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PLAAF in campaign to wear out Japanese fighters :)

This is a strategy of pure attrition created by immensely high flight volumes. The Chinese aircraft involved are mostly J-16s and J-11Bs powered by WS-10s. The Japanese aircraft involved in response are J-15Js with F100s.

While US and Canadian aircraft do about seven intercepts a year, the Japanese must do nearly a thousand!

This is intended to wear down the Japanese air force so they simply accept Chinese aircraft going through certain areas claimed by both nations.

China is betting its fighters can simply overwhelm the Japanese and their fighters with the numbers of flights.

This is an endurance contest between the logistics and maintenance ability of China and Japan -- it cannot be run if the engines of the Chinese planes were inferior ;)


Japan's air force faces a 'relentless' burden, imposed by China
By Brad Lendon and Yoko Wakatsuki, CNN
Updated 12:08 AM EDT, Wed July 29, 2020

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The air forces of the 27 European members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) combined flew fewer than half the intercepts last year than Japan did.

"I can tell you that over the 12 months period of 2019, NATO jets took to the skies approximately 430 times to intercept or visually identify unidentified aircraft that flew either in, close to, or towards NATO airspace," Lt. Col. Michael Wawrzyniak, chief public affairs officer for Allied Air Command in Germany, told CNN.

Across the Atlantic, US and Canadian fighters under command of NORAD, the North American Aerospace Defense Command, has averaged just seven intercepts a year

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Analyst Peter Layton, a former Royal Australian Air Force pilot now with the Griffith Asia Institute, believes the pressure China puts on Japan by air is part of a larger plan.

"I think China wants to keep the JASDF off-balance and reactive, wear out its aircraft and air crew, gain training and keep the pressure up daily on who owns the disputed islands," Layton told CNN.

In a commentary last year written for The Interpreter blog from Australia's Lowy Institute, Layton detailed just how far the Chinese flights stretch the JASDF, and how China has the resources to push Japan to limits it may not be able to reach.

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The JASDF's fleet of some 215 F-15J aircraft bears the brunt of scramble tasking," he wrote.

"Since 2016, the JASDF have often launched four aircraft for each scramble.

"These daily scrambles are gradually wearing the F-15J fleet out. The concern is that China has some six times more fighters then the JASDF, and could further ramp up intrusions whenever it considers appropriate. The in-service life of Japan's F-15J fleet is now almost a decision that lies with China," Layton said.
What we are saying is for these campaigns you can compensate inferior engines by more number of engines as China is Communist state where funding won't be problem
And the actual budget in defense might be very high than what's being told
 

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What we are saying is for these campaigns you can compensate inferior engines by more number of engines as China is Communist state where funding won't be problem
And the actual budget in defense might be very high than what's being told
Or their engines are not inferior because Japan is supposed to be a wealthier nation ;)

Or maybe China is actually wealthier with better aircraft and aviation engines ;)

Or China just has a better aviation industry leading to a larger and better set of aircraft ;)

Anyways, China is running this campaign not only against the Japanese in the East China Sea but also the Taiwan Strait at the same time. They wouldn't do it if their equipment is inferior ;)
 

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Or their engines are not inferior because Japan is supposed to be a wealthier nation ;)

Or maybe China is actually wealthier with better aircraft and aviation engines ;)

Or China just has a better aviation industry leading to a larger and better set of aircraft ;)

Anyways, China is running this campaign not only against the Japanese in the East China Sea but also the Taiwan Strait at the same time. They wouldn't do it if their equipment is inferior ;)
Neither I spoke about wealth of Japan nor China
All I mean to say is China is a Communist nation where military has more financial power than democratic ones due to the political layout
That's why I say China can built many aircrafts and engines due to seer manufacturing power and military budget
In these things Japan is far behind due to multiple reasons its not about wealth
 

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Neither I spoke about wealth of Japan nor China
All I mean to say is China is a Communist nation where military has more financial power than democratic ones due to the political layout
That's why I say China can built many aircrafts and engines due to seer manufacturing power and military budget
In these things Japan is far behind due to multiple reasons its not about wealth
In what world? The USA and the rest of their allied democracies like Japan spend about three times more in their mil budget than the REST of the world COMBINED.

China is initiating this campaign against a wealthier nation that is allied with other wealthy nations with the lion's share of the world's mil budgets. Japanese aircraft and engines in these intercepts against are supplied by the US after all ;)

This with the Chinese-built WS-10:
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is being used to wear down this with the Western F-100:
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In what world? The USA and the rest of their allied democracies like Japan spend about three times more in their mil budget than the REST of the world COMBINED.

China is initiating this campaign against a wealthier nation that is allied with other wealthy nations with the lion's share of the world's mil budgets. Japanese aircraft and engines in these intercepts against are supplied by the US after all ;)

This with the Chinese-built WS-10:
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is being used to wear down this with the Western F-100:
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Why are u repeating the same thing
Japan doesn't have budget of China and US is ally not funding nation and both are democratic so they can't hide the nos of fighters nor engines and their budget can't be secret
China can build more nos bcoz of its manufacturing power that results in low cost also
USA can't be China so they have better quality and mean time overhaul
Whereas many Chinese datas are not public nor they have shared to any country so it's can't be commented
But numbers are in control of China
 

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Why are u repeating the same thing
Japan doesn't have budget of China and US is ally not funding nation and both are democratic so they can't hide the nos of fighters nor engines and their budget can't be secret
China can build more nos bcoz of its manufacturing power that results in low cost also
USA can't be China so they have better quality and mean time overhaul
Whereas many Chinese datas are not public nor they have shared to any country so it's can't be commented
But numbers are in control of China
Actually you are repeating a nonsensical response.

1) Japan is supposed to have an advantage in quality over China to make up for a shortfall in numbers. But the Japanese American jet/engine combination is being worn down by the J-16/WS-10 combination.

So the quality advantage is not big enough to overcome China's advantage in numbers against Japan,

2) China is also at the same time running the same campaign in the Taiwan Strait and is wearing down the American jet/engine combination there too!

That means the quality advantage of Japan AND the ROC together is not enough to deal with the numbers advantage of the PLAAF/PLANAF.

3) While simultaneously running these intensive high volumes against both Japan and the RoC (and against the RoK as well) China is still confident enough that it has enough remaining aircraft to deal with massive presense of US forces in the region.

So the quality advantage of Japan, RoC, RoK AND the USAF/USN is not enough overcome the Chinese advantage. The quality advantage of Western fighters/engines is not enough to compensate and stop China from running these campaigns of attrition.

Japan has 200 F-15s and 60 F-2 (Japanese advanced J-16.) Taiwan has 140 J-16s. That's 400 modern aircraft. Not including US and RoK aircraft.

China has 150 J-16s and about 500 J-11Bs and other Flankers (because China is flying into space around Japan and RoC, it falls upon the Flankers who has the range to do this work.) So in these campaigns it is really 400 Western planes versus 650 Chinese ones (and China is not going to commit all its Flankers and not worried about the US.)

The ratio between China and Japan/RoC is pretty much one on one. If the Chinese engines were inferior then China would be running itself ragged not the Japanese or ROCAF because its planes have to fly further and more often (34 J-16s would be intercepted by two F-15Js.)

Indians do not have any idea about the scale of power being wielded in the Far East. There is no hundreds of F-15s and F-16s for Indians to worry about.
 
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Actually you are repeating a nonsensical response.

1) Japan is supposed to have an advantage in quality over China to make up for a shortfall in numbers. But the Japanese American jet/engine combination is being worn down by the J-16/WS-10 combination.

So the quality advantage is not big enough to overcome China's advantage in numbers against Japan,

2) China is also at the same time running the same campaign in the Taiwan Strait and is wearing down the American jet/engine combination there too!

That means the quality advantage of Japan AND the ROC together is not enough to deal with the numbers advantage of the PLAAF/PLANAF.

3) While simultaneously running these intensive high volumes against both Japan and the RoC (and against the RoK as well) China is still confident enough that it has enough remaining aircraft to deal with massive presense of US forces in the region.

So the quality advantage of Japan, RoC, RoK AND the USAF/USN is not enough overcome the Chinese advantage. The quality advantage of Western fighters/engines is not enough to compensate and stop China from running these campaigns of attrition.

Japan has 200 F-15s and 60 F-2 (Japanese advanced J-16.) Taiwan has 140 J-16s. That's 400 modern aircraft. Not including US and RoK aircraft.

China has 150 J-16s and about 500 J-11Bs and other Flankers (because China is flying into space around Japan and RoC, it falls upon the Flankers who has the range to do this work.) So in these campaigns it is really 400 Western planes versus 650 Chinese ones (and China is not going to commit all its Flankers and not worried about the US.)

The ratio between China and Japan/RoC is pretty much one on one. If the Chinese engines were inferior then China would be running itself ragged not the Japanese or ROCAF because its planes have to fly further and more often (34 J-16s would be intercepted by two F-15Js.)

Indians do not have any idea about the scale of power being wielded in the Far East. There is no hundreds of F-15s and F-16s for Indians to worry about.
What I have said is that China doesn't have budgetary constraints as its a Communist nation so they may have more j-11 and wrt engines as they won't feel the shortage of money
But on other hand Japan has too many constraints neither they can provide more money as their constitution and democratic parliament won't permit nor they are manufacturing the aircraft all their aircrafts are imported
Majorly their economy is completely stagnant
So u have your results it's difficult to manage imported aircrafts and many things will come out so very difficult to hide their spending but China produces j-11 j-16 and their engines that too Communist nation
 

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What I have said is that China doesn't have budgetary constraints as its a Communist nation so they may have more j-11 and wrt engines as they won't feel the shortage of money
But on other hand Japan has too many constraints neither they can provide more money as their constitution and democratic parliament won't permit nor they are manufacturing the aircraft all their aircrafts are imported
Majorly their economy is completely stagnant
So u have your results it's difficult to manage imported aircrafts and many things will come out so very difficult to hide their spending but China produces j-11 j-16 and their engines that too Communist nation
The quality gap couldn't be that large otherwise 200 F-15Js (imagine if Pakistan had 200 F-15s!!!) would more than compensate for China numbers which are actually similar to Japan and Taiwan since China uses the aircraft against Taiwan too.

This just happened today! They used 24 J-16s! And if the 10 J-10s are J-10Cs those would have WS-10 engines too.
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If China were changing engines on them all the time, they would be laid up in the maintenance depot and there would be no way they could keep this up day after day after day. lol
 
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What I have said is that China doesn't have budgetary constraints as its a Communist nation so they may have more j-11 and wrt engines as they won't feel the shortage of money
But on other hand Japan has too many constraints neither they can provide more money as their constitution and democratic parliament won't permit nor they are manufacturing the aircraft all their aircrafts are imported
Majorly their economy is completely stagnant
So u have your results it's difficult to manage imported aircrafts and many things will come out so very difficult to hide their spending but China produces j-11 j-16 and their engines that too Communist nation
Japan has less F-15 because Japan pays for each F-15 built in Japan by Mitsubishi, China does not pay for each Su-27 built, in fact they are thieves, building Su-27s without license.
 

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Yes. The number of nations with with mass produced jet engines powering their fighters is five. And that five is the P5 of the UN :)

1) US
2) UK
3) France
4) Russia
5) China

There is no one else.

And UK and France are really just building one one current medium engine each right now -- EJ2000 and M88.

China has both heavy and medium in the WS-10 and WS-13 (just set up in 2021!) and one of each in development that are very close to delivery.

You can't be in a more exclusive club than that. The moment you build a production for a fighter's engine you are already ahead of the other 200 nations in the world.
pure Chinese propaganda, jet engines are not designed for national pride but by performance, Germany, Italy and Spain built jet engines which have higher reliability but building it as a group makes it more cost effective.
MTU Aero Engines is one of the world’s leading companies in the development and production of engines for combat aircraft. The company looks back on a long history of military jet engine construction: Initially, it engaged in the production under license of the German Air Force’s GE-J79s powering the Starfighter and F4 Phantom, also providing support for the engines. From 1969 on, MTU partnered with Rolls-Royce and Avio Aero to design and manufacture the first “European” engine, the RB199 for the Tornado multi-role combat aircraft. Moreover, MTU had a workshare in the Larzac 04 powering the Alpha Jet, producing about 25 percent of the parts.

With a workshare of some 30 percent, MTU also plays a major role in the success of the EJ200 engine powering the Eurofighter Typhoon.
Always ready to take on new challenges and engage in partnerships, MTU was given an opportunity to take production stakes in a number of U.S. engine programs (F110 and F414) for the F-15, F-16 and F-18 fighter aircraft.

Joining forces with Safran Aircraft Engines, MTU will carry out the design, development, production and support of the propulsion system for the Next Generation Fighter, or NGF for short, in the decades ahead. The engine, dubbed Next European Fighter Engine (NEFE), will play a key role in the military engine business in Europe over the next few decades. As part of the partnership, MTU will assume responsibility for the high-pressure compressor, low-pressure compressor, low-pressure turbine and control systems, these technologies being its core competencies, and provide support for the engine throughout its lifetime, from its development through its in-service phase.


EJ-200 is an example
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Beside engine technology is much more common than thought
Japanese XF7-10's for P-1
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IAE V2500 from Germany, Japan and England that powers A-320
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Honda HF118 Turbofan jet engine, joint production of japanese and American manufacturer applied in Honda jet
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What I have said is that China doesn't have budgetary constraints as its a Communist nation so they may have more j-11 and wrt engines as they won't feel the shortage of money
But on other hand Japan has too many constraints neither they can provide more money as their constitution and democratic parliament won't permit nor they are manufacturing the aircraft all their aircrafts are imported
Majorly their economy is completely stagnant
So u have your results it's difficult to manage imported aircrafts and many things will come out so very difficult to hide their spending but China produces j-11 j-16 and their engines that too Communist nation
Jet technology is much more spread than our Chinese propagandist claim however engines are made for some economic needs, Czech company makes mini jet engines


Czech company PBS Velka Bites (Stand 1884) is marketing a range of small powerplants that are suitable for turbo-trainers, cruise missiles, target drones and UAVs
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Turbo-jet engines of TJ 100 type are designed as drive unit for MAE UAV and pilot flying vehicles.

Development of this engine was founded in the year 2001, and its first serial production engine was bought by INTA in 2004. Several serial produced version is at present, versions untrue by length of output nozzle, fastening foot and by power. Since 2008 more than 650 units of TJ100 have been delivered.

The following aircraft types are equipped with the TJ-100
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BD-5J
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BonusJet TST-14J
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Subsonex JSX-1
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Marabu IAE VUT 001




Each engine jet is designed for a market need and a profit share, most modern engines are joint ventures, the idea jet engines are national pride instruments is stupid, engines most be sold and make profits, the jet engine technology today is an international business thus thieves are not allowed to steal technology for such a reason western countries control chinese greed

Of course he forgets Ukraine
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D-436-148 Turbofan

used on

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D-36, Series 4A Turbofan used on An-74
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The number of nations with with mass produced jet engines powering their fighters is five. And that five is the P5 of the UN :)

1) US
2) UK
3) France
4) Russia
5) China

There is no one else :)
 

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The number of nations with with mass produced jet engines powering their fighters is five. And that five is the P5 of the UN :)

1) US
2) UK
3) France
4) Russia
5) China

There is no one else :)
pure Chinese crap, Eurofighter is a multinational program and will beat all the Chinese crap of J-10s J-11s and all your crap copies but the aircraft is international by the way Germany, Spain and France are designing a fighter that leave the ugly fat J-20 as crap


International program

mass produced jet engine
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International program Mass produced jet engine
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International program
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pure Chinese crap, Eurofighter is a multinational program and will beat all the Chinese crap of J-10s J-11s and all your crap copies but the aircraft is international by the way Germany and France are designing a fighter that leave the ugly fat J-20 as crap
The EJ2000 is basically the UK's Rolls-Royce XG-40 ;)

Germany and France will use a French engine as SaFran is already tagged as the FCAS engine provider. EU joint projects always came down UK/France. They are part of P5 ;)

You like putting up a lot of phony nonsense mumble jumble dressed up as "technical" pieces!

If engine tech is so easy can you list your Indian fighter/engine combinations? You can include prototypes :)

I'll start with China -- she has:

1) J-7 -- WP-13
2) J-8 -- WP-14
3) J-10C -- WS-10
4) J-11B -- WS-10
5) J-16 -- WS-10
6) J-20A -- WS-10
7) FC-1 V2 prototype -- WS-13
8) FC-1 v2 evolved -- WS-13E
9) JF-17 prototype -- WS-13

India has:

1) You fill in blank :)
 

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The EJ2000 is basically the UK's Rolls-Royce XG-40 ;)

Germany and France will use a French engine as SaFran is already tagged as the FCAS engine provider.

You like putting up a lot of phony nonsense mumble jumble dressed up as "technical" pieces!

If engine tech is so easy can you list your Indian fighter/engine combinations? You can include prototypes :)

I'll start with China -- she has:

1) J-7 -- WP-13
2) J-8 -- WP-14
3) J-10C -- WS-10
4) J-11B -- WS-10
5) J-16 -- WS-10
6) J-20A -- WS-10
7) FC-1 V2 prototype -- WS-13
8) FC-1 v2 evolved -- WS-13E
9) JF-17 prototype -- WS-13

India has:

1) You fill in blank :)
what stupid argument repeat the engine several times and claim to have more.

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RB199
Developed and manufactured jointly by MTU, Rolls-Royce and Avio Aero as from 1969, the RB199 engine powers the Tornado multi-role combat aircraf
t. It is a three-shaft turbofan engine delivering a thrust of 72 kN. With a total of 2,504 copies delivered, the engine has since accumulated over six million flying hours. MTU’s role in this highly successful engine includes the intermediate- and high-pressure compressors, external gearbox, intermediate-pressure turbine, intermediate casing, thrust reverser and bypass casing.
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EJ200
A two-shaft turbofan in the 90 kN thrust category with an afterburner, the EJ200 is built by EUROJET Turbo GmbH, a consortium formed by MTU, Rolls-Royce, Avio Aero and ITP. The engine powers the Eurofighter and its export version, the Typhoon.
MTU’s production share is 30 percent. MTU developed the low-pressure and high-pressure compressors as well as the electronic control unit for the propulsion system and manufactures these components for all EJ200 engines. In addition, the company is responsible for assembling, testing and maintaining the EJ200 engines operated by the German and Austrian Armed Forces.

your stupid chinese propaganda likes and loves lies

Spain role in EJ-200
ITP Aero is responsible for the design, development, and production of the convergent-divergent nozzle module for the EJ200 engine fitted into the Eurofighter combat jet.
 

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what stupid argument repeat the engine several times and claim to have more.

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RB199
Developed and manufactured jointly by MTU, Rolls-Royce and Avio Aero as from 1969, the RB199 engine powers the Tornado multi-role combat aircraf
t. It is a three-shaft turbofan engine delivering a thrust of 72 kN. With a total of 2,504 copies delivered, the engine has since accumulated over six million flying hours. MTU’s role in this highly successful engine includes the intermediate- and high-pressure compressors, external gearbox, intermediate-pressure turbine, intermediate casing, thrust reverser and bypass casing.
View attachment 133491

EJ200
A two-shaft turbofan in the 90 kN thrust category with an afterburner, the EJ200 is built by EUROJET Turbo GmbH, a consortium formed by MTU, Rolls-Royce, Avio Aero and ITP. The engine powers the Eurofighter and its export version, the Typhoon.
MTU’s production share is 30 percent. MTU developed the low-pressure and high-pressure compressors as well as the electronic control unit for the propulsion system and manufactures these components for all EJ200 engines. In addition, the company is responsible for assembling, testing and maintaining the EJ200 engines operated by the German and Austrian Armed Forces.

your stupid chinese propaganda likes and loves lies
You like posting mumble jumble for an engine is based off an UK prototype. EU consortiums has/had two P5 members among its grouping. Very nice for them.

Again, if it is so easy then list your Indian combinations?

I will make it easier for you, you can list any other country's fighter/engine combinations! Just no help from a P5 nation ;)
 

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You like posting mumble jumble for an engine is based off an UK prototype. EU consortiums has/had two P5 members among its grouping.

Again, if it is so easy then list your Indian combinations?

I will make it easier for you, you can list any other country's fighter/engine combinations? ;)
He is not Indian
A Mexican
 

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The EJ2000 is basically the UK's Rolls-Royce XG-40 ;)

Germany and France will use a French engine as SaFran is already tagged as the FCAS engine provider. EU joint projects always came down UK/France. They are part of P5 ;)

You like putting up a lot of phony nonsense mumble jumble dressed up as "technical" pieces!

If engine tech is so easy can you list your Indian fighter/engine combinations? You can include prototypes :)

I'll start with China -- she has:

1) J-7 -- WP-13
2) J-8 -- WP-14
3) J-10C -- WS-10
4) J-11B -- WS-10
5) J-16 -- WS-10
6) J-20A -- WS-10
7) FC-1 V2 prototype -- WS-13
8) FC-1 v2 evolved -- WS-13E
9) JF-17 prototype -- WS-13

India has:

1) You fill in blank :)
The CAC (Chengdu Aircraft Company) J-7I was very close to a MiG-21F-13, with a WP-7 engine -- a slightly modified version of the R-11F-300 turbojet

Tumansky R-13
Guizhou WP-13



The Tumansky R-13, designed by Sergei Alekseevich Gavrilov, is a development of the successful Tumansky R-11 engine. It is a two-spool axial-flow turbojet featuring a new five-stage high-pressure compressor, new combustion chamber design to facilitate restarting the engine at high altitudes, new afterburner, and greater use of titanium components. It is used by MiG-21M, MF, SM, and SMT, and Sukhoi Su-15M and TM. R-13 is also built in China as LM WP13, and experienced similar fate like Tumansky R-11: originally, both were supposed to be licensed built in China, but due to Sino-Soviet split, all Soviet technical support was withdrawn and China was forced to do the job itself. Under the leadership of the general designer Mr. Jiang Hepu, both R-11 and R-13 were successfully built in China on its own, and were given the designation of WP-7 and WP-13 respectively.

http://www.all-aero.com/index.php/64-engines-power/13003-tumansky-r-13-guizhou-wp-13
 

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