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This conversation is pointless and absurd. Besides, as I said this is an F-35 thread. If you want to talk about Bhramos then link it with F-35.
I was replying to a post which I found absurd. But okay I'll leave the thread alone now.
 

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It's in development .rest assure it will have variants to cover full spectrum of threads.
So in other words, not exist yet?


They'll be the first to be shot down and the can be shot down from 300km away with meteor type sfdr missiles. Same goes for tankers. F18 won't be that's why carrier will have to come near.
Frankly, there is nothing stop the carrier air wing such as F-35C to escort their AWACs, if you want to get 300 km from the AWACs chance are you already get attacked by F-35 with LREW, AIM-260.
XQ-25 is semi stealth so no you wont be able to attack it from 300 km.
Anyway su30 can fly 3000 without any refuelling.
F18 won't be able to touch it open sky's. It will run rings around f18.
Again, you still unable to distinguish between ferry range and combat radius. Su-30 can fly 3000 km as its ferry range, which is irrelevant if you want it to carry weapon, and also irrelevant if you don't want it to literarily fall down the ocean after the end of the trip and dont come back. What important is combat radius, which Su-30 can only do about 1300 km

It will sinks with airgroup . It's runway will be rendered useless in first wave of supersonic /hypersonic missiles. Unless it stays 2000km away. And if stays 2000km away it can't attack India with f18 or f35.
Given the range already calculated, your hypersonic and supersonic missile wont even have the chance to touch the carrier.
And as calculate already, F-18 and F-35 combat radius couple with JASSM-XR and LRSM (3400 km) is far more than enough to attack Indian land target even when the carrier park more than 2000 km from Indian shore.

You mean HSSW? Then count in bramhos 2 hypersonic missile or russian zircons too in your calculations and see again if your carriers can survive.
I mean HSCW not HSSW
Brahmos 2 range is 600 km and Zircon range is 1000 km
For comparison, LRASM range is 1000 km and JASSM-XR range is 1600 km and HSCW range is at least 4000 km, so again, the carrier with its air wing can literally strike with immunity

Like I said before American haven't demonstrated anything solid to be able to intercept hypersonic/ supersonic weapons. All words no proof.
Well no, just because you keep denying actual fact being present doesn't mean reality will bend to your preferences. Facts doesn't care about your feeling.
Americans have intercepted AQM-37, GQM-163, MA-31, Ballistic missiles. They have demonstrated significant ability to intercept supersonic and hypersonic target for more than just once.

Because bramhos terminal manuever is longer than the entire range of this coyote toy . But suit yourself practice with it . It will really help to grow up.
Do you really want to use that argument??? It literally just mean the Coyote can make tighter turn, which make it even harder to intercept.
 
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Like I said before American haven't demonstrated anything solid to be able to intercept hypersonic/ supersonic weapons. All words no proof.
Raytheon SM-6s intercept targets in 'engage on remote' tests
The first SM-6 intercepted a low-altitude, short-range supersonic target (GQM-163A), while the second intercepted a low-altitude, medium-range subsonic target (BQM-74E).
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...gets-in-engage-on-remote-tests-523540582.html

Not only the US has demonstrated that it can destroy superonic AShM but also Japan and France using Coyote target missile.

Japanese Test Engages Supersonic Target on WSMR
This test series included the intercept of a GQM-163A Coyote, a U.S. Navy target system used to represent supersonic cruise missile and anti-surface missile threats. According to the Navy's Aerial Targets and Decoys Program Office, the Coyote is capable of representing several different threats. Cruising at a low altitude, the system can represent a supersonic anti-surface missile, or the target can climb to a high-altitude and descend at a supersonic speed to represent an air launched or ballistic threat.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ar...panese_test_engages_supersonic_target_on_wsmr

French Navy frigate successfully intercepts supersonic sea-skimming missile
The French Navy has successfully completed the first aerial target live fire of the US Navy’s GQM-163A Coyote Supersonic Sea Skimming Target (SSST), off the Ile du Levant coast, France.

During the trials, the French Navy’s Horizon-class air defence frigate, Forbin successfully tracked the GQM-163A SSST and intercepted the Coyote target with an Aster 30 surface-to-air missile in flight.
https://www.naval-technology.com/ne...y-intercepts-supersonic-sea-skimming-missile/
 

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What's the point of watching it when you have nothing to stop it. Lol.
ESSM is equivalent in capability to Barak 8, and is designed specifically to stop supersonic high manuevering missiles, and can be quad packed into a single Mk41 cell.

A CBG is protected by a destroyer squadron of 8 ships + 2 cruisers totalling more than 1000 such cells.

So, there will be more than 1000 essm blocking any missile's way, and that would take only 25% of usable space.
 

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Frankly, there is nothing stop the carrier air wing such as F-35C to escort their AWACs, if you want to get 300 km from the AWACs chance are you already get attacked by F-35 with LREW, AIM-260.
Quite funny aim 260 isn't in service yet . And you mock nirbhaya.
Again, you still unable to distinguish between ferry range and combat radius. Su-30 can fly 3000 km as its ferry range, which is irrelevant if you want it to carry weapon, and also irrelevant if you don't want it to literarily fall down the ocean after the end of the trip and dont come back. What important is combat radius, which Su-30 can only do about 1300 km
You were arguing with refueling f18. You do realise su30 could also refuel .they could even refuel each other without using any tanker to play around with range at will. Does that all come into calculation or we it will all be straight forwarded because American fanboy thinks so?
Given the range already calculated, your hypersonic and supersonic missile wont even have the chance to touch the carrier.
Dude in service shaurya can hit 1800km with 180 km payload enough to destroy carrier ramp permanently. With lesser payload it could go even farther. And it will come with 7.5 Mach so what will your coyote practice do.
LRSM (3400 km) is far more than enough to attack Indian land target even when the carrier park more than 2000 km from Indian shore.
Same thing goes both side. All American basis , station will be attacked within 2000km radius around Indian shores. So what does US gains ?
It can't come closer can't deploy soldiers! Mission failed? Now what.
and HSCW range is at least 4000 km, so again, the carrier with its air wing can literally strike with immunity
You think India hypersonic weapons will have less range? Keep believing that ! There is no immunity india too will strike back at every US assets at full range of its weaponry. Carrier if remains 2000km away can't protect submarines and other assets . The whole armada then can't move forward. What a joke. Is this what 30billion were spent far to attack Indian coast with some air to surface missile. Could have borrowers kalbir from Russia!


You have no idea what a carriers is supposed to do .it moves closer in protecting destroyers and submarines so that costs can be conquered eventually. A carries which is sitting 2000km from enemy shore is a joke . A very very expensive joke.
 

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Raytheon SM-6s intercept targets in 'engage on remote' tests
The first SM-6 intercepted a low-altitude, short-range supersonic target (GQM-163A), while the second intercepted a low-altitude, medium-range subsonic target (BQM-74E).
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...gets-in-engage-on-remote-tests-523540582.html

Not only the US has demonstrated that it can destroy superonic AShM but also Japan and France using Coyote target missile.

Japanese Test Engages Supersonic Target on WSMR
This test series included the intercept of a GQM-163A Coyote, a U.S. Navy target system used to represent supersonic cruise missile and anti-surface missile threats. According to the Navy's Aerial Targets and Decoys Program Office, the Coyote is capable of representing several different threats. Cruising at a low altitude, the system can represent a supersonic anti-surface missile, or the target can climb to a high-altitude and descend at a supersonic speed to represent an air launched or ballistic threat.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ar...panese_test_engages_supersonic_target_on_wsmr

French Navy frigate successfully intercepts supersonic sea-skimming missile
The French Navy has successfully completed the first aerial target live fire of the US Navy’s GQM-163A Coyote Supersonic Sea Skimming Target (SSST), off the Ile du Levant coast, France.

During the trials, the French Navy’s Horizon-class air defence frigate, Forbin successfully tracked the GQM-163A SSST and intercepted the Coyote target with an Aster 30 surface-to-air missile in flight.
https://www.naval-technology.com/ne...y-intercepts-supersonic-sea-skimming-missile/
Again same coyote . Very well even I give you this point tell me wise one how will you stop hypersonic 7.5 Mach shaurya. And by the time USA will practice and perfect it. We would have moved to sfdr / glide boost missiles. So keep trying.
 

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The whole carrier borne fighter will attack with SAM thing is very funny .
:pound::pound::pound::pound:

Idiots could have developed even longer range missile why waste 15 billion dollars to build Carrier and 15 billion for fighter just to attack with Sam's. :shock::shock:

Genius:hail: . I can't debate this. US navy is genius:hail:

BTW could use old ballistic missile with conventional warhead would be even cheaper and as effective as Sam's. :bounce:

Sam should read ASM air to surface. Laughing too loud leads to mistakes.:laugh:
 
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ESSM is equivalent in capability to Barak 8, and is designed specifically to stop supersonic high manuevering missiles, and can be quad packed into a single Mk41 cell.

A CBG is protected by a destroyer squadron of 8 ships + 2 cruisers totalling more than 1000 such cells.

So, there will be more than 1000 essm blocking any missile's way, and that would take only 25% of usable space.
I have debunked this all many times before . Frankly I don't have energy to debate anymore.

The goal of carrier task force is to slowly move all assets toward enemy coast. The closer you come to Indian costs the more heavy missile attacks you get. It's sucide mission for any carrier. This is last for me . I'm off the forum for few days . Enough dose of stupidity.
 

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Even the air launched Nirbhaya doesn't have IIR or radar seeker so I dont see how it is possible for it to attack moving target.
You Don't have To :facepalm:All you Have lock the Coordinates And Activate Air-burst mode
Which For us Because of ISRO

Besides, the Nimitz alone can carry about 70-80 fighters, and there are also support from Aegis destroyers, so how many planes does Indian intended to lose in such attack? 100? 200? Or 300 air plane?
Last but not least, I have explained earlier, the combat radius of F-18 alone is 1300 km, increase to 1800 km with XQ-25 tanker, JASSM-XR range is 1600 km, that make a total of 3400 km, so why would the carrier even want to park 1800 km from the shore?

India Will use Volley Agni 1 Prime & Agni-2 agni-3 Prime, Shaurayas And Prithiv's Dhanush arming With low yield Nukes in Air burst Mode
EMP Will Alone Destroy Any CBG carrier group



SwordWish radar Ability Track 1500km-2000 km a marble size target

Any Hostile Satellite Will Destroyed By ASAT Kill Vehicle

If CBG In Pacific India Will Surely Use K-15 And K-4 series SLBM

India Will Surely Unleash It Ability of MIRV And Marv's

Geopolitical Move Will India Signing NATO Like Pact With China-Russia

India Already signed It With USSR in 1971 Saved our Ass in indo pak war

Indian Ocean Will be No go zone for nato and US allies.We Will Make it Surely
possible along With Chinese & Russians
US allies have to Vacate Diago garcia After We Will give Chinese Subs And Russian Subs Stationed in Vizag And Andaman islands


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Soviet_Treaty_of_Friendship_and_Cooperation
 
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You Don't have To :facepalm:All you Have lock the Coordinates And Activate Air-burst mode



India Will use Volley Agni 1 Prime & Agni-2 agni-3 Prime, Shaurayas And Prithiv's Dhanush arming With low yield Nukes in Air burst Mode
EMP Will Alone Destroy Any CBG carrier group



SwordWish radar Ability Track 1500km-2000 km a marble size target

Any Hostile Satellite Will Destroyed By ASAT Kill Vehicle

If CBG In Pacific India Will Surely Use K-15 And K-4 series SLBM

India Will Surely Unleash It Ability of MIRV And Marv's
Well we were not going nuclear just now. Unless US marine land on India and defeat only 35 million armed men India have. Let's give the a fair chance.
 

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Well we were not going nuclear just now. Unless US marine land on India and defeat only 35 million armed men India have. Let's give the a fair chance.
US Will be annihilated So far from there Main land
India Is only country after China And Russia That Can hit all US Major Cities

MAD is assured For them

First Move Will India Unleashing MIRV ICBM's testing

And Nuclear Production We can Surely produce 500 in 1-2 years With are 22 Nuclear reactors

Rest We Will Share Like Nato countries With
Russians

India Switching Over To China and Russia Will Disastrous Suicidal geopolitical self goal for US Political Future
ME Countries Will Switch Sides New Asian Nato
 
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Forget about these things .. USA can't conquer us because of population... Secondly once us satellites are gone , then there weapons will only be as effective as Russians.. accuracy of there weapons will be greatly diminished by taking out there C4ISR... Thats one of the reason why USA responded in 2007 of Chinese ASAT test.. USA is too much dependent on satellites.. . Frankly once satellites are gone it's game over for any country..
 

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Quite funny aim 260 isn't in service yet . And you mock nirbhaya.
Even without AIM-260, there is nothing stopping F-35 from attacking your Su-30 with AIM-120D.
Like seriously, given that AEW&C can detect Su-30 from 600 km, that mean to attack it your Su-30 have to move at least 300 km forward. Do you really think F-35 escort wont move forward as well?. Never mind the fact that F-35 itself can also carry Meteor and JNAAM so nothing would prevent US from purchasing that from its closest Ally if it is such as wonder weapon.

You were arguing with refueling f18. You do realise su30 could also refuel .they could even refuel each other without using any tanker to play around with range at will. Does that all come into calculation or we it will all be straight forwarded because American fanboy thinks so?
Well the issue is that India have a "HUGE"tanker fleet of 12 aircraft. Hardly enough to sustain the operation. Nevermind the fact that while a carrier can move, important land infrastructure such as command center, hydro dam , bunker, OTHR radar .. etc can't which mean the carrier have pretty easy time approach from any direction to launch their attack at targets with known coordinate while Indian side will actually need a mean to track the carrier from 3400 km away at least, something they are incapable of.
And for your information, F-18 can do buddy refueling too, and no that doesnt suddenly mean you can play around with the range at will since your aircraft cant just magically pull fuel out of thin air



Dude in service shaurya can hit 1800km with 180 km payload enough to destroy carrier ramp permanently. With lesser payload it could go even farther. And it will come with 7.5 Mach so what will your coyote practice do.
Shaurya is a ballistic missile which was designed to attack stationary target, to attack a moving carrier you need a lot of significant modification such as on DF-21 something that Indian simply does not have. And there is nothing stop the US side from intercepting it with SM-3 either, since it is literally just a ballistic missile.
After all Us can and did make an air launched ballistic missile decoy with ability to maneuver in terminal stage






You think India hypersonic weapons will have less range? Keep believing that ! There is no immunity india too will strike back at every US assets at full range of its weaponry. Carrier if remains 2000km away can't protect submarines and other assets . The whole armada then can't move forward. What a joke. Is this what 30billion were spent far to attack Indian coast with some air to surface missile. Could have borrowers kalbir from Russia!
Lol what, you don't have to come close to protect the submarine, what the heck do you think can attack a submarine from 2000 km???? Literally nothing, torpedo have 50-60 km range at most.
Also for your information, US also have weapons similar to Kalbir which they already put in service decades ago called AGM-86 with 2400 km range
and AGM-129 with 3700 km range.

You have no idea what a carriers is supposed to do .it moves closer in protecting destroyers and submarines so that costs can be conquered eventually. A carries which is sitting 2000km from enemy shore is a joke . A very very expensive joke.
Again, submarine doesn't need protection, you would be very lucky to detect it from 50 km aways, let alone 2000 km , and there is not a single weapon to attack it from that distance. And Destroyer can also stay from further than 2000 km and attack with their PGS weapon, and if we goes full nuclear as your friend mentioned, the nuclear version of tomahawk has 1300 nm range.
 

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You Don't have To :facepalm:All you Have lock the Coordinates And Activate Air-burst mode
Which For us Because of ISRO
Well, no actually,
Nirbhay is a subsonic missile, let say its top speed is Mach 0.85, it will take 57 minutes to fly 1000 km distance. In that time, the Nimitz with its 57 km/h speed could already move 54 km from original position.



India Will use Volley Agni 1 Prime & Agni-2 agni-3 Prime, Shaurayas And Prithiv's Dhanush arming With low yield Nukes in Air burst Mode
EMP Will Alone Destroy Any CBG carrier group

Firstly, modern military aircraft have a certain level of EMP protection
B.12.3 EMP Protection
Electronic equipment can be EMP-hardened. The primary objective of EMP hardening is to reduce the electrical pulse entering a system or piece of equipment to a level that will not cause component burnout or operational upset. It is always cheaper and more effective to design the EMP protection into the system during design development. Potential hardening techniques include using certain materials as radio frequency shielding filters, using internal enclosed protective “cages” around essential electronic components, using enhanced electrical grounding, shielded cables, keeping the equipment in closed protective cases, or keeping the equipment in an EMP-protected room or facility. Normally, the hardening that permits equipment to operate in intense radar fields (e.g., helicopters that operate in front of a ship’s radars) also provides a significant degree of EMP protection
all military aircraft are designed and tested to survive nuclear EMP. There is a test site at NAS Patuxent River, MD which can simulate pulses up to 50kVm, and is used by all three military services They also have a standard called
MIL-STD-461 which provides test methodology and screening levels for determining a device’s immunity to EMP from a radiated and conducted standpoint. The coupling modes onto the equipment enclosure and its interconnecting cabling can be complex, therefore are evaluated separately.

The RS105 test method specified in MIL-STD-461G addresses the risk of radiated exposure to an EMP event. RS105 testing is generally applicable for equipment installed in exposed and partially exposed environments. The U.S. Navy requires RS105 testing for nearly every installation platform, surface ships, submarines, and aircraft, to ground applications.

The RS105 pulse characteristics consist of a fast rise time, short pulse duration, and high amplitude which resemble those of an actual EMP. Peak field strengths of 50 kV/m are specified for exposed equipment

https://www.nts.com/services/testing/emc/electromagnetic-pulse-testing/

https://www.metlabs.com/emc/emc-sym...d-inclusion-of-esd-lightning-in-mil-std-461g/

Secondly, do you really believe that you could use nuclear weapon against US carrier and expect that they won't use their ICBM and SLBM against your land????
And is it even smart to use nuclear weapons against a country which have 44 times more warhead than your own?



SwordWish radar Ability Track 1500km-2000 km a marble size target

Sword fish is a derivative of Israel Green pipe anti ballistic missile radar. It is not designed to track surface or low altitude target and it can't see over the horizon, so it will do nothing to detect a carrier or surface ship from 3400 km away.

Any Hostile Satellite Will Destroyed By ASAT Kill Vehicle
Ok, GPS satellite orbit is at 20200 km altitude, which Indian ASAT can even reach that altitude to destroy the satellite?


If CBG In Pacific India Will Surely Use K-15 And K-4 series SLBM
India Will Surely Unleash It Ability of MIRV And Marv's
Neither K-15 or K-4 are ballistic missile with moving target ability, and really nothing would stop US from doing exactly the same thing to Indian land targets which will cause significantly more destruction given that civilian infrastructure are not EMP hardened
 
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They'll be the first to be shot down and the can be shot down from 300km away with meteor type sfdr missiles. Same goes for tankers. F18 won't be that's why carrier will have to come near.
Lot of pointless speculation... For instance, when some aircraft is trying to shoot down an AWACS/Tanker from 300 km, the target needs to be illuminated by the attacking aircraft till it’s in the range of active seeker of the missile. For Meteor, that’s around 30km. That means 270 km of your 300 km needs to be guided by FCR of attacking aircraft.

Now, tankers and AWACS don’t fly solo, they are heavily protected by an air combat group (usually in front of them). So what do you think that package would be doing? Waiting for you to finish off their most prized asset? No!

While you are guiding your large AAM to their AWACS or a tanker, your RWR and MAWS (if you have one- IAF does not) will start beeping like crazy and you will be either forced to break the “lock” to take evasive action or be shot down. Your AAM will never reach the AWACS.

Usually, as soon as the air combat begins, you need to take care of enemies that fire back first. If you succeed, only then you can work on other ideas.

Little off topic but in WWII, Luftwaffe faced similar dilemma. Bombing raids over Germany were carried out by both the 8th Air Force and RAF with bombers escorted by fighters. The short range of Allied fighters was an issue till 1944. They could not accompany the bombers all the way up to their targets deep inside Germany forcing Allied bombers to defend themselves against Germans.

Luftwaffe could either intercept the Allies as soon as they entered mainland Europe or could wait till the fighter escorts were gone. Wisely, they chose the latter and casualty rate among Allied bombing crew became unsustainable- forcing suspension of these deep raids.

Then something miraculous happened. In 1944, Rolls Royce Merlin engine was fitted on otherwise ordinary P-51 Mustang, turning it into the greatest American fighter of the war. It had the firepower and range to escort the bombers all the way up to their targets in Germany with enough fuel for dogfights.

Now, Luftwaffe had to decide: 1. Only attack the bombers of the strike package and prevent them from bombing vital installations while ignoring the Mustangs. OR 2. Fight their way through the fighter escort and attack the bombers only if Mustangs are destroyed.

The first option was a disaster. Mustangs easily picked out German fighters trying to attack Allied bombers and shot them down before any of them could deliver damage.

The second option became the only viable solution turning these bombing raids into a war of attrition.

The lesson here is quite relevant to your assertion.
 
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Firstly, modern military aircraft have a certain level of EMP protection
It's not There is No protection against Nuclear Based EMP Blast and it Sheer Velocity
That is why Both USSR and USA of Nukes space.
Sword fish is a derivative of Israel Green pine anti-ballistic missile radar. It is not designed to track surface or low altitude target and it can't see over the horizon, so it will do nothing to detect a carrier or surface ship from 3400 km away.
There nothing called Anti ballastic radar
Green pine designed For all targets
Ok, GPS satellite orbit is at 20200 km altitude, which Indian ASAT can even reach that altitude to destroy the satellite?
BS most Military Stats Fly in low altitude
BTw 300 -1000Km
Well, no actually,
Nirbhay is a subsonic missile, let say its top speed is Mach 0.85, it will take 57 minutes to fly 1000 km distance. In that time, the Nimitz with its 57 km/h speed could already move 54 km from original position.




Firstly, modern military aircraft have a certain level of EMP protection

all military aircraft are designed and tested to survive nuclear EMP. There is a test site at NAS Patuxent River, MD which can simulate pulses up to 50kVm, and is used by all three military services They also have a standard called
MIL-STD-461 which provides test methodology and screening levels for determining a device’s immunity to EMP from a radiated and conducted standpoint. The coupling modes onto the equipment enclosure and its interconnecting cabling can be complex, therefore are evaluated separately.

The RS105 test method specified in MIL-STD-461G addresses the risk of radiated exposure to an EMP event. RS105 testing is generally applicable for equipment installed in exposed and partially exposed environments. The U.S. Navy requires RS105 testing for nearly every installation platform, surface ships, submarines, and aircraft, to ground applications.

The RS105 pulse characteristics consist of a fast rise time, short pulse duration, and high amplitude which resemble those of an actual EMP. Peak field strengths of 50 kV/m are specified for exposed equipment

https://www.nts.com/services/testing/emc/electromagnetic-pulse-testing/

https://www.metlabs.com/emc/emc-sym...d-inclusion-of-esd-lightning-in-mil-std-461g/

Secondly, do you really believe that you could use nuclear weapon against US carrier and expect that they won't use their ICBM and SLBM against your land????
And is it even smart to use nuclear weapons against a country which have 44 times more warhead than your own?




SwSwordfishs a derivative of Israel Green pipe ananti-ballisticissile radar. It is not designed to track surface or low altitude target and it can't see over the horizon, so it will do nothing to detect a carrier or surface ship from 3400 km away.


Ok, GPS satellite orbit is at 20200 km altitude, which Indian ASAT can even reach that altitude to destroy the satellite?



Neither K-15 or K-4 are ballistic missile with moving target ability, and really nothing would stop US from doing exactly the same thing to Indian land targets which will cause significantly more destruction given that civilian infrastructure are not EMP hardened
Here Comes another Dumb argument you don't have Hit the Target Missiles
Have proximity burst
Modern ballistic have Improved CEP around 50m-100m

There is Mode of ballistic Missiles
Called Airburst.

All you what Lock the target Coordinates
And launch Volley of missiles
With Nukes yielding 5-15Kt.
The EMP Destroy anything
even if you saved By

EMP no One save From Nuclear Impact

There is no Safety Against Nuclear Based EMP
Lately US-Soviet Banned space Testing Nukes for same reason

India to Can Convert it's SLV's and GSLV'S
In ICBM's
Specifically all Solid Fuel

All Modern ICBMs
Originated From SLV's Tech
 
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all military aircraft are designed and tested to survive nuclear EMP. There is a test site at NAS Patuxent River, MD which can simulate pulses up to 50kVm, and is used by all three military services They also have a standard called MIL-STD-461 which provides test methodology and screening levels for determining a device’s immunity to EMP from a radiated and conducted standpoint. The coupling modes onto the equipment enclosure and its interconnecting cabling can be complex, therefore are evaluated separately.

The RS105 test method specified in MIL-STD-461G addresses the risk of radiated exposure to an EMP event. RS105 testing is generally applicable for equipment installed in exposed and partially exposed environments. The U.S. Navy requires RS105 testing for nearly every installation platform, surface ships, submarines, and aircraft, to ground applications.
Here To Open your Eyes
US had strategy prepare NEMP
Attack like same As Any speculative Plans
But all are Hypothetical plans
Just as protection Against Chinese and Russians..Hypersonic glide Rv's




In written testimony delivered to the United States Senate in 2005, an EMP Commission staff member reported:

“ The EMP Commission sponsored a worldwide survey of foreign scientific and military literature to evaluate the knowledge, and possibly the intentions, of foreign states with respect to electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack. The survey found that the physics of EMP phenomenon and the military potential of EMP attack are widely understood in the international community, as reflected in official and unofficial writings and statements. The survey of open sources over the past decade finds that knowledge about EMP and EMP attack is evidenced in at least Britain, France, Germany, Israel, Egypt, Taiwan, Sweden, Cuba, India, Pakistan, Iraq under Saddam Hussein, Iran, North Korea, China and Russia.
Many foreign analysts – particularly in Iran, North Korea, China, and Russia – view the United States as a potential aggressor that would be willing to use its entire panoply of weapons, including nuclear weapons, in a first strike. They perceive the United States as having contingency plans to make a nuclear EMP attack, and as being willing to execute those plans under a broad range of circumstances.

Russian and Chinese military scientists in open source writings describe the basic principles of nuclear weapons designed specifically to generate an enhanced-EMP effect, that they term "Super-the weapons. "Super-EMP" weapons, according to these foreign open source writings, can destroy even the best protected U.S. military and civilian electronic

https://web.archive.org/web/20121108204504/http://kyl.senate.gov/legis_center/subdocs/030805_pry.pdf

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse

PS: Also Read USSR test these regards

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Project_K_nuclear_tests

Even US NEMP tests
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime


 
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To prevent this headache discussion going nowhere about supersonic and hypersonic AShM and countermeasures against them: I would like to have a conclusion. F-35 is way more interesting discussion. (Except on Turkish forums)

No carrier battle group (CBG) will ever go close to enemy fielding long range AShM like Brahmos or CM-400. Although, theoretically any incoming missile can be intercepted including supersonic ones, risk is far too great for a CBG to test the defenses.

Studies done on Harpoon have shown that salvo firing of even subsonic AShM can overwhelm most modern defenses and hit the target. Using supersonic missiles will greatly decrease the reaction time available to defenders.

On flip side, supersonic missiles are much easier to detect due to their speed and size. Also, when fired they go high up first and can be detected by AWACS. Stealthy missiles such as NSM are harder to spot and engage for defenses due to difficult radar lock. Also, their smaller size enables larger saturation attacks. The S-shape terminal dive of Brahmos sounds good but it also slows down the missile giving that extra second to fire up another SAM.

These differences are armchair discussions but in real life, saturation attacks with either of them may cripple modern air defense. No sane commander would put his/her fleet in harms way by coming close these missiles- that includes US commanders! So, for foreseeable future, theories on interception of supersonic missiles will only remain theories and unlikely to be tested in war.
 

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