F-18 for India ?

[Immanuel]

Where all ? Which are the High altitude areas of USA ?
Or do you see the mountains in the snow ??

List of mountain peaks of the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There plenty of mountain ranges in the US and the TOP 50 have an altitude range between 3000-6000 m.

 

[Wisemarko]

Watch: Pulling 9G on F-16V
Still F-16 is an incredible machine.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

For people pushing for the F/A-18 for the Indian Air Force or any other US fighters:

Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Claims American Fighters Are Only Useful for Airshows - Why F-18s Can’t Fight Without Washington’s Permission

"Mahathir noted regarding the terms imposed by the U.S. on clients for its fighter aircraft that the source codes for the jets were not provided, meaning: “we cannot program the plane for any attacks against other countries without getting the programming done by Americans. So although the planes are very good, in terms of performance very powerful engines, but we cannot program the plane by ourselves. You have to refer to the United States for putting the program for any raid on foreign countries for example. So our planes were costly. We have them. We can fly them at airshows. But we cannot use them to fight any other country because we don’t get the source code.”

No wonder Pakistanis always have to deny their F-16s were used or shot down !

Doesn't make sense. Does he tell F18 can recognise borders and refuse to fire missiles after crossing the border? If he meant American permission then that's a different story. Even then the pilot can still fire missiles. No country provides source codes. Even if Malaysia selects Tejas we aren't giving them ours.

 

[Saynow]

Based on what I have learned, F-18 seems to me best suited fighter for Indian airforce. Why Indian gov is keep rejecting it ?

Also, Why everyone here hates Mig-35 ?

i dont think it is super aircraft that is why

 

[ashdoc]

if USA is going to help us build a factory of f 18s in India then maybe f 18 block 3 is not a bad idea. How many rafales can we buy if it is not going to be built in India ? On the other hand if f 18 will be built in India then we can make as many f 18s as we like.

 

[BON PLAN]

Doesn't make sense. Does he tell F18 can recognise borders and refuse to fire missiles after crossing the border? If he meant American permission then that's a different story. Even then the pilot can still fire missiles. No country provides source codes. Even if Malaysia selects Tejas we aren't giving them ours.

The GPS or INS system aboard can avoid the weapon system to fire if outside the area where Uncle Sam agree to....

 

[BON PLAN]

if USA is going to help us build a factory of f 18s in India then maybe f 18 block 3 is not a bad idea. How many rafales can we buy if it is not going to be built in India ? On the other hand if f 18 will be built in India then we can make as many f 18s as we like.

Why do you think DA&Reliance are building so many warehouses? Because there is an assembly mline included in any next Rafale order.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

The GPS or INS system aboard can avoid the weapon system to fire if outside the area where Uncle Sam agree to....

Really? But CCM or cannon are at the control of the pilots. I can understand that for BVR missiles.
Thinking of it I still can't get it. It means how can you do that? How will any country know when is danger supposed to lurk you? What happens if GPS is turned off?

 

[BON PLAN]

Really? But CCM or cannon are at the control of the pilots. I can understand that for BVR missiles.
Thinking of it I still can't get it. It means how can you do that? How will any country know when is danger supposed to lurk you? What happens if GPS is turned off?

Cannon is free,
CCM is linked to the avionic, so it's not mad to think it may be linked to a high autority agreement (uncle Sam ?).
Without GPS there are alternatives : Glonass, Beidou, Galileo.... but your bird need a system able to received the signals of these sat (in a US one it's doubtfull) And without GPS remain the inertial system inboard, less acurate but enough to find the way to go back to airbase.

UAE and Egyp discovered during the 2011 Lybian affair that they were not free to use their F16 as they want....
So it's a cruel reality.

 

[sunnyv]

Not happening. Bcoz in user trials only Eurofighter and Rafale met the req set by IAF. Our AirChief said the same thing. It is on record and in press also if I am not wrong.

 

[Wisemarko]

Soon In IN service:

 

[charlie]

Really? But CCM or cannon are at the control of the pilots. I can understand that for BVR missiles.
Thinking of it I still can't get it. It means how can you do that? How will any country know when is danger supposed to lurk you? What happens if GPS is turned off?

GPS can be turned off in certain area like it happened in kargil war, the only way US can stop CCM from firing is having same friend or foe equipment like it did with Israel vs turkey their f16 could not fire at Israel f16 as the introgrator would think it’s as a friend.

or in the Falkland’s war where the French gave the code to British to deflect the exocet missile if fired by Argentinian etendard

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

GPS can be turned off in certain area like it happened in kargil war, the only way US can stop CCM from firing is having same friend or foe equipment like it did with Israel vs turkey their f16 could not fire at Israel f16 as the introgrator would think it’s as a friend.

or in the Falkland’s war where the French gave the code to British to deflect the exocet missile if fired by Argentinian etendard

GPS was not turned off. India wasn’t even using GPS for military. And our military wanted it for accurate mapping/tracking purposes in the mountains where soldiers could get lost. US thought it would Accelerate Indian soldiers push towards victory and wanted india to be kept at bay to find an acceptable diplomatic solution for Pakistan.


All the above has no verified sources. In those days, there wasn’t even 2 way datalink. How would British disable Exocet even before it was fired? Missiles were not reliable. If you had 10 missiles, 5 would hit the target. It was an acceptable ratio back in 60’s and 70’s when missiles were being developed. Many Exocet missiles even failed to launch due to poor maintenance by the Argentinian’s.

 

[daya]

Cannon is free,
CCM is linked to the avionic, so it's not mad to think it may be linked to a high autority agreement (uncle Sam ?).
Without GPS there are alternatives : Glonass, Beidou, Galileo.... but your bird need a system able to received the signals of these sat (in a US one it's doubtfull) And without GPS remain the inertial system inboard, less acurate but enough to find the way to go back to airbase.

UAE and Egyp discovered during the 2011 Lybian affair that they were not free to use their F16 as they want....
So it's a cruel reality.

But Pak used and fired against us..

 

[BON PLAN]

But Pak used and fired against us..

Maybe, But will they received all the spare parts since?
Will they be allowed to upgrade their F16 (to bk70 for exemple)? no.

 

[daya]

Maybe, But will they received all the spare parts since?
Will they be allowed to upgrade their F16 (to bk70 for exemple)? no.

Let us wait and see what Biden admin does..

 

[Super falcon]

if USA is going to help us build a factory of f 18s in India then maybe f 18 block 3 is not a bad idea. How many rafales can we buy if it is not going to be built in India ? On the other hand if f 18 will be built in India then we can make as many f 18s as we like.

Factory for just 28 jets not going to happen what profit Boeing gets from deal has to invest twice in India only stupid bussiness group can do it

 

[Wisemarko]

Maybe, But will they received all the spare parts since?
Will they be allowed to upgrade their F16 (to bk70 for exemple)? no.

No but others can help.


F-16 Fighting Falcon will operate with new Turkey made AESA radar
By Boyko Nikolov on November 12, 2022

ANKARA ($1=18.57 Turkish Liras) — After being upgraded by Northrup Grumman, General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcons are equipped with new AN/APG-83 SABR radars. SABR is a multi-function active electronically scanned array [AESA] radar. According to open sources, the Pentagon has integrated this radar into 608 F-16C/D Block 40/42 and F-16C/D 50/52 fighters of the US Air Force.

On November 10th, it became clear that 205 F-16 Fighting Falcons will also receive an upgrade with a new radar system. However, this system is foreign made. It is the Turkish Air Force and their F-16s. The Turkish company Aselsan is working on a prototype AESA for F-16. Just two days ago, Ismail Demir, President of the Turkish Defense Industry presented the ready-made Aselsan AESA radar.

In addition to the new Aselsan AESA radar, the Turks have developed and integrated into their F-16s a new indigenous onboard computer. As Washington also refuses to re-arm the Turkish F-16s, the Merlin [Bozdoğan] Within Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile [WVRAAM] and Peregrine [Gökdoğan] Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile [BVRAAM]… all these can end up in Pakistani F-16.

 

[BON PLAN]

No but others can help.


F-16 Fighting Falcon will operate with new Turkey made AESA radar
By Boyko Nikolov on November 12, 2022

ANKARA ($1=18.57 Turkish Liras) — After being upgraded by Northrup Grumman, General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcons are equipped with new AN/APG-83 SABR radars. SABR is a multi-function active electronically scanned array [AESA] radar. According to open sources, the Pentagon has integrated this radar into 608 F-16C/D Block 40/42 and F-16C/D 50/52 fighters of the US Air Force.

On November 10th, it became clear that 205 F-16 Fighting Falcons will also receive an upgrade with a new radar system. However, this system is foreign made. It is the Turkish Air Force and their F-16s. The Turkish company Aselsan is working on a prototype AESA for F-16. Just two days ago, Ismail Demir, President of the Turkish Defense Industry presented the ready-made Aselsan AESA radar.

In addition to the new Aselsan AESA radar, the Turks have developed and integrated into their F-16s a new indigenous onboard computer. As Washington also refuses to re-arm the Turkish F-16s, the Merlin [Bozdoğan] Within Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile [WVRAAM] and Peregrine [Gökdoğan] Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile [BVRAAM]… all these can end up in Pakistani F-16.

Indeed, but what is the real status of these AESA radar? how potent are these AtoA missiles? Turkey made huge progress but is not a world wide competitor in these fields so far.
It is more a 2nd rank solution, and probabbly far away a bk70 upgrade.

 

[Wisemarko]

Indeed, but what is the real status of these AESA radar? how potent are these AtoA missiles? Turkey made huge progress but is not a world wide competitor in these fields so far.
It is more a 2nd rank solution, and probabbly far away a bk70 upgrade.

Easier to obtain off the shelf GaN modules than integration, cooling and software. It’s a part of Project OZGUR:

Project ÖZGÜR: Turkey starts modernizing its F-16 with indigenous technology

The ÖZGÜR project is a locally developed modernization package to be applied to the Turkish Air Force's F-16 Block 30 fleet. According to the SavunmaSanay

www.aviacionline.com