Exciting Times for Chinese Aircraft Engines!

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Not just nukes but aircraft too.

China has partnerships that other countries don't because of the size of the Chinese market and the availability of the Chinese industrial base.

This the Boeing plant in Zhoushan!
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This is the Airbus plant in Tianjin!
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No other country outside the EU and US has full assembly plants from both Airbus and Boeing.

The skilled labor being trained at those plants and the eco-system created to supply parts to those plants helps China's aircraft industry.

The trained skilled labor and eco-system helps COMAC's plants ;)
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SOISA AEROSPACE is a leading international supplier of aircraft interiors that specializes in the design, development and manufacture of aircraft seat covers and cushions.

SOISA AEROSPACE is one of the most experienced Mexican companies with global presence and has established long-standing working relationships with American and European corporations since 1949.

In 2006, SOISA set off to manufacture seat covers for airplanes. Five years later, with more than 150 employees, the Company manufactures more than 50 different products, including:

  • Soft covers for packboards,
  • Inflatable decontamination shelters,
  • Vests,
  • Rafts,
  • Acoustic panels,
  • Lavatory and galley tank components,
  • Electro-thermal products,
  • Hydraulic and
  • Pneumatic products among others.

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With CR929, the Russians will join SAFRAN, GE, Boeing and Airbus in China!
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I think China has far more aviation industry partners than Mexico :)
Altaser aerospace from Mexico
Altaser Aerospace is a young company from the state of Chihuahua that has become a supplier for Honeywell and General Electric with complex machined parts for turbines.
Investing in the long term and with patience, on the way he saw the opportunity to partner with a German aeronautical group to create a new company, AT Engine

How did Altaser Aerospace become a certified supplier to Honeywell Aerospace and GE Aviation?

We developed a quality system. In May, 2012, we became AS 9100 certified. Our first order for airplane engine parts was for “pre-machined,” parts with a dimension close to the end one, for Honeywell Aerospace. General Electric (GE) found us in an aerospace fair organized by the government of the sate of Sonora, in which Rolls-Royce was the operational client, and which was not interested in us

Could you tell us what expectations you share with AT Engine México in terms of market share and job creation?
At the beginning, General Electric offered us all LEAP turbine spare parts. Now, it wants us to manufacture new turbine parts because Airbus wants more engines now that its other supplier, Pratt and Whitney, could not provide what it promised. This new contract is a bit longer than the expected lifespan of the LEAP turbine (30 or 40 years). We hope it will be a job that will give us 30 years of production with the same engine, with a natural access to renovation, because it will give us the experience, the plant, and the equipment to win the next tender. Regarding jobs, the plant that AT Engine has built in Hermosillo will have approximately 400 employees.

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Good way to tell is the serrated petals on WS-10C versus the normal straight edges on Ws-10B.

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China has first time officially supported the export of FC-31. Before, it was just Shenyang Aircraft company and no one was sure the project would be continued.

It is speculated that the WS-13 is matured and there is now mass production in place for the engine to be used for the FC-31. (FC-31 is designed around two medium sized engines so WS-10 is too big for it.)


Earlier report on the completion of the mass production line of the medium engine:

 

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China has first time officially supported the export of FC-31. Before, it was just Shenyang Aircraft company and no one was sure the project would be continued.

It is speculated that the WS-13 is matured and there is now mass production in place for the engine to be used for the FC-31. (FC-31 is designed around two medium sized engines so WS-10 is too big for it.)


Earlier report on the completion of the mass production line of the medium engine:

Should india buy this ?
How would Pakistan feel if we buy Chinese equipment, there are many things which I wish india should buy from you hehe
Iam drunk probably to think about this, but still tell will you sell this to us if we ask to buy chinese equipment
 

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Should india buy this ?
How would Pakistan feel if we buy Chinese equipment, there are many things which I wish india should buy from you hehe
Iam drunk probably to think about this, but still tell will you sell this to us if we ask to buy chinese equipment
Did you know that China in the 1990s reached out to India ti collaborate on LCA project? Back then China wanted to work with India even while the Super 7 project was going on with the US and Pakistan. Everyone was okay with things then. Some of the Chinese forums spoke about this. I was surprised when I first heard it.

China was also working with Israel on Phalcon at around that time. Super 7 became JF-17 and Phalcon was bought by India after US blocked it going to China. World changed since.

India would never ask. Pakistan would probably end up with FC-31 at some point or make it the base for their AZM project.
 

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Fun facts on WS-13!

The reported completion of a medium engine production line last year was assumed to be for a WS-13 variant -- most likely WS-13E.

WS-13 had its first tests (taxi March and flight August) on a FC-1 in 2010.
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So about dozen years between initial tests on a platform and production line fairly fast for an engine. Chinese name is Taishan.

Wet thrust of the base WS-13 versions plus other engines in the same class.

WS-13 (base): 86.37 kilonewtons (kN)
WS-13A/IPE: 90-95kN
WS-13E: 100kN

F404: 78.7 kN
F414: 97.9 kN
EJ2000: 90 kN
M88: 75 kN
RD93: 81.3 kN.

First later variant of WS-13 (rumored to be "E") was initially flown on FC-1 v2 in Dec. 2016:
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WS-13 variants were installed on FC-1 and J-35 prototypes and CAC JF-17 test machines:
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Pakistan elected to stay with RD-93 for their Block II and III JF-17s but the fighter now can be equipped with either engine.

The WS-13 is important enough for AVIC (Chinese aviation umbrella corporation) that it has a commemorative model made:
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You can buy it on EBay!!!
 

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It’s official: China cannot produce new jet engines and warships for a long time to come
TFIGLOBAL News Desk
by TFIGLOBAL News Desk
February 21, 2022
in China
Reading Time: 2 mins read

There is little denying the fact about how fragile the Chinese weapons industry is. The whole Chinese weapons industry is based on two facets: one, stealing technology from countries like Russia, Israel, and all that they can lay their hands on, and two, mass-producing weapons based on stolen weapons tech. While this may have been a viable method, given the increasing international isolation, Beijing has become incapable of producing any new jet engines and warships.

According to a new analysis from a US think tank, China’s reliance on high-tech imports and projected workforce shortages in the next decade are two major impending weaknesses for the country’s defence industry. Researchers at the Rand Corporation stated that additional flaws included a lack of transparency in the vast state-owned conglomerates.

The crippling dependence
In various areas, including education, raw materials, advanced components, and intellectual property, China is believed to be dependent on the US and its allies, according to the research. According to the paper, China is reliant on the United States and its allies for five minerals required by the defence sector. According to the research, China is also reliant on Russia, Ukraine, and, France for aircraft and naval engines, which accounted for the majority of Chinese arms imports between 2015 and 2020.

The report “Assessing Systemic Strengths and Vulnerabilities of China’s Defence Industrial Base” was commissioned by the US Congress and completed in October 2021. It clearly lays bare the vulnerabilities of Beijing’s military, given it cannot produce any new jet engines and warships in the face of increasing competition with almost all world powers.

China’s failures in military technology and tech theft
Because the defence industry is at the heart of Russia’s economic growth and foreign policy, it is carefully guarded. Yet, according to research published last year by Boston-based cybersecurity technology firm Cybereason, a threat actor suspected of acting on behalf of Chinese State-sponsored interests was discovered targeting a Russian defence contractor working on nuclear submarine designs for the Russian Navy. Not only this, many such instances have been recorded over the past many years.

According to the South China Morning Post, military analysts in China think that the Communist nation’s ambitions to arm its most advanced fighter jet with hi-tech weapons have not been able to become a reality because of its underpowered engines. You see, Chinese engineers have struggled for years to produce engines powerful enough to allow the J-20 to reach its peak performance and match the likes of the US F-22.

In such a situation, how can they think of a military-industrial complex that can be independent and confident enough to build quality tech on its own? The fact is that Beijing is at odds with all the countries it has sought for help with providing components and technological know-how. Be it Ukraine, Russia, France, and other US allies due to XI Jinping’s larger brutish foreign policy.

In the next ten years, dropping birth rates and a diminishing workforce, according to the report, might harm China’s economy and defence sector growth, with evidence that the defence industry may struggle to attract and retain educated people. All in all, losing allies, business partners and a stagnated weapons industry will make sure that China cannot produce new jet engines and warships for a long time to come.

 

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Turkey says Pakistan is joining for TFX after US embargo of F-35.


Because of US/UK bans, it could lead to Chinese engines (likely WS-13E) as an option because of Pakistan's involvement!
 

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Turkey says Pakistan is joining for TFX after US embargo of F-35.


Because of US/UK bans, it could lead to Chinese engines (likely WS-13E) as an option because of Pakistan's involvement!
This is wonderful Chinese providing engines turks making it and pakis manufacturing green paint
 

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This is wonderful Chinese providing engines turks making it and pakis manufacturing green paint
Because of the US blockade on tech to Turkey, we are seeing a lot news related to China from Turkey:

But the Pakistan joining the TFX is a big surprise. No one expects this. It means Turkey is going fast on gathering partners outside NATO for home projects.
 

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Because of the US blockade on tech to Turkey, we are seeing a lot news related to China from Turkey:

But the Pakistan joining the TFX is a big surprise. No one expects this. It means Turkey is going fast on gathering partners outside NATO for home projects.
Anyway their work is of just green paint
That's their contribution in jf-17
 

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Anyway their work is of just green paint
That's their contribution in jf-17
Well, CAC has no assembly lines for JF-17 or even FC-1 any more. Though the parts are from China, they are not assembled there.

Anyways, Pakistan does not have a lot of budget so the partnership has to provide contribution the project in other ways like engineering, assembly plant capacity or leveraging Pakistan's access to the Chinese industrial base for things like parts, avionics and engines.
 

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Well, CAC has no assembly lines for JF-17 or even FC-1 any more. Though the parts are from China, they are not assembled there.

Anyways, Pakistan does not have a lot of budget so the partnership has to provide contribution the project in other ways like engineering, assembly plant capacity or leveraging Pakistan's access to the Chinese industrial base for things like parts, avionics and engines.
Basically assembling the parts that come from China
Amazing don't you feel bad when they call it indigenous
 

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Basically assembling the parts that come from China
Amazing don't you feel bad when they call it indigenous
To be honest, I have not heard Pakistan say the JF-17 is their own. It is always marketed as a joint venture.

The truth is China doesn't use the FC-1/JF-17 and is really able to market and export the FC-1 only because of Pakistan. Pakistan uses the plane and assembles it. Without that, few countries would buy a plane that the Chinese air force doesn't use.

In fact, China not longer has the lines to deliver the JF-17 so Pakistan provides capacity that China doesn't have (and can't have because CAC is stretched trying to delivery J-10s and J-20s.)

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Also because of Pakistan and the JF-17, China's aviation industry has to work on a medium engine as a possible substitute. The PLAAF doesn't use a medium sized engine at all as they went with heavy AL-31/WS-10 for all their fighters.

But the Pakistani connection allowed China to work on the WS-13 and later the WS-19. This turned out to be very fortunate because when the Chinese Navy started looking at a new stealth fighter they now have a medium sized engine for their new fighter. Without WS-13 and FC-31, PLAN might have gone for a naval J-20 instead of J-35.

Anyways, China has now gone full tilt into medium engines and medium-engined aircraft like the FC-31(that they are now fully backing for export.) It is a very good thing that WS-13 line is now operational for mass production because there are many more projects around the world like TFX requiring a medium engine than a heavy one.
 

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