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February 26, 2009: The U.S. estimates that Colombian cocaine smugglers have developed semi-submersible boats that are so successful at evading detection, that they are carrying most of the cocaine being moved north. It's estimated that about 75 of these subs are being built in northwest Colombia each year, and sent on one way trips north. Each of these boats carries a four man crew and about seven tons of cocaine (worth nearly $200 million on the street). The loss of each boat and its cargo cost the Colombian drug cartels over $10 million in costs (of building the boat and producing the drugs). The crews are often Colombian fishermen forced to make the long voyage, because their families were being held hostage. Running these boats is considered very dangerous work, and the crews are paid well if they succeed, whether they volunteered for the work or not. Because of the risks (about ten percent are believed lost at sea), the boats are nicknamed "coffins." The crews are told the pull the plug (literally) and sink the boat (and its cargo) if spotted and about to be boarded. Even with the boarding party on the way, jumping off a sinking boat, often at night, is dangerous. Laws have been changed so that the crews escaping from their sinking boats, can still be charged with drug smuggling (despite the loss of the evidence).

Between 2000 and 2007, 23 of these boats were spotted. But last year, nearly 70 were seen or captured. Many of the captures are the result of intelligence information at the source, not air and naval patrols out there just looking for them. These boats are hard to spot (by aircraft or ships), which is why they are being used more often.

These semi-submersible "submarines" have been operating off the northwest (Pacific) coast of South America for nine years. Over 75 percent of the 600 tons of cocaine coming out of Colombia each year leaves via the Pacific coast subs, carried in submarines, that move the cocaine north. Despite increased efforts, it's believed that less than ten percent of these subs have been caught.

These are not submarines in the true sense of the word, but "semi-submersibles". They are 60 foot long and 12 feet wide, fiberglass boats, powered by a diesel engine, with a very low freeboard, and a small "conning tower", providing the crew (usually of four), and engine, with fresh air, and permitting the crew to navigate the boat. A boat of this type is the only practical kind of submarine for drug smuggling. A real submarine, capable of carrying five tons of cocaine, would cost a lot more, and require a highly trained crew. Moreover, a conventional sub actually spends most of its time running on the surface, or just beneath it using a snorkel device to obtain air for the diesel engine crew. So the drug subs get the most benefit of a real submarine (which cost about $300 million these days) at a fraction of the cost.

The semi-submersibles are built, often using specially made components brought in from foreign countries, in areas along the Colombian coast, or other drug gang controlled territory. Early on, Russian naval architects and engineers were discovered among those designing and building these boats. But that did not last, as the Russian designs were too complex and expensive. Instead, local boat builders created and refined the current design. Some foreign experts have been seen in the area, apparently to help the boat builders with some technical problem. These subs cost over $600,000 to construct, and carry up to ten tons of cocaine. The boat builders are getting rich, constructing the boats in well hidden locations up one of the rivers that empties into the Pacific.

At one point it was thought that as many as half of them were captured or lost at sea. But this is apparently not the case. That's because most of these subs are built for a one way trip. This keeps down the cost of construction, and the cost of hiring a crew (who fly home). That one voyage will usually be for about a thousand kilometers, with the boat moving at a speed of 15-25 kilometers an hour. The average trip will take about two weeks, because the boats have learned to go very slowly during the day, to avoid leaving a wake that U.S. airborne sensors can detect.

In the past, some subs making long range trips were caught while being towed by a larger ship. Apparently the plan was to tow a semi-submersible, loaded with a ten ton cocaine cargo, long distances, and then be cut it loose for the final approach to the shore of California or some area in Europe or on the east coast of North America. While the subs are most frequently used from the Pacific coast of Colombia, they are showing up elsewhere as well.

These subs are not stealthy enough to avoid detection all the time, and the U.S. is working to tweak search radars, and other types of sensors, to more reliably detect the drug subs. For the moment, it appears that these semi-submersibles do work, because the drug gangs keep using them more and more. Delivery by sea is now the favored method for cocaine smugglers, because the United States has deployed military grade aircraft detection systems, and caught too many of the airborne drug shipments. The smugglers did their math, and realized that improvised submarines were a more cost-effective way to go. The technology has spread, with one of these boats found being built in Spain three years ago, by a local drug gang, to bring cocaine ashore from a seagoing ship far out at sea in international waters. GPS makes these kinds of operations possible.

Increased maritime patrols, and infiltration of drug gangs in Colombia, has led to a significant increase in captures of these boats. On land, Colombian soldiers and police are doing a lot of damage to cocaine production, and making boat production more difficult. All this is having an impact, with cocaine prices going up, and quality going down. Drug testing and surveys indicates that cocaine use in the United States has declined 10-20 percent as a result.

But the stealthy boats are a concern to counter-terror officials. Bombs and terrorists can be transported in these vessels, and the technology for building them can be, and perhaps already has, spread. The technology is improving as well. Recently captured boats had a system installed that cooled the engine exhaust, making it more difficult for infrared (heat) sensors to sport it. Thus the U.S. Navy is putting a lot of effort into improving its sensors and search techniques, for finding these boats.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsub/articles/20090226.aspx
 

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Yemen plans to buy more MiG-29 fighters from Russia

I hope I have this in the correct section I tend to follow anything concerning Mig-29 Fulcrums. Yemen's SMT Fulcrum I think are the 9.17 models and don't have the large hump like other SMT moels in general. I have never been able to find anything written about them nothing. Thus the reason I can't wait until India finally gets their Mig-29K's. I heard rumors former East German pilots help trained them, not sure if it's true. East Germany was a long time ago so I'm not sure.

Back to India's Naval Fulcrums
Has India done anything with the new base for the Mig-29K? I remember an Indian posters saying it was next to a shared base/airport and not very secured. I hope India starts moving a ship base squadron is needed and then shore base facilities supporting the naval wing is needed. Are Indian Air Force Fulcrum trainers training Indian naval personnel yet? Operating Naval fast movers are big time complex and not something done half heart it. It's much more then the pilot training on the new Fulcrums but the maintenance issues as well. Fixing and doing general repairs on a base is one thing performing them at sea in small working areas and much different. There might be three times the amount of maintainers and support personnel for one squadron of pilots. It could take a year or two just to train the personnel needed for these slots alone. Different branches of the military doesn't mix much in the United States is there any chance Indian Air Force personnel will run the land base side of this? If anybody has any information on please share. If India going to get this carrier in two or three years the setting up the training programs should have started.

Mods do you think we should start a Mig-29k thread?

Yemen plans to buy more MiG-29 fighters from Russia
MOSCOW, February 26 (RIA Novosti) - The president of Yemen said his country plans to buy a number of MiG-29 Fulcrum fighters and other military equipment from Russia, a newspaper reported on Thursday.

Ali Abdullah Salah, who is currently on a visit to Russia, met on Wednesday with President Dmitry Medvedev to discuss military and trade cooperation, as well as tackling piracy and terrorism.

"These [the MiG-29] are excellent aircraft. We have had them for a long time and several years ago we brought them to Russia and carried out their modernization program," the Yemeni president said in an interview published by Russia's Vremya Novostei newspaper.

"Suffice it to say that we are planning to acquire more of these aircraft and probably MiG-35 fighters as well. We are also in talks on the purchase of Russian helicopters and patrol boats," he added.

About 90% of the military hardware and aircraft used by the Yemeni Armed Forces were made in the Soviet Union. Yemeni Air Force currently has 44 MiG-29SMT and MiG-29UBT fighters in service.

Yemen and Russia are currently holding talks to reach an agreement on the maintenance of military hardware, component supplies and training of Yemeni military personnel in Russia.

According to Salah, he and his Russian counterpart discussed measures to counteract terrorism and anti-piracy efforts in the Gulf of Aden. The UN said Somali pirates carried out at least 120 attacks on ships in 2008, resulting in combined ransom payouts of around $150 million.

The Yemeni leader has proposed to set up a regional anti-piracy center in the port of Aden to coordinate the international efforts in fighting sea piracy off the Somali coast.

He also said Yemen will render all necessary assistance to Russian warships involved in the current anti-piracy operation in the Gulf of Aden.

Russia has already rotated a number of combat vessels among some 20 warships from the navies of 16 countries that are operating in the area.

At present, the Admiral Vinogradov destroyer from Russia's Pacific Fleet escorts commercial ships through the dangerous waters around the Horn of Africa.

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US withdrawl from Iraq gets a date, August 2010

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama told lawmakers on Thursday he plans to withdraw most American troops from Iraq by August 2010 but leave tens of thousands behind to advise Iraqi forces and protect U.S. interests, congressional officials said.

Obama is expected to announce the new strategy on Friday during a trip to the Marine Corps base at Camp Lejeune, N.C.

In a closed-door meeting with Republican and Democratic leaders, Obama and his top advisers estimated that 35,000 to 50,000 troops would remain in Iraq after the bulk of troops are withdrawn.

Obama campaigned on ending the Iraq war and pledged to do so in 16 months. The withdrawal timetable he is expected to approve stretches over 19 months from his inauguration in January. That means some 100,000 troops would leave over the coming 18 months.

Rep. John McHugh, the top Republican on the Armed Services Committee, said Obama promised him to reconsider the new strategy if violence rises. McHugh said he was worried the situation in Iraq remained fragile, especially as it approaches elections in December.

"Our commanders must have the flexibility they need in order to respond to these challenges, and President Obama assured me that there is a 'Plan B,'" McHugh, R-N.Y., said in a statement.

According to one congressional official, lawmakers were told that Gen. David Petraeus, head of U.S. Central Command, and Gen. Ray Odierno, the top commander in Baghdad, believed the plan presented moderate risk but supported the 50,000 figure.

Some Democrats are skeptical but because they say it would leave too many troops behind.

"I have been one for a long time that's called for significant cutbacks in Iraq, and I am happy to listen to the secretary of defense and the president," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., told reporters before the briefing. "But when they talk about 50,000, that's a little higher number than I had anticipated."

In addition to Reid, congressional leaders attending the meeting included House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio. Vice President Joe Biden, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had also been expected to attend as well.

Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, told the U.N.'s Security Council on Thursday that the U.S. would move "responsibly and safely" to reduce the U.S. military presence in Iraq.

She said the process of redeploying American combat troops will be carried out in consultation with the Iraqi government "and with its support."

An existing U.S-Iraq agreement, negotiated under President George W. Bush, calls for U.S. combat troops to withdraw from Baghdad and other cities by the end of June, with all American forces out of the country by the end of 2011.

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This is talk of a new order I think but in a early stage. Russia gets to park a few ships and Russia offers some low cost Fulcrums. I also though Yemen bought 26 SMT Fulcrums and the rest are older basic models I may be wrong. I used to have a pretty Fulcrum list but it's not updated anymore. On paper this should have been MIG's first large order and deployment of SMT Fulcrums but you hear little about them. I guess Yemen's a very closed country because there's little out there.

I don't think 44 is correct that would have been larger then the Algerian order which was only 36 and I thought that was MIGs largest SMT order ever.

If I were the Russians I would have had those SMT Fulcrums flying in a active squadron showing the world and any future customers they were fine. MIG is a PR nightmare overall and should have changed upper management many years ago. Joking around sometimes I think Rafale sale personnel run MIG, the missed business opportunities are mind blowing.

I come down on India's Air Force/government sometimes for taking too long on decisions, I've seen Indian posters do it to sometimes to. But really think about it for a moment RAS/MIG/Russia has never held a truly finished Mig-29M with all the inside made and produce for India to really see in this 7 or 8 years ongoing bid process now have they?

How can India really buy something they can't see or really touch? This is what I meant by missed business opportunities, MIG had such a "in" dealing with India and may have blown it. I guess I'll never see a truly upgraded Fulcrum with modern systems take to the skies.
 

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Boeing Abandons Role in JCA Program

ROME - Chicago-based Boeing and Italy's Alenia Aeronautica have definitively broken off talks to jointly manage a final assembly line for Alenia's C-27J aircraft in Florida, meaning Boeing would no longer have any role in the U.S. Joint Cargo Aircraft (JCA) program.

Alenia previously announced this month that it would start building the line in Jacksonville alone in order to make delivery deadlines to the U.S. Army and Air Force, which are set to acquire 78 of the aircraft.

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Alenia and Boeing said at the time that talks would continue for Boeing to join Alenia in the work at a later date. But both firms on Feb. 26 said those talks would not continue.

"We have decided jointly to break off discussions," an Alenia source said. "The discussions did not reach an agreement on financial and economic conditions regarding the assembly line."

A Boeing spokesman confirmed the move.

"After our best efforts in talks, we have decided not to go ahead with Alenia North America in establishing the final assembly line," said Bill Barksdale, communications director for Boeing's Global Mobility Systems.

"It was not about the team or about the airplane," he added. "We did a final analysis, looked at the business objectives, at our shareholders and what they expect, and we made the decision not to go forward. We value our relationship with Alenia, and that relationship will continue."

After starting talks as long ago as 2006, the firms said last summer they were on the brink of agreeing to terms on revenue streams from the line, part of the $2 billion deal to supply the aircraft to the Pentagon. Officials subsequently said the deal would be signed before Christmas 2008.

Alenia plans to break ground in Jacksonville by the end of March to have the line operational in April 2010. Meanwhile, the first 13 aircraft ordered under the JCA program are set to roll off Alenia's production line in Italy.

Both firms confirmed that Boeing would no longer have any role in the JCA program.
 

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Yemen To Buy More Russian Fighters

MOSCOW (AFP)--Yemen seeks to buy more Russian fighter jets among other military hardware, Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh said in an interview published Thursday by the Vremya Novostei daily.

"We had had the (MiG-29) fighter airplanes for a long time, they are good fighters. Suffice to say that we intend to buy more of them, I will not say how much, but it will be MiG-29 and maybe MiG-35," Saleh told the daily.

"We are also holding talks on buying Russian helicopters and cutters," Saleh, who arrived in Moscow on Wednesday, added.

The two countries might conclude a $250 million deal for the purchase by Yemen of 100 armored vehicles, 300 Kamaz trucks and 50 mortars with ammunition, the Kommersant newspaper wrote Wednesday, citing a source at Russian arms exporter Rosoboronexport.

But this would be far short of Russian hopes of securing a major chunk of a $4 billion military modernization program Yemen is undertaking, for which the U.S. and Russia's neighbor Ukraine also are vying.

The paper said two weeks ago, Yemeni officials had been to Moscow with a massive shopping list of military equipment, but talks faltered on a request to write off $1.2 billion of Yemeni debt to Moscow.

Questioned on the funding for the deal, Saleh assured that Yemen had the means to foot the bill.

"And if Russians help us find more oil, gas and metals, it will be even better. Then we will definitely buy many airplanes," he said.
 

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Arab Radar Satellite Network

February 27, 2009: The UAE (United Arab Emirates) is spending nearly a billion dollars to put up four radar satellites. The GulfSAR (synthetic aperture radar) satellites will use an orbit that will cover an area 43 degrees north and south of the Equator. This will mean the birds will spend a lot of time over this narrow coverage (compared to satellites with a polar orbit) and will have a resolution as low as one meter (when the radar is concentrated a 10x10 kilometer area). Using radar means that the birds are useable day and night and in any weather. SAR can produce photo quality images. At medium resolution (3 meters) the radar covers an area 40x40 kilometers. Low resolution (20 meters) covers 100x100 kilometers.
The primary mission is military, to keep an eye on Iran, in real time. But this will be used mainly in a military emergency. The rest of the time the satellite will be used for civilian uses, like tracking ship traffic in the Gulf and for surveying ground activity. GulfSAR will be rented out to users when it passes over other areas, and this revenue is expected to cover much of the cost. The first two satellites will go up in 2012, with the other two following a year later

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htspace/articles/20090227.aspx
 

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N.Korea Will Have to Pay for Missile Test

The North's Korean Committee of Space Technology claimed Tuesday it was preparing to launch an experimental communications satellite named Kwangmyongsong-2 by means of delivery rocket Unha-2 at a launch site in Hwadae in the northeastern part of the country. In 1998, when it tested a Taepodong-1 missile, the North also claimed to have launched a satellite. Now, some 22 days after South Korean and U.S. intelligence agencies first detected movements, North Korea is in any case admitting it is planning some kind of launch.
Missile or satellite, this is the first time that North Korea has given advance notice of such a move, apparently to get the international community, including the United States, to pay attention. Pyongyang may believe that a display of its military power could lead to advantages during six-party negotiations and in talks to normalize relations with the U.S. But that is a huge mistake. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who visited South Korea last week, warned the North to halt all activities related to its missiles. Clinton reconfirmed the UN Resolution 1718, adopted unanimously by the UN Security Council on Oct. 14, 2006 after North Korea's nuclear test. The resolution, adopted by around 30 UN member countries, blocks exports of not only military goods but also of luxury items to the communist country. But it has slackened as time passed by. A missile test would either tighten existing UN restrictions or prompt its members to come up with new ones.

During her Asia tour, Clinton mentioned the uncertainties posed by the generational transfer of power in North Korea and urged the North to engage in dialogue with South Korea. Clinton also hinted at the possibility of Pyongyang-Washington talks. The impending missile launch could be construed as a response to Clinton's comments, and it only reminds the Obama administration of what Christopher Hill, the former chief U.S. negotiator to the six-party talks, said when he called North Korea an expert at killing momentum by calling "time out" every time progress is made. This type of behavior is not helping.

A missile test would also pose obstacles for participating countries in the six-party talks in giving aid to the North. The World Food Programme estimated North Korea's grain output to total 4.21 million tons, leading to a shortage of 836,000 tons. As was the case last year, the situation is expected to get worse unless the North receives South Korean rice and fertilizer aid. In civilian contact with the South in Shenyang, China early this month, North Korea appealed to South Korea to provide fertilizer and farming equipment. But who would be willing to step up and help North Korea if the regime is preoccupied with launching a missile even as its people worry where their next meal will come from?
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European Missile Defence Crisis

Poland sticking to U.S. missile shield commitments - top brass


MOSCOW, February 25 (RIA Novosti) - Poland is sticking to its commitments on the deployment of U.S. missile shield elements on its territory, but the U.S. administration has to decide on the timeframe, a senior Polish military official said on Wednesday.

Washington has agreed plans with Warsaw and Prague to deploy 10 interceptor missiles in Poland and a radar in the Czech Republic by 2013. The United States says the defenses are needed to deter possible strikes from "rogue states" such as Iran.

Russia has consistently opposed the missile shield as a threat to its national security and the balance of security in Europe. President Dmitry Medvedev threatened in November to retaliate if the U.S. plans went ahead by deploying Iskander-M missiles in the country's westernmost exclave of Kaliningrad, which borders NATO members Poland and Lithuania.

"Russia is against the missile shield, but the missile shield is not against Russia. We [Poland] have signed an agreement with the United States and are ready to deploy American interceptor missiles. But the implementation of the agreement depends on the U.S. The Americans should decide when they are ready to do this," Deputy Defense Minister Stanislaw Komorowski said in an interview with Russian popular daily Vremya Novostei.

U.S. President Barack Obama indicated earlier that he may put on hold his predecessor George Bush's plans concerning the third site for Washington's global missile defense system, which he said needed more analysis.

Komorowski also said that Poland is a full-fledged NATO member as it has been in the organization for 10 years now, adding that Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski would be a good candidate to replace NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, whose five-year term expires this year.

"We are by far not new members of the alliance, but its participants. Poland has sent some 3,000 peacekeepers on various missions abroad," he said.

Speaking about perspectives for Georgia and Ukraine to gain membership to the alliance, Komorowski said it is possible, but "in the distant future."

"One day Georgia will become a NATO member. But it needs Georgia to be ready for this and for us [NATO] to be ready to accept it [Georgia]. This is in the distant future, but it is in the future. The same goes for Ukraine," he said.

Last December, European NATO members led by Germany blocked U.S.-backed bids by Ukraine and Georgia to join programs leading to membership in the Western military alliance. The refusal was welcomed by Russia, which strongly opposes the alliance's expansion into the former Soviet Union.

Relations between Russia and NATO last year reached their lowest point since the Cold War after the brief military conflict between Moscow and Tbilisi.

In response to NATO's decision to halt cooperation, Russia put on hold a number of programs, including the Partnership for Peace program, a high-ranking visit to Moscow, some joint naval training and NATO visits to Russian ports.
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US to deploy Patriot missiles to Poland

The US will deploy a Patriot missile battery in Poland to bolster its defences against possible threats by Russia.



Speaking after a meeting with the US secretary of state Hilary Clinton in Washington, Poland's foreign minister, Radek Sikorski, said that America would place the missiles in line with an agreement penned between the two nations last summer, adding that the deployment would be "initially as temporary measure and later on a permanent basis".
The deployment of the long-range Patriot missiles will go ahead irrespective of whether or not the Obama administration pushes ahead with an anti-missile system, which Poland agreed to host in the summer after Russia's invasion of Georgia despite vehement opposition from Moscow.
The decision should help to allay Polish fears that Moscow might regard Washington's prevarication over the missile shield as a tacit acceptance that Central Europe is still part of Russia's sphere of influence.
Concern has mounted in Warsaw that American backtracking over the missile shield might bolster Russian attempts to interfere in a part of the world it once controlled, while at the same time exposing Poland to some form of retribution from a Kremlin angry with Polish willingness to host the missile shield.
Poland, along with other Russian border states, has expressed it alarm over a resurgent Russia apparently determined to exert itself on the global stage once more.
In November, Moscow threatened to deploy missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads on Poland's border, if the country pushed ahead with the deployment of the US missile shield.
Poland hopes that the Patriot battery, which will involve the first deployment of foreign troops on Polish soil since the end of the Cold War, should be operative by 2012.
In Moscow, the Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov brushed off the issue, saying: "There’s nothing to really comment on here.
“If these projects fulfill the norms of international law, we don’t plan on making any commentary.
"What we are interested in is the deployment plans of … missile defence, seeing as these plans affect our security. We are carrying out consultations with our American, Polish and Czech colleagues on this subject.”
The apparentl blasé reaction appeared to reflect Moscow’s readiness to engage with the new US administration if it does indeed follow through on abandoning the Bush administration's missile defence plans.
“The understanding in Russia is that there is a chance to start a new dialogue about that,” said Fyodor Lukyanov, the editor of Russia in Global Affairs.
“Unlike the initial stages - when we had very harsh and aggressive statements - Russia is trying to show it is willing to talk.”
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i think they actually want to give Israel a strong signal.. otherwise they will not spend more money on this
 

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US 'to shoot down N Korean missile'

The US military is "fully prepared" to shoot down any North Korean ballistic missile, the head of the US Pacific Commands says.

"We will be fully prepared to respond as the president [Obama] directs," Adm. Timothy Keating said in an interview with ABC News on Thursday.

His remark came after the North announced on Tuesday that it would launch satellite Kwangmyongsong-2 into orbit as part of its space program despite claims that the country intends to test its 'long-range missiles'.

"If a missile leaves the launch pad we'll be prepared to respond upon direction of the president," said Keating.

"There's equipment moving up there that would indicate the preliminary stages of preparation for a launch. So I'd say it's more than less likely," he added.

The US and South Korea believe the launch may be a cover for a missile test-fire, saying the action would trigger international sanctions.

On Thursday, the Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of (North) Korea accused South Korea of "trumpeting about 'sanctions'" against its satellite launch, saying outsiders will know "what will soar in the air in the days ahead."

US Intelligence sources suggest that the North has been assembling its 'longest-range missile', the Taepodong-2. In 2006, Pyongyang last launched the Taepodong-2 that fizzled just seconds into flight and destructed.

Keating said that the military is ready to respond with at least five different systems: destroyer, Aegis cruiser, radar, space-based system and ground-based interceptor. All of these work in conjunction with one another to protect against any missile threat.

"Everything that we need to be ready is ready. So that's ready twice in one sentence, but we're not kidding, it doesn't take much for us to be fully postured to respond."
This is going to be interesting; what would happen if US shoots down the missile & how will North Korea respond to that act? will they break the cease fire with its neighbor?
 
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I don't think US navy has the capability, it may be a bluff to see what N. korea does?
 

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The Americans are not thinking Practically and are making Russia more and More Hostile. I am sure if they proceed further, Russia wouldnt hesitate taking out the Polish missiles. Who are the Americans Kidding? Do they think they can take out all the Missiles Russia is capable of sending their way?? I dont see the point, but I feel Missile Defence for USA is a long term plan. They plan to have many interceptors, than in like 35 years, they will be able to detect and neutralise any missile threat originating anywhere in the world. But I think the day is far off!
 
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USA could have kept good relations with Russia and got access to afghanistan from central asia but it's this kind of stupid US policy which makes them lose wars, either way poland and czech republic will be the sacrificial lambs.
 

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Yes, America wont move a finger if Russia invades poland tomorrow. America can sacrifice anyone and anything except itself.

For Eg: Just think you are a big bully and I am your sidekick. Another big bully comes to beat me, you will be Like, "Dont you dare touch him, you will face my might, my wrath" But the other guy will come over and beat me to pulp and you will still stand there saying, "might, Wrath, Evil blah blah" In the case of America, it will add the words "Immediate Ceasefire" LOL

We all saw what happened in Georgia, USA didnt move a damn finger against the Russians. President Bush was enjoying the Olympics while His "Natural Ally" Georgia was being bombed to smithereens!
 

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i read a post here in dfi by lethal force that the polish are being made the scrape goats by the americans and i thought he was right now it seems that the polish themselves are keen on getting their heads chopped.

lets imagine this scenerio
1----the us deploys missile sheild in poland the russians deploy the s-400 in all strategic locations.
2---- the russians then deploy iskander in kalininigrad and other regions to the south.

now what is the use of the missile defence then the iskander brings the entire europe under its range and the missile sheild is rendered useless.russians can hit any nato city with their missiles they want from kalininigrad and the missile defence in poland can only watch.if the russians still want to play bad they can mirv some of their topols and satans from the east.
this missile sheild will serve the us no function especially now that the russians are trying to build hypersonic missiles and also trying to use the hit and return weapon which is based on changing the course midflight.


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Yes, America wont move a finger if Russia invades poland tomorrow. America can sacrifice anyone and anything except itself.

For Eg: Just think you are a big bully and I am your sidekick. Another big bully comes to beat me, you will be Like, "Dont you dare touch him, you will face my might, my wrath" But the other guy will come over and beat me to pulp and you will still stand there saying, "might, Wrath, Evil blah blah" In the case of America, it will add the words "Immediate Ceasefire" LOL

We all saw what happened in Georgia, USA didnt move a damn finger against the Russians. President Bush was enjoying the Olympics while His "Natural Ally" Georgia was being bombed to smithereens!
and remeber Georgia was being considered for NATO membership, and when it came down to them being slaughtered nobody raised a finger that is what NATO membership means unless you are a white preferably Anglo country you are nothing.
 

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