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[Chinmoy]

CMT is an “open top” BMP, mortars are handled manually. there is no automatic laying of fire.

Targeting and firing is automatic. Only loading is manual.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Army will themselves sabotage the ammo so that it bursts inside barrel same thing they did with arjun.

No dude OFB has serious issues, see the videos of surplus ammo sent to US Civilian market, a guy showed 120 rounds of 5,56 were faulty out of 500 ordered.

 

[ezsasa]

Targeting and firing is automatic. Only loading is manual.

i must have missed that info then.

you have any pics of what CMT’s automatic targeting and firing mechanism looks like?

 

[fire starter]

No dude OFB has serious issues, see the videos of surplus ammo sent to US Civilian market, a guy showed 120 rounds of 5,56 were faulty out of 500 ordered.

Can u post the video.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Can u post the video.

 

[fire starter]

Targeting and firing is automatic. Only loading is manual.

One thing I don't under stand if last year barrel blast in ATAGS was due to faulty ammunition then why they are trialing it again.

 

[FalconSlayers]

One thing I don't under stand if last year barrel blast in ATAGS was due to faulty ammunition then why they are trialing it again.

Because it was halted due to the barrel burst, the guy told how Indian Ammo is substandard and it is a fact, wonder how our soldiers deal with it.

 

[ezsasa]

Me thinks this is some scam, faulty rejected ammo from old stock instead of getting destroyed ended up in US.

 

[Chinmoy]

i must have missed that info then.

you have any pics of what CMT’s automatic targeting and firing mechanism looks like?

Forget about firing system. You would not even see any other picture of these systems apart from those published in DRDO and OFB manual.

BTW you could visit Zen Tech website where they have created a simulator for it.

https://www.zentechnologies.com/zen-carrier-mortar-tracked-cmt-simulator.php

 

[Chinmoy]

One thing I don't under stand if last year barrel blast in ATAGS was due to faulty ammunition then why they are trialing it again.

If it would have been for faulty ammo, you would have seen pages long articles in our media. But all they did is just hushed up the matter and only an unnamed source said that it MIGHT be because of faulty ammo.

The issue was with barrel itself. It might be design or manufacturing issue. Most probable chance is the 2nd one. So after rectifying it, this set of trials again.

 

[ezsasa]

Forget about firing system. You would not even see any other picture of these systems apart from those published in DRDO and OFB manual.

BTW you could visit Zen Tech website where they have created a simulator for it.

https://www.zentechnologies.com/zen-carrier-mortar-tracked-cmt-simulator.php

i know mate, I have arrived at the conclusion that such a system doesn’t exist after looking for it. My earlier stated position was arrived at after looking for evidence to the contrary.

ergo CMT is a manual system, the name itself suggests that it is a carrier. It’s USP is that the BMP has a provision to store the mortars & fire from the vehicle itself.

the link you gave about ZEN tech. does not indicate an automatic fire laying system either.

there is no way such a system exists, and OFB does not showcase the system in some defence expo. OFB is always desperate for small wins, since they don’t innovate much anyways.

 

[Chinmoy]

i know mate, I have arrived at the conclusion that such a system doesn’t exist after looking for it. My earlier stated position was arrived at after looking for evidence to the contrary.

ergo CMT is a manual system, the name itself suggests that it is a carrier. It’s USP is that the BMP has a provision to store the mortars & fire from the vehicle itself.

the link you gave about ZEN tech. does not indicate an automatic fire laying system either.

there is no way such a system exists, and OFB does not showcase the system in some defence expo. OFB is always desperate for small wins, since they don’t innovate much anyways.

Under Configuration point number 2:

Fire controller station. You would not have it unless you make it a automatic or remotely fired system.

Point number 3:

MPC Station/ Mounting Platform controller station. You would not have it unless you are remotely controlling the elevation or traverse or angle of fire of the system.

 

[ezsasa]

Under Configuration point number 2:

Fire controller station. You would not have it unless you make it a automatic or remotely fired system.

Point number 3:

MPC Station/ Mounting Platform controller station. You would not have it unless you are remotely controlling the elevation or traverse or angle of fire of the system.

in that case, we are at an impasse.

let’s see if @porky_kicker has anything to say on this.

PK, argument is whether there is a indigenous automatic fire laying mortar system. Chinmoy says CMT is such a system, and I say it is a manual system.

 

[porky_kicker]

in that case, we are at an impasse.

let’s see if @porky_kicker has anything to say on this.

PK, argument is whether there is a indigenous automatic fire laying mortar system. Chinmoy says CMT is such a system, and I say it is a manual system.

AFAIK Manual

Automated fire laying mortar will have a azimuth & elevation drive connected to a digital FCS , Never came across one with IA

Till date i saw only old manual laying via dials

If ofb had one they would have been dancing on it

 

[porky_kicker]

Under Configuration point number 2:

Fire controller station. You would not have it unless you make it a automatic or remotely fired system.

Point number 3:

MPC Station/ Mounting Platform controller station. You would not have it unless you are remotely controlling the elevation or traverse or angle of fire of the system.

Zen products are also targetted at foreign clientele so they address all possible capabilities

 

[ClawReed787]

No dude OFB has serious issues, see the videos of surplus ammo sent to US Civilian market, a guy showed 120 rounds of 5,56 were faulty out of 500 ordered.

Are there any other Indian companies which makes quality ammunitions?

 

[FalconSlayers]

Are there any other Indian companies which makes quality ammunitions?

SSS Defence will be manufacturing ammunition soon

 

[ClawReed787]

SSS Defence will be manufacturing ammunition soon

Soon . Lol so most of them are imported then?

 

[FalconSlayers]

Soon . Lol so most of them are imported then?

They don’t sell ammo here.

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

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Soon . Lol so most of them are imported then?

Other than chest bumping for political score nobody is actually doing anything to change this.