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F35 is more stalthy (you say) than Rafale. But by how much ? How much stealthy is the F35 than the Rafale ?
F-35 Joint Strike Fighter
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Seems written by LM marketing department :
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Know Your 'Rafale'
ToT or CKD for Made in India ” Dassault Rafale ? 8 Years after Talks broke down in 2012, over differences in localisation and pricing of Made in India Dassault Rafale for the Indian Air Force (IAF). Chorus for Direct Government to Government (G2G) deal for the purchase of 114 units of Dassault...
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That's how the initial discussion of Rafale for Greece started, besides Greece officially requested F-35 in January before they requested Rafale when their PM met Teflon Don, so consider it a done deal.
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After all, Greece is equipped with F16 and M2000. Always 2 sources.
Not suprising they want to replace them by a US and a non US one.
But between a green light and a formal purchase, long may be the road, specially when you are poor and under covid.
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Bro Are you French ?
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I am.
The english Flag came from my VPN....
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Again you underestimate the Trump admin salesmanship which has set record sales for all Teen platforms. Also, poor and COVID applies to virtually all countries. Besides, Greece being poor country still has more integrity by consistency meeting NATO spending requirements that apparent rich countries.
Besides Green-light from Pompeo is all that is needed, those originally Turkish aircraft are already mostly built. As for payment, not an issue since payments are made during delivery and spreading the delivery of around 20 F-35 over 4 years will allow Greece to pay it quite easily.
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It will not happend.
Because of CATSAA (S400 purchase),
Because India hope to be self reliant in a few years (few in India may mean 10 - 15 years...)
Because the F35 is not combat ready, isn't rustic enough and need too much support.
In Greece it's not made. Once Turkey will not have it, why do you want Greece to acquire it? It may be seen as another greek provocation by Turkey. Rafale is the perfect answer.
Notes for airshow announcers to tell the public from a manufacturer, that's what you have?
Also, impressed with it's combat prowess tested in Libya against that advanced air defense network.
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It was the official Dassault document for Le Bourget 2011.Notes for airshow announcers to tell the public from a manufacturer, that's what you have?
This summer a Rafale strike against a Turkish air base in Lybia accured. Air base with radars and SAM. Flight not detected....
We are waiting for the first real and proved mission of F35....
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The F-35 Still Isn't Actually 'Done'
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The F-35 Still Isn't Actually 'Done'
If you thought the Joint Strike Fighter was already in production, you're technically wrong.
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Greece to Receive 20 F-35A Stealth Jets Including Six Destined for Turkey: Reports
The United States has approved the sale of 20 F-35A Lightning II stealth fighter jets to Greece including six originally destined for Turkey, according to reports.
Greek newspaper Estia reported that the procurement of the jets were discussed during the visit to the country by the U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo earlier this month. According to the report, the six F-35As will be purchased in 2022.
Last month, Greece also announced its intention to acquire 18 Dassault Rafale fighter jets from France to equip the Hellenic Air Force.
The new developments came amid a standoff between Greece and Turkey over territorial dispute in the Eastern Mediterranean.
Turkey was expelled from the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program after it took delivery of the Russian S-400 Triumf advanced air defense systems. The U.S. said that S-400 is a threat to the stealth fighter jet and it compromises the shared NATO air defence systems.
Turkey recently began live-fire testing of its S-400 Triumf system from the Sinop province on the Black Sea coast. The test-firings were condemned by Washington.
The United States has approved the sale of 20 F-35A Lightning II stealth fighter jets to Greece including six originally destined for Turkey, according to reports.
Greek newspaper Estia reported that the procurement of the jets were discussed during the visit to the country by the U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo earlier this month. According to the report, the six F-35As will be purchased in 2022.
Last month, Greece also announced its intention to acquire 18 Dassault Rafale fighter jets from France to equip the Hellenic Air Force.
The new developments came amid a standoff between Greece and Turkey over territorial dispute in the Eastern Mediterranean.
Turkey was expelled from the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program after it took delivery of the Russian S-400 Triumf advanced air defense systems. The U.S. said that S-400 is a threat to the stealth fighter jet and it compromises the shared NATO air defence systems.
Turkey recently began live-fire testing of its S-400 Triumf system from the Sinop province on the Black Sea coast. The test-firings were condemned by Washington.
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After UAE deal, Israel asks U.S. for F-22 stealth jets to preserve military edge
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Exportable F-22s?
Read the articles, lots of 'alledged' and 'was told Rafale involved'. You can accept that but not accept Israel declaring f-35 used in Syria. And do not bring up Syria's air defense because it is a damn sight better than the mim-23 hawk and local electronics systems Turkey had there, f-16's could have beaten that. In fact some claim it was done by Mirages.It was the official Dassault document for Le Bourget 2011.
This summer a Rafale strike against a Turkish air base in Lybia accured. Air base with radars and SAM. Flight not detected....
We are waiting for the first real and proved mission of F35....
It would make sense for the US, Japan and Israel to fund restarting the f-22 line and upgrade it. It might get in the way of the f-35 but I believe the price would be more expensive and keep the f-35 as a 'cheaper' alternative.After UAE deal, Israel asks U.S. for F-22 stealth jets to preserve military edge
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Exportable F-22s?
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I won’t be surprised seeing F-22s flying in Israeli colours coz the reason the F-22 was never exported was because it is the most advanced aircraft ever made, so might be possible that USA can offer a scaled down version of the Raptors to the IDF. God knows better.After UAE deal, Israel asks U.S. for F-22 stealth jets to preserve military edge
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UAE could get up to 50 F-35s in $10B sale
The U.S. State Department is backing the sale of as many as 50 F-35 joint strike fighters to the United Arab Emirates in an arms deal worth an estimated $10.4 billion, according to multiple reports. The news came as the Trump administration informally briefed Congress on its plan to sell the advanced F-35 fighter to the United Arab Emirates Thursday. It follows weeks of speculation and behind-the-scenes debates about how to structure an F-35 deal with the UAE without cutting into Israel’s qualitative military edge. If the sale is permitted by Congress and the UAE opts to buy the full number of F-35A conventional takeoff and landing variants covered by the deal, it would have parity with Israel, which has 50 F-35 “Adir” jets under contract, although the country is considering buying 25 more. (The quantities and values of such deals often change from initial estimates.) Amid reports the Trump administration is fast-tracking the F-35 sales, key Democratic lawmakers are continuing to urge a deliberate approach, citing concerns for Israel’s security and the security of the warplane’s sensitive technology. “This technology would significantly change the military balance in the Gulf and affect Israel’s military edge,” House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Rep. Eliot Engel, D-N.Y., said in a statement. “The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is a game-changing stealth platform boasting advanced strike capability and unique sensor technology. The export of this aircraft requires very careful consideration and Congress must analyze all the ramifications. Rushing these sales is not in anyone’s interest.” The consultations came days after Israel said last week it will not oppose the U.S. sale of “certain weapon systems,” widely considered to mean the F-35. That followed an agreement between Israel and the United States to upgrade its capabilities to preserve its edge. Engel said he plans to weigh the U.S. legal obligation to maintain Israel’s military superiority in the region, as well the question of whether the sale would drive demands from other Middle Eastern nations to buy the F-35 in exchange for normalized ties with Israel. (The Trump administration recently brokered such a pact between Israel and the UAE.) “Israel currently has exclusive access in the region to the F-35, which has guaranteed its military edge over the last several years. As Congress reviews this sale, it must be clear that changes to the status quo will not put Israel’s military advantage at risk,” Engel said. “This technology also must be safeguarded from our greatest global adversaries. With Russia and China active in the region, the American people will require unimpeachable assurances that our most advanced military capabilities will be protected.” For decades, the State Department has informally consulted with the Senate Foreign Relations and House Foreign Affairs committees before formally notifying Congress of sales, which affords lawmakers a chance to block them. Though lawmakers typically consider such deliberations sensitive and rarely speak publicly about them, Engel broke the news Congress had been informally notified. Assistant Secretary Bureau of Political-Military Affairs R. Clarke Cooper told reporters Wednesday the department plans to honor that process. Though Reuters has reported there is a goal to have a letter of agreement between the U.S. and the UAE by Dec. 2, Cooper said “there are no dates associated with the work that’s being done.” He declined to provide specifics of a potential deal and the State Department declined to comment on Thursday. F-35 prime contractor Lockheed Martin referred questions to the State Department. Israeli opposition would be fatal to the deal in Congress, where Israel enjoys strong support. Two key Democrats introduced legislation earlier this month that would place restrictions on F-35 sales to Middle Eastern nations to address their concerns about both the Israel’s security and the security of F-35 technology. On Thursday, Engel invited colleagues to join him in legislation, “to ensure that the sale of these types of weapons adhere to our most important national security goals.”
The U.S. State Department is backing the sale of as many as 50 F-35 joint strike fighters to the United Arab Emirates in an arms deal worth an estimated $10.4 billion, according to multiple reports. The news came as the Trump administration informally briefed Congress on its plan to sell the advanced F-35 fighter to the United Arab Emirates Thursday. It follows weeks of speculation and behind-the-scenes debates about how to structure an F-35 deal with the UAE without cutting into Israel’s qualitative military edge. If the sale is permitted by Congress and the UAE opts to buy the full number of F-35A conventional takeoff and landing variants covered by the deal, it would have parity with Israel, which has 50 F-35 “Adir” jets under contract, although the country is considering buying 25 more. (The quantities and values of such deals often change from initial estimates.) Amid reports the Trump administration is fast-tracking the F-35 sales, key Democratic lawmakers are continuing to urge a deliberate approach, citing concerns for Israel’s security and the security of the warplane’s sensitive technology. “This technology would significantly change the military balance in the Gulf and affect Israel’s military edge,” House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Rep. Eliot Engel, D-N.Y., said in a statement. “The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is a game-changing stealth platform boasting advanced strike capability and unique sensor technology. The export of this aircraft requires very careful consideration and Congress must analyze all the ramifications. Rushing these sales is not in anyone’s interest.” The consultations came days after Israel said last week it will not oppose the U.S. sale of “certain weapon systems,” widely considered to mean the F-35. That followed an agreement between Israel and the United States to upgrade its capabilities to preserve its edge. Engel said he plans to weigh the U.S. legal obligation to maintain Israel’s military superiority in the region, as well the question of whether the sale would drive demands from other Middle Eastern nations to buy the F-35 in exchange for normalized ties with Israel. (The Trump administration recently brokered such a pact between Israel and the UAE.) “Israel currently has exclusive access in the region to the F-35, which has guaranteed its military edge over the last several years. As Congress reviews this sale, it must be clear that changes to the status quo will not put Israel’s military advantage at risk,” Engel said. “This technology also must be safeguarded from our greatest global adversaries. With Russia and China active in the region, the American people will require unimpeachable assurances that our most advanced military capabilities will be protected.” For decades, the State Department has informally consulted with the Senate Foreign Relations and House Foreign Affairs committees before formally notifying Congress of sales, which affords lawmakers a chance to block them. Though lawmakers typically consider such deliberations sensitive and rarely speak publicly about them, Engel broke the news Congress had been informally notified. Assistant Secretary Bureau of Political-Military Affairs R. Clarke Cooper told reporters Wednesday the department plans to honor that process. Though Reuters has reported there is a goal to have a letter of agreement between the U.S. and the UAE by Dec. 2, Cooper said “there are no dates associated with the work that’s being done.” He declined to provide specifics of a potential deal and the State Department declined to comment on Thursday. F-35 prime contractor Lockheed Martin referred questions to the State Department. Israeli opposition would be fatal to the deal in Congress, where Israel enjoys strong support. Two key Democrats introduced legislation earlier this month that would place restrictions on F-35 sales to Middle Eastern nations to address their concerns about both the Israel’s security and the security of F-35 technology. On Thursday, Engel invited colleagues to join him in legislation, “to ensure that the sale of these types of weapons adhere to our most important national security goals.”
