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Does anyone have any info on UK's Integrated Defence Review that was supposed to release this week? News was that they were planning to reduce their Army by around 12500 troops to just 70,000 total personnel. Their were rumours that they were retiring ALL tanks and were going to announce a Space Force and a Cyber Force as well.

There was also a report that they were planning to reduce their F-35 buy to just 48 F-35B and put the rest of the money in the Tempest project.
 

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Does anyone have any info on UK's Integrated Defence Review that was supposed to release this week? News was that they were planning to reduce their Army by around 12500 troops to just 70,000 total personnel. Their were rumours that they were retiring ALL tanks and were going to announce a Space Force and a Cyber Force as well.

There was also a report that they were planning to reduce their F-35 buy to just 48 F-35B and put the rest of the money in the Tempest project.
All tanks retiring is true. "Space" and "Cyber" force is a term used by the Government of the UK to mislead the aam Brit from realising that they can't buy shieet in terms of defence. They already have a cyber force in the form of GCHQ, and they don't have their own missiles, let alone their own anti-Sats. F-35 is also true. However, I have heard that Sweden is considering jumping ship to the Dassault-led European Fighter program.

70,000 personnel is a joke. Bloody Bangladesh has more troops than the UK now.🤣🤣

Btw, can anyone give inputs on their new AC? Isn't it becoming too expensive for them to maintain or something?
 

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All tanks retiring is true. "Space" and "Cyber" force is a term used by the Government of the UK to mislead the aam Brit from realising that they can't buy shieet in terms of defence. They already have a cyber force in the form of GCHQ, and they don't have their own missiles, let alone their own anti-Sats. F-35 is also true. However, I have heard that Sweden is considering jumping ship to the Dassault-led European Fighter program.

70,000 personnel is a joke. Bloody Bangladesh has more troops than the UK now.🤣🤣

Btw, can anyone give inputs on their new AC? Isn't it becoming too expensive for them to maintain or something?
They have put so much money in two giant carriers alone that they have no money left for other ships.

They have only 6 destroyrs. Frigate numbers are also decreasing . They can't afford all the f35 they want while puting money in for tempest.

Hence the cuts are coming despite raising military budget.

They will depend on usa to field additional f35 on their carriers when required and will depend on Europeans allies to provide ships for carrier escort if both carriers were to operate simultaneously.

Depends on how brexit economy treats them they might be in the market to sale Prince of wells soon.

They only build it because it was already too expensive to cancel. Sustaining it is another ballgame.
 

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They have put so much money in two giant carriers alone that they have no money left for other ships.

They have only 6 destroyrs. Frigate numbers are also decreasing . They can't afford all the f35 they want while puting money in for tempest.

Hence the cuts are coming despite raising military budget.

They will depend on usa to field additional f35 on their carriers when required and will depend on Europeans allies to provide ships for carrier escort if both carriers were to operate simultaneously.

Depends on how brexit economy treats them they might be in the market to sale Prince of wells soon.

They only build it because it was already too expensive to cancel. Sustaining it is another ballgame.
They are building another type of Frigate though. Forgot what it was called.

But the most interesting bit is their Army. Before the cuts it had about 3 Divisions worth of combat formations. And they are cutting about a Division's worth of troops. And no tanks in the country that invented them? B.H. Liddell Hart is turning in his grave. Britain will barely be able to field two Mechanized Infantry Divisions. Funnily enough, that is still twice of what Australia can field.
 

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They are building another type of Frigate though. Forgot what it was called.

But the most interesting bit is their Army. Before the cuts it had about 3 Divisions worth of combat formations. And they are cutting about a Division's worth of troops. And no tanks in the country that invented them? B.H. Liddell Hart is turning in his grave. Britain will barely be able to field two Mechanized Infantry Divisions. Funnily enough, that is still twice of what Australia can field.
Type 31 and they have designs for type 32 also . That's all after cutting the numbers of type 26.

Tank and troop reduction was bound to happen. They don't have enough ambiphious platform to carry these tanks anywhere and they are an island. Nobody is going to invade them anytime soon. Russia is too far away and small economy , china has no interest and usa is their ultimate protector.


Even France and Germany have way too low number of tanks. Europe is pretty secure that way. Only some nations bordering russia have some insecurity. Otherwise Europe can pretty much sit out this whole china usa indo Pacific South China thingy.
 

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Does anyone have any info on UK's Integrated Defence Review that was supposed to release this week? News was that they were planning to reduce their Army by around 12500 troops to just 70,000 total personnel. Their were rumours that they were retiring ALL tanks and were going to announce a Space Force and a Cyber Force as well.

There was also a report that they were planning to reduce their F-35 buy to just 48 F-35B and put the rest of the money in the Tempest project.
British armed forces for some time was teetering on 3rd tier status.if these review recommendations are fulfilled,it will be definitely in third tier territory.

Only meaty part of their military will be the half a dozen attack subs and the qe carriers but even they have some controversy and issues surrounding them.

Rationale is that since uk is an island and in their eyes there might not be an serious expedition in the future they will have to or want to take part in,they want to concentrate on their navy first and airforce second with army getting the shaft.
 

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All tanks retiring is true. "Space" and "Cyber" force is a term used by the Government of the UK to mislead the aam Brit from realising that they can't buy shieet in terms of defence. They already have a cyber force in the form of GCHQ, and they don't have their own missiles, let alone their own anti-Sats. F-35 is also true. However, I have heard that Sweden is considering jumping ship to the Dassault-led European Fighter program.

70,000 personnel is a joke. Bloody Bangladesh has more troops than the UK now.🤣🤣

Btw, can anyone give inputs on their new AC? Isn't it becoming too expensive for them to maintain or something?
There was some issue with the f35 vertical engines were damaging the qe top surface and that they have to do some refit after long operations.

Don't understand the British mentality and decision making though because most of it comes from the issue of aims and lack of will that will make indian establishment look good.this with them having a lot of pedigree in development of weapons tech.tells you what can happen to a country if it becomes woke.priorities and threat perceptions change resulting in different force structure which in turn leads to lower global stature.its going to get worse.
 

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