad is behaving these days, said Umar Karim.

“The current prime minister has a 77-member ministerial cabinet, the largest in the world; they all receive full perks and privileges. Why would the Saudis help you if you continue to afford yourself such luxuries while they are putting themselves through a cost-cutting drive?” he told MEE.

Karim believes the Saudis are interested in investing in Pakistan's energy sector - both fossil fuels and renewables – and that they are also interested in investing in the country's booming IT sector. But this investment, he said, would only happen after Pakistan implemented economic reforms.

While Pakistan is besotten with a crippling power crisis, Saudi investment in the renewable energy sector could be crucial. A 2020 report from the World Bank suggests Pakistan has immense potential for generating power through solar energy.

“Utilising just 0.071 percent of the country's area for solar power generation would meet Pakistan's current electricity demand,” the report said.

In 2019, however, the Saudi government expressed interest in setting up an oil refinery and in making other investments totalling $10bn in Pakistan. But, Najeeb said, Pakistan would need to “revamp its board of investment” and bring in “specialist human resources and incentives” in order to take advantage of this opening.

The former finance ministry adviser said that a reset in relations with Saudi Arabia would be good for Pakistan and could prove to be a wake-up call.

For Pakistan, the days of easy money are over.
 

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Vilification of traders led to demise of Germany, Pakistan, and led to de industrialization of Indian punjab. Ugandan hated Indian for our businessmenship the moment we left it became a shit hole
In a hindsight all of the communism is hatred of everyone of all Varna vyavastha, isn't it?

The Bhramans is demonized for spreading religion and Caste-system,
The Khastriya are demonized for doing politics over lives, Kings are depicted as lechers, immoral etc.
The Vaisya, or are derided for making money and business class as evil.
The last Sudra are shamed in believing service and co-operation and they are asked to destroy others for their rightful share.

In other words, Everyone is demonized for not giving them religious ovation, power, money and lives for their godless philosophy.
It's a miracle that we survived these, almost every newly independent state fall for it, they sound so good to unexperienced mind.
 

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Bois, paakkiisa calls us Baniyas, but don't you see real baniya is them?
They sell everything to everyone's. Especially their army.
good one..
Pak army is a bigger baniya, what don’t they make and sell.


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So yesterday I was binging on Youtube. Out of the blue I saw a thumbnail with a big house, I clicked on it and found out it was built in Porkland. Then I found myself in a rabbit hole clicking through endless videos of Pakistani real estate videos. There are too many links I can't post here. Just take a look at yourself on Youtube, there are plenty of them. But here are few things I concluded after seeing those videos.

  • Those big grand houses indicate massive influence and presence of feudal system. Even the very rich ones don't build houses like palaces in India. All those houses have a "King in a palace" vibe to me. Maintaining those houses require 2-3 people on average or more.

  • If you are wondering why Pakistani import bill is more than double that of exports then definitely it has to be from real estate sector to an extent. All those Italian marble, expensive refrigerators which are the size of a closet, dish washers, Air conditioners, expensive furniture, those chandelier lights which are definitely imported are adding to import bill.

  • I was wondering who are the customers who will buy all those luxury houses and flats. There aren't many in Pakistan who can afford such luxury houses, their diaspora isn't rich either. Ofcourse, these houses act as a money laundering scheme for many people including their military.

Take a look at this society for a start. Who the heck will buy those luxury flats in Pakistan?

Parking money into real estate market is a very common theme among economic unstable nations.

Because of depriciating currency, other form of investment becomes loss making over a long period of time. this is why most people park their money in real estate. This is why you see these types of ultra luxurious houses being made in poor country like Pakistan.

In stable economy houses are made per requirement of users not investors. Therefore such houses are made very practically. Even cost cutting is used to keep their property attractive for end user. Here builders make money by selling huge inventory of houses. In failing countries like Pakistan builders build less number of houses but they target uber rich class to maximize their profits.

In countries like Pakistan builders only target rich people, NRP Investors. Ordinary people are usually too poor to shift to a new house every now and then. They usually live in their ancestral houses or they build their own simple house on plots.

Also note that because of lack of high paying corporate jobs, less migration happen from rural to urban. Therefore less demand for such properties.

If we look at macroscopicly those property videos in Pakistan, they are focused heavily on interior works and facades. The actual construction isn't that impressive. Almost simplistic on many occasions. It seems that they are importing fancy furniture from foreign (most likely China) and selling it at a premium.

for example

This is one crore Indian rupees flat in Mumbai, Indiabulls Greens. (1 crore INR is roughly equal to 3 crore PKR)

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Very impressive architecture. Optimal usage of Land. Highly complex engineering.

Now same building from Inside

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As you can see it lacks any luxury you see in that Pakistani video. Why? because high land price and cost of constructing complex building like that is eating most of the budget.

Also from end user's perspective, they are looking for practical house in a good location for their nuclear families. These nuclear Indian families don't have luxury of cheap labourers working full time to maintain their luxurious house.


So to conclude, both Indian and Pakistani property markets are selling to completely different types of customers. This is why you see difference in priorities by their respective builders.
 

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Parking money into real estate market is a very common theme among economic unstable nations.

Because of depriciating currency, other form of investment becomes loss making over a long period of time. this is why most people park their money in real estate. This is why you see these types of ultra luxurious houses being made in poor country like Pakistan.

In stable economy houses are made per requirement of users not investors. Therefore such houses are made very practically. Even cost cutting is used to keep their property attractive for end user. Here builders make money by selling huge inventory of houses. In failing countries like Pakistan builders build less number of houses but they target uber rich class to maximize their profits.

In countries like Pakistan builders only target rich people, NRP Investors. Ordinary people are usually too poor to shift to a new house every now and then. They usually live in their ancestral houses or they build their own simple house on plots.

Also note that because of lack of high paying corporate jobs, less migration happen from rural to urban. Therefore less demand for such properties.

If we look at macroscopicly those property videos in Pakistan, they are focused heavily on interior works and facades. The actual construction isn't that impressive. Almost simplistic on many occasions. It seems that they are importing fancy furniture from foreign (most likely China) and selling it at a premium.

for example

This is one crore Indian rupees flat in Mumbai, Indiabulls Greens. (1 crore INR is roughly equal to 3 crore PKR)

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Very impressive architecture. Optimal usage of Land. Highly complex engineering.

Now same building from Inside

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As you can see it lacks any luxury you see in that Pakistani video. Why? because high land price and cost of constructing complex building like that is eating most of the budget.

Also from end user's perspective, they are looking for practical house in a good location for their nuclear families. These nuclear Indian families don't have luxury of cheap labourers working full time to maintain their luxurious house.


So to conclude, both Indian and Pakistani property markets are selling to completely different types of customers. This is why you see difference in priorities by their respective builders.
Its not to say there are less luxurious houses in India compared to Pakistan. Infact its opposite.

In economically prosperous countries have much more luxurious house but vast majority is build towards practicality and affordability of middle class who are real engines of growth in real estate sector.

This is why in countries like Pakistan you may see luxurious houses in middle of vast sea of poor, run down houses. This makes effect of luxury even more pronounced.
 

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If we look at macroscopicly those property videos in Pakistan, they are focused heavily on interior works and facades. The actual construction isn't that impressive. Almost simplistic on many occasions. It seems that they are importing fancy furniture from foreign (most likely China) and selling it at a premium.
23 crore PKR worth property with scenic view of electric cables hanging like average tier 2 Indian city.
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Pakistan's problems are a lot worse than India's and will not be solved easily, IMF loan or not. That's just a temporary bandaid, what Pakistan needs is a lot of American hand holding of a particularly generous version. Nothing else will work. For Pakistan to increase exports, it will again need American assistance and some European help too. For that to happen Pakistan will have to completely reverse many policies. A bitter pill to swallow but all other options go straight to the gutter.

Trade with India would also be necessary but with the Pakistani economy in such a bad state, trade will be of much higher benefit to Pakistan than India even if initially there will be a surge of Indian imports. Pakistan missed that bus a decade ago when it could have hitched itself to a growing Indian economy and could have offered something in return. Now they have to contend with offering a much weaker market while asking for access to one of the world's largest markets. The incentive they will have to offer India for that will not be to their liking.

I don't think Pakistan has it in itself to take such hard decisions. More likely they will lurch from crisis to crisis hoping for some miracle which will never come their way.
Correct
 

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Lagta he AS haath se nikal gaya… not sure ye tweet kitna accurate he

Mostly toh nahi hai....
Not possible AS escaping out of country.
Also authorities at all airports, checkpoints etc are all alerted with information. Should be caught within 10 days...unless he receives inside help and manages to cross the border.
 

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