End Of Bonhomie: US moves closer to designating Pakistan a terrorist state

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US moves closer to designating Pakistan a terrorist state
Chidanand Rajghatta| TNN | Updated: Sep 19, 2017, 08:21 IST

HIGHLIGHTS

  • Islamabad readies tit-for-tat measures, may block access for Nato supplies to Afghanistan.
  • Pakistan has also warned that it will not buy any more F-16s from the US.
  • The Trump administration has indicated it has more weapons up its sleeve.



WASHINGTON: Pakistan has indicated it might go for broke against the United States with ties between the two countries reaching a new low.

Enraged at being called out by President Trump for nurturing terrorist groups, Islamabad is said to have devised a ''three-option toughest diplomatic policy,'' including an extreme case scenario where it will block access for US and Nato military supplies to land-locked Afghanistan.

Actions prior to this will include, according to the Pakistani media, limiting diplomatic relations with US and reducing mutual cooperation on terrorism-related issues and non-cooperation in US strategy for Afghanistan+ .

Pakistan has also warned that it will not buy any more F-16s from the US, and will lean towards China in the future.

Small problem for Pakistan: Washington is not about to blink.

After giving Pakistan a taste of the kind of financial vulnerability it is under by banning operations in the US of Habib Bank, the country's leading financial institution, for regulatory violations, the Trump administration has indicated it has more weapons up its sleeve.

Among them: Stripping Pakistan of the status of a non-Nato ally+ , cutting off all aid, imposing travel ban on suspected ISI personnel in the US operating undercover, and finally, formal designation of Pakistan as a terrorist state.

Withdrawal of non-Nato ally status and designating it a terrorist state would limit weapons sales and probably affect billions of dollars in IMF and World Bank loans, along with access to global finance, the Financial Times reported over the weekend.

Pakistan partisans in the US have long argued that the country is ''too big to fail'' and applying too much pressure on it will push it into China's arms, but the Trump administration appears to have reckoned that the country is already firmly in the Chinese camp, and Beijing can do little to stave off a financial meltdown if Washington decides to put the squeeze on a country whose elites have greater affinity for London and New York than for Beijing.

Talk of a western visa ban terrifies Pakistani military and political elites such as General Musharraf and Nawaz Sharif who own prime property and camp out in the west whenever things get too hot at home.

Pakistan bravado in threatening to cut off US access to Afghanistan came ahead of a possible meeting of its new Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi with vice-president Mike Pence in New York on sidelines of the UN General Assembly.

President Trump appears to have little time or patience with a country whose proliferation activities are being recalled again following North Korea's aggravations in the nuclear and ballistic missile sphere+ .



Even the State Department, whose bureaucrats have long advocated a cautious line on Pakistan fearing its collapse and a "loose nukes" scenario appear to have fallen in line with the White House's get-tough policy stemming from Islamabad's continuing perfidy regarding using terrorism as a policy instrument.

''Some who recall being beguiled by late nights spent with military and civilian leaders over Johnnie Walker Blue Label — the expensive whisky beloved by Pakistan's elite in the officially dry country — say even forceful private conversations regularly disappoint,'' the FT noted in a report, quoting James Dobbins, special envoy in 2013-14 saying, ''It's very difficult to deal with an interlocutor who says he agrees with you but actually doesn't.''



On Pakistani television, some talking heads and anchors are now discussing the imminent collapse of the country's economy if US puts the squeeze in Islamabad.

Pakistanis are also stunned that many reports now rank Bangladesh, which broke away from Pakistan in 1971, ahead of it in several economic metrics, including exports and foreign exchange reserves. But the country's hardline nationalists and fantasists believe China, and perhaps even Russia, will come to its rescue.

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Pakistan Prepares Tough Diplomatic Policy For US After Donald Trump's Warning: Report
Pakistan's new strategy comes after US President Donald Trump, while unveiling his new policy for South Asia and Afghanistan, criticised Pakistan for providing safe havens to terrorists.
World | Press Trust of India | Updated: September 18, 2017 13:45 IST



Pakistan PM Shahid Khaqan Abbasi is expected to meet US Vice President soon. (Reuters File)

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan is ready with a tough diplomatic policy if the US imposes any sanctions on it or lowers Islamabad's major non-NATO ally status over failure to crack down on terrorists, according to a media report.

Pakistan's new strategy comes after US President Donald Trump, while unveiling his new policy for South Asia and Afghanistan, criticised Pakistan for providing safe havens to terrorists.

A day after Trump's announcement, US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson suggested that US could downgrade Islamabad's status as a major non-NATO ally if it does not crack down on terrorists.

The Express Tribune reported that the Pakistan government has prepared a three-option 'toughest diplomatic policy'. According to official sources, the policy includes gradually limiting diplomatic relations with the US, reducing mutual cooperation on terrorism-related issues and non- cooperation in US strategy for Afghanistan.

"The last option may include a ban on using Pakistani land for NATO supplies to Afghanistan," according to the newspaper.

However, the policy will be implemented after the approval of the National Security Committee. Meanwhile, the US and Pakistan are expected to sort out their differences during the meetings between their leaders on the sidelines of UN General Assembly session starting tomorrow.

Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi is expected to meet US Vice President Mike Pence while the foreign ministers of the two countries are also expected to meet.
http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/paki...us-after-donald-trumps-warning-report-1751696

Pakistan To Tough Talk To US..............:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:
 

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After tough Trump speech, Pakistan scrambles to answer U.S. demands in Afghanistan
http://bit.ly/2n6VKPR)

Shashank Bengali and Aoun SahiContact Reporter
Pakistan, facing growing pressure internally and from the United States about the relationship between the two countries, is weighing how to respond to U.S. demands that it do more to help stop the fighting in Afghanistan.

U.S. envoys have renewed calls on Pakistan to crack down on the Haqqani militant network that has attacked U.S. forces in Afghanistan, pressure Taliban insurgents to begin peace talks and hand over a doctor jailed for helping the CIA track Osama bin Laden at his hideaway outside the Pakistani capital.

The long-standing U.S. demands have taken on fresh urgency since President Trumpdeclared last month that Pakistan must “change immediately” its policy of harboring the Taliban and other militant groups challenging the U.S.-backed government in neighboring Afghanistan.

Trump’s comments, along with his support for Pakistan’s rival India to play a greater role in Afghanistan, have spooked Pakistani officials. Some are wondering whether their years-long, multibillion-dollar alliance with the United States will survive the new U.S. administration.

Haqqani network, a move seen as putting pressure on Pakistan’s security establishment, which maintains ties to such groups.

infrastructure projects in Pakistan, but lacks the close ties to top Pakistani military officials that the United States has built over nearly two decades. The U.S. supplies Pakistan with hundreds of millions of dollars in military assistance every year and conducts training programs with senior Pakistani army officials.

“America needs Pakistan, and they know without Pakistan there is no way forward in Afghanistan,” said Hamayoun Khan, a professor of strategic studies at National Defense University in Islamabad.

“On the other hand, Pakistan knows the U.S. is the most important factor to bring stability in Afghanistan…. It is imperative that they will cooperate. They cannot afford discontinuing engagement.”

Trump is preparing to send thousands more troops to Afghanistan, to add to the 11,000 already deployed there in the 17th year of the U.S. war effort. Many analysts said he recognized that peace could not be achieved without getting tougher on Pakistan, which has long nurtured militant groups to defend its strategic interests in India and Afghanistan.

Leaders of both the Taliban and Haqqani network are believed to be based in Pakistan, but the government has shown little ability to control or influence the groups.

Pakistan has been unable, for example, to goad Taliban commanders into engaging in peace talks with the Afghan government. That prospect seems ever more distant now that Kabul controls only 60% of the country’s 407 districts, according to the latest U.S. assessment.

In meetings this month in Pakistan and Afghanistan, U.S. officials have emphasized they want to maintain the close relationship but urged Pakistan to resolve a series of old problems.

The U.S. wants to see more progress toward peace talks in Afghanistan and an end to the Haqqani network’s haven in Pakistan, the officials said. They also asked that Pakistan release Shakil Afridi, a doctor who has been jailed for six years for his role in helping the CIA track Osama bin Laden, the Al Qaeda leader who was in hiding at a safe house in the Pakistani garrison town of Abbottabad.

During his presidential campaign, Trump boasted that he could free Afridi “in two minutes… because we give a lot of aid to Pakistan.”

But U.S. officials have long hesitated to enact punitive measures against the Pakistani army, which guards the country’s nuclear arsenal and also controls access to Afghanistan via land routes used by NATO supply vehicles.

Pakistani news media have reported that if the U.S. enacts sanctions, Islamabad would respond with the “toughest” diplomatic policies, including reducing cooperation in Afghanistan and banning NATO vehicles from entering Afghanistan via Pakistan.

Frustration is high in both capitals, with some in Washington saying Trump’s speech wasn’t tough enough, and Islamabad furious that he encouraged a greater role for India.

Officials from the two sides are expected to meet again this week at the United Nations General Assembly in New York. Although unlikely, for the first time in years some experts say they can envision a U.S.-Pakistani breakup.

“I’ve almost felt a sense of relief among Pakistani officials, that they’ve been in a bad marriage for too long, and they were never going to ask for a divorce, but now the other side has said, ‘I’m going to leave you,’ so you don’t look bad in front of the kids,” said Moeed Yusuf, an expert on U.S.-Pakistan relations at the United States Institute of Peace.

“In private moments, both sides say they don’t want a rupture, and they understand they need each other,” Yusuf said. “But these extreme positions make it impossible to engage, and the naysayers on both sides, their hands get strengthened.”

http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-pakistan-afghanistan-20170918-story.html
 

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My feeling is that USA will veto all World Bank and IMF loans going to Pakistan ... This will be crippling as Pakistan depends upon these loans for paying salaries and other development activities...

China can help Pakistan to an extend, China will not bear the burden of Pakistanis economic liabilities...
 

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''Some who recall being beguiled by late nights spent with military and civilian leaders over Johnnie Walker Blue Label — the expensive whisky beloved by Pakistan's elite in the officially dry country — say even forceful private conversations regularly disappoint,''
Bloody Porki hypocrites. Drinking is banned in Islam, but for these poodle faking Porki Generals, wine women and song are their religion.
 

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Abbasi arrives at UN to tackle thorny issues

UNITED NATIONS: Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi will highlight the Kashmir and Rohingya issues in his address to the 72nd United Nations General Assembly and is likely to use his interactions with American officials to halt a rapid deterioration in US-Pakistan relations.

The prime minister, who reached New York on Monday afternoon, is scheduled to meet a dozen world leaders during his four-day stay, but all eyes are focused on his Sept 21 meeting with US Vice President Mike Pence.

The Trump administration sent not a very subtle message while scheduling President Donald Trump’s engagements with world leaders: Pakistan was kept out of even casual meetings with Mr Trump. (Lol!! :lol: ) The US president’s first casual meeting on Monday was with Bangladesh’s Prime Minister Haseena Wajid when he walked up to her after addressing a UN Management, Security and Development event and greeted her warmly.


Later in the week, President Trump is also scheduled to meet Afghan President Ashraf Ghani. But diplomatic sources in Washington say that PM Abbasi’s meeting with the US vice president also conforms to the Trump administration’s new strategy.

PM is likely to use his Sept 21 meeting with US Vice President Mike Pence to halt deterioration in ties

However, unlike former prime minister Nawaz Sharif last year, Mr Abbasi plans to attend the US president’s reception for the world leaders this week, which could lead to a brief encounter with Mr Trump.

When President Trump announced his new strategy for South Asia in his Aug 21 speech, he blamed Pakistan for continuing to shelter Taliban militants — a charge Pakistan vehemently denies.

Briefing the Pakistani media on the prime minister’s engagements in New York, three senior Pakistani officials — Foreign Secretary Tehmina Janjua, Permanent Representative to the UN Maleeha Lodhi and Ambassador Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry — tried to downplay the impact of US-Pakistan relations on his engagements at the UNGA.

The foreign secretary said the United States sought to engage Pakistan in their efforts to stabilise Afghanistan because “the Afghan dispute cannot be resolved without Pakistan”.

All three rejected the suggestion that Pakistan had allowed militants to maintain safe havens in the country and outlined Islamabad’s views on this issue.

“Our policies are made in Pakistan. They were never made in Washington and never will be,” said Ambassador Lodhi when asked if the Abbasi-Pence meeting could change Islamabad’s views on Afghanistan.

Published in Dawn, September 19th, 2017


The Pakis paint themselves as lily white and a country that is pure as a virgin that can do no wrong - yes, the Land of the Pure. But they've made a frikkin ass of themselves in front of the world by their shenanigans. It's amazing how these turds brazenly say that there are no terrorists or terror havens on their soil! Jeeez!
 
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My feeling is that USA will veto all World Bank and IMF loans going to Pakistan ... This will be crippling as Pakistan depends upon these loans for paying salaries and other development activities...

China can help Pakistan to an extend, China will not bear the burden of Pakistanis economic liabilities...
If that happens, china will take over Pakistan in record time and category 5 morons sitting in paki parliament won't be having a clue.
 

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Pakistan has also warned that it will not buy any more F-16s from the US, and will lean towards China in the future.
BUY!!!
pakis buying F-16s :D. as if USA sustain itself on the money pakis give for the bare f-16s

Pakistan partisans in the US have long argued that the country is ''too big to fail'' and applying too much pressure on it will push it into China's arms, but the Trump administration appears to have reckoned that the country is already firmly in the Chinese camp, and Beijing can do little to stave off a financial meltdown if Washington decides to put the squeeze on a country whose elites have greater affinity for London and New York than for Beijing.
This is very realistic of Trump.
The other pansies in the white house thought that pakis will fall for the dollar and stick with the master..but well!!
pakis took the money from the west and gave its ass to the chinese.USA was the impotent boy friend paki kept.

Talk of a western visa ban terrifies Pakistani military and political elites such as General Musharraf and Nawaz Sharif who own prime property and camp out in the west whenever things get too hot at home.
these specific pakistanis will abandon pakistan for ever for a life in the west!! :D
 

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But NATO supply route go through Pakistan ....is there any backup ?
 

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But NATO supply route go through Pakistan ....is there any backup ?

Old news

BRUSSELS: Nato has concluded agreements with Central Asian nations allowing it to evacuate vehicles and other military equipment from Afghanistan and completely bypass Pakistan, which once provided the main supply route for coalition forces.

Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said Monday that Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan had agreed to allow the reverse transport of alliance equipment.

https://www.dawn.com/news/723857
 

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Old news

BRUSSELS: Nato has concluded agreements with Central Asian nations allowing it to evacuate vehicles and other military equipment from Afghanistan and completely bypass Pakistan, which once provided the main supply route for coalition forces.

Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said Monday that Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan had agreed to allow the reverse transport of alliance equipment.

https://www.dawn.com/news/723857
Q is ..how they gonna enter inthose central asian state ????

Through Russia-China-Iran ????lol..

It's from 2012 , no Ukraine , improving Iran ties..now all messed up again ...but I believe if necessary Murica can bring democracy and freedom to Baluchistan-pakistan
 

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Q is ..how they gonna enter inthose central asian state ????

Through Russia-China-Iran ????lol..

It's from 2012 , no Ukraine , improving Iran ties..now all messed up again ...but I believe if necessary Murica can bring democracy and freedom to Baluchistan-pakistan
Through POK. If US hits North Korea then expect porkistan will be hit by India in tandem.
 

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Old news

BRUSSELS: Nato has concluded agreements with Central Asian nations allowing it to evacuate vehicles and other military equipment from Afghanistan and completely bypass Pakistan, which once provided the main supply route for coalition forces.

Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said Monday that Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan had agreed to allow the reverse transport of alliance equipment.

https://www.dawn.com/news/723857
There goes their self imagined importance
 

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