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I don't think it will have to be lighter or smaller. The current air launched brahmos could be modified for air to air role. It can likely fly higher than an AWACS. So it could easily approach the AWACS from top. And it doesn't have to be too maneuverable to target a slow aircraft like AWACS. In fact, the 400 km range 40N6E missile of the S-400 system is likely comparable in size to the current Brahmos.
Too expensive to use bramhos to do that awacks killing job? Only US has the ability to launch awacs at this point near India and we are not planning to go to war with them but they could come to assist their islamic brothers based on situation like 1971 as a show of power.....we have enough fighters to take care of the awacs from Pakistan with MKIs?
 

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How does Media get access to such news it's propoganda for Pakistani

 

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Too expensive to use bramhos to do that awacks killing job? Only US has the ability to launch awacs at this point near India and we are not planning to go to war with them but they could come to assist their islamic brothers based on situation like 1971 as a show of power.....we have enough fighters to take care of the awacs from Pakistan with MKIs?
This is a mistake people tend to make all too frequently. They develop and procure weapon systems that take years, based on the current geopolitical scenario that can change in a matter of months. You need to prepare yourself for the worst case scenario. And no. Brahmos isn't too expensive to use against an AWACS, considering how expensive the AWACS otself is and the difference that taking an AWACS down would bring to the battlefield.
 

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This is a mistake people tend to make all too frequently. They develop and procure weapon systems that take years, based on the current geopolitical scenario that can change in a matter of months. You need to prepare yourself for the worst case scenario. And no. Brahmos isn't too expensive to use against an AWACS, considering how expensive the AWACS otself is and the difference that taking an AWACS down would bring to the battlefield.
At those great distances there will be enough warning for most planes to make evasive measures especially awacs....so far these takedowns only exist on paper, there is a reason why inspite of all these long range missiles and what not AWACS are not going any where....too narrow of a role for a bramhos type missile in my opinion.
 

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This is a mistake people tend to make all too frequently. They develop and procure weapon systems that take years, based on the current geopolitical scenario that can change in a matter of months. You need to prepare yourself for the worst case scenario. And no. Brahmos isn't too expensive to use against an AWACS, considering how expensive the AWACS otself is and the difference that taking an AWACS down would bring to the battlefield.
Just a simple question ,which brahmos model ??

No work has been done till now for brahmos awacs killer .

Meanwhile work is going on for desi lfrj as well as sfdr technology .

So is it better to go for a missile which will be based on russian or go for tech which we building in-house for a various application .

Coming to the point of range benefit ,with brahmos , what about a enlarged sfdr based missile or two staged sfdr , with first booster stage propelling to a particular distance longer than normal sfdr , and then ramjet activates.

Will be easy to develop , total independence in seeker and all .
 

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Unit cost of metwor missile is same as brahmos .

So no cost cutting ,but for indigenous one ,we may save bucks
 

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Just a simple question ,which brahmos model ??

No work has been done till now for brahmos awacs killer .

Meanwhile work is going on for desi lfrj as well as sfdr technology .

So is it better to go for a missile which will be based on russian or go for tech which we building in-house for a various application .

Coming to the point of range benefit ,with brahmos , what about a enlarged sfdr based missile or two staged sfdr , with first booster stage propelling to a particular distance longer than normal sfdr , and then ramjet activates.

Will be easy to develop , total independence in seeker and all .
I don't think developing anti AWACS Brahmos will involve too much work. All the basic technologies are already realized in current Brahmos. The major modification will be needed in the radar seeker I guess. And Brahmos based AWACS killer will be cheaper to develop, plus streamline logistics due to commonality with existing brahmos. Developing a new, SFDR based super long range missile from scratch doesn't make sense if you can just use an existing platform like Brahmos. SFDR is being developed as a 300 km range Meteor category missile. Not a 600 km range AWACS killer.
 

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Just a simple question ,which brahmos model ??

No work has been done till now for brahmos awacs killer .

Meanwhile work is going on for desi lfrj as well as sfdr technology .

So is it better to go for a missile which will be based on russian or go for tech which we building in-house for a various application .

Coming to the point of range benefit ,with brahmos , what about a enlarged sfdr based missile or two staged sfdr , with first booster stage propelling to a particular distance longer than normal sfdr , and then ramjet activates.

Will be easy to develop , total independence in seeker and all .
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I don't think developing anti AWACS Brahmos will involve too much work. All the basic technologies are already realized in current Brahmos. The major modification will be needed in the radar seeker I guess. And Brahmos based AWACS killer will be cheaper to develop, plus streamline logistics due to commonality with existing brahmos. Developing a new, SFDR based super long range missile from scratch doesn't make sense if you can just use an existing platform like Brahmos. SFDR is being developed as a 300 km range Meteor category missile. Not a 600 km range AWACS killer.
Any missile based on ramjet will be expensive ,and you can't use current brahmos ,proposal was based in brahmos ng , this i e is not optimized for air to air operation .


And how will you guide or lock awacs , through your friendly awacs ??

Why not indigenous lfrj missile
 

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At those great distances there will be enough warning for most planes to make evasive measures especially awacs....so far these takedowns only exist on paper, there is a reason why inspite of all these long range missiles and what not AWACS are not going any where....too narrow of a role for a bramhos type missile in my opinion.
A subsonic, nonmaneuverable platform like AWACS will have a hard time escaping a Mach 3 missile like Brahmos even if detected from long range. Especially since Brahmos can track the AWACS from far away with its onboard radar and make the necessary adjustments.
 

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Any missile based on ramjet will be expensive ,and you can't use current brahmos ,proposal was based in brahmos ng , this i e is not optimized for air to air operation .


And how will you guide or lock awacs , through your friendly awacs ??

Why not indigenous lfrj missile
You can detect and track AWACS using its own radar emissions, which it will need to emit to do its job. I think even a radar warning reciever will give away its location.
 

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A subsonic, nonmaneuverable platform like AWACS will have a hard time escaping a Mach 3 missile like Brahmos even if detected from long range. Especially since Brahmos can track the AWACS from far away with its onboard radar and make the necessary adjustments.
There are lot of things an Awacs can do especially in eccm and ew and also they are generally protected.....question...are there any air to air cruise missiles?
 

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There are lot of things an Awacs can do especially in eccm and ew and also they are generally protected.....question...are there any air to air cruise missiles?
The ECCEM and EW measures that AWACS can use, a warship can also use. If that's a problem for Brahmos then it won't even be an effective antiship missile. As for air to air cruise missiles, I remember reading that US was developing one but cancelled it due to budget cuts after cold war ended. And as for air to air Brahmos, you can bet Russia too is developing it for its own forces alongside India.
 

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The ECCEM and EW measures that AWACS can use, a warship can also use. If that's a problem for Brahmos then it won't even be an effective antiship missile. As for air to air cruise missiles, I remember reading that US was developing one but cancelled it due to budget cuts after cold war ended. And as for air to air Brahmos, you can bet Russia too is developing it for its own forces alongside India.
They are developing it but I have not heard or read anywhere its a cruise missile....there is a huge difference between awacs plane and ship with some measures....unless you are talking about telemetry ships and what not even then awacs plan has its own strengths in tactical sense. This idea sounds like that ramjet arty shell, while its possible there are better alternatives that are equally effective. I guess we will see...with f-35 like planes that can acts as hubs the air space threat perception is already changing and awacs may be even further away from battle field as its equipment sees improvements
 

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Too expensive to use bramhos to do that awacks killing job? Only US has the ability to launch awacs at this point near India and we are not planning to go to war with them but they could come to assist their islamic brothers based on situation like 1971 as a show of power.....we have enough fighters to take care of the awacs from Pakistan with MKIs?
Expensive things will also get destroyed by one shot brahmos why that you are forgetting.
AWACS are daily made products or Tankers are daily made product.
The effects were seen on 27 febuary just to say.
Brahmos is not about going to war with americans but a killer of AWACS weapon.
 

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Expensive things will also get destroyed by one shot brahmos why that you are forgetting.
AWACS are daily made products or Tankers are daily made product.
The effects were seen on 27 febuary just to say.
Brahmos is not about going to war with americans but a killer of AWACS weapon.
Except so far its been a cruise missile and cruise missiles are generally not used in that role, their advantages come in air to surface against land targets and ships....
 

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I don't think it will have to be lighter or smaller. The current air launched brahmos could be modified for air to air role. It can likely fly higher than an AWACS. So it could easily approach the AWACS from top. And it doesn't have to be too maneuverable to target a slow aircraft like AWACS. In fact, the 400 km range 40N6E missile of the S-400 system is likely comparable in size to the current Brahmos.
It has to be much much lighter otherwise it won't be able to pull sufficient G manuever to hit the awacs while evading countermeasures.

Also current bramhos air can only be carried by some modified su30mki. We need a awacs killer which even lca can carry .
 

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