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[shuvo@y2k10]

Akash NG and VLSRSAM has both similar range.

Is VLSRSAM just for Indian Navy?

 

[flanker99]

tdv from dec last year i spot 2 new radomes and LRMFR seems to be on the ship...anyone else see something new?

 

[Coalmine]

Astra mk 2

It was actually VL astra Sam for navy.
Not astra martk 2

 

[ladder]

Akash NG and VLSRSAM has both similar range.

Is VLSRSAM just for Indian Navy?

Both have similar ranges?
Also, Akash NG is launched at an angle/ canted launched isn't it?

 

[Lonewolf]

It was actually VL astra Sam for navy.
Not astra martk 2

I mean when it will be tested , no notam ,

 

[Lonewolf]

Akash NG and VLSRSAM has both similar range.

Is VLSRSAM just for Indian Navy?

Is 80km =20km .

 

[Akula]

I mean when it will be tested , no notam ,

Maybe by March.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Is 80km =20km .

Akash NG test was done few days ago. DRDO press release did not say anything about the range.
Various media speculations ranged from 50km to 80 km.

If we consider 50 km to be true, then VLSRSAM has 40 km range, Akash and QRSAM has 30 km range.

Other than Akash which is already inducted, the question remains, which missile is for which user?

 

[Lonewolf]

Akash NG test was done few days ago. DRDO press release did not say anything about the range.
Various media speculations ranged from 50km to 80 km.

If we consider 50 km to be true, then VLSRSAM has 40 km range, Akash and QRSAM has 30 km range.

Other than Akash which is already inducted, the question remains, which missile is for which user?

Well missile is much similar to barak 8 , won't have range less than 80 km , might in future we may see some 150 km range missile

 

[BlackViking]

Yes, if they earn a bit then they can invest it further on R&D. But then you need to follow the self embargo else I am laughing on this government for a self embargo and then finding waivers for things which you still want to import even after embargo, if you want such waivers then what is the point of an embargo imposed on yourself?

If Armed Forces think that because in USA private firms make a lot of defence equipment and ours have started doing it then we are at the same level then I can feel pity on them, if army wants an AR-15 pattern carbine, ask SSSD to develop an AR-15 carbine instead of issuing tenders for specs, specs alone don’t matter, design too matters but in other parts of the world countries lobby to make their private companies win the tender if their provided equipment qualifies al parameters else they can import, here in India we lobby to import and stay away from Indian companies.

We would have been using thousands of Arjuns but Army changed their requirements unnecessarily over time so that Arjun becomes unacceptable and T-90s are imported, same goes with their infantry rifle program, they changed their caliber requirements multiple times during development, we can make but we need people who are ready for it and hate imports. Here Indian Army purposely wants a foreign rifle to win their firearms tender while they can ask SSSD straightaway that we need AKs and ARs not CZ BREN knockoff P-72s so make it for us so that you can easily win the tender but then Army will not do it, Army can help in development of Small Arms but they don’t do it purposely so that few elites can earn kickbacks from imports and then this so called arms embargo, what happened now? They said they will get an indigenous carbine but they are inviting foreign bids too? This is just joke, even I can say I will study 12 hours a day without touching phone and then spend hours on it saying, aaj man nahi padhne ka, aaj zaruri kaam hai, ek kaam tha...

Navy is in best condition because they focussed on indigenisation and hence we are producing aircraft carriers like INS Vikrant indigenously and next INS Vishal carrier will also be built indigenously, Navy only has to float tenders to those who will construct their submarine and all of them are Indian companies.

Airforce is now focussing on indigenisation hence now they are getting well off for future but Indian army so called pride of India has always lobbied for imported maal, funny thing is that Indian helicopter service companies like Pawan Hans (which is a government PSU company) uses Airbus helicopters and not Indigenous Dhruv helos, if Civilian variant of Dhruv was made for fun then why did Government waste our taxpayers’ money on it’s development?

Indian Army uses almost half a dozen different types of red dots and holographic sights, we import EOTech 512 even though BEL Makes holographic sights indigenously, Army could have made it standard, but made a clusterfuck with infuse of multiple imported ones,

The only reason QAT got Quad NODs was because Tonbo was making it in India indigenously, if they were not making it, the MoD would not have sanctioned it’s development for use, such is our condition.

World’s best firearm makers belong to the countries where firearms are illegal to own except for a few legal civilian weapons for self defence.

If Army wanted an AR-18 battle rifle they could have asked SSSD to make an AR-18 rifle but then they want ki SSSD ko ham kyu bole? Wo nahi banaye unki galti, ham import karenge.

It is not America where if a company’s product does not qualify then it can be rejected, it is India hence if one is developing UAV then support it so that it can be procured instead of rejecting them and leaving them with few resources.

We have JV called PLR which hardly receives any bulk orders, they make small arms and all sorts of accessories indigenously yet are ignored.

Arre bhai rangoli kyun bana rahe ho?

 

[Pazhassiraja]

Akash NG test was done few days ago. DRDO press release did not say anything about the range.
Various media speculations ranged from 50km to 80 km.

If we consider 50 km to be true, then VLSRSAM has 40 km range, Akash and QRSAM has 30 km range.

Other than Akash which is already inducted, the question remains, which missile is for which user?

Yes.. 3 different SAMs is indeed raising curiosity.. It would be interesting if some one can point out the user and role of this VLSAM.. From what I read here, Akash NG is for AF for protecting stationary assets and QRSAM & SPyDer are for army to move along with battle formations..

 

[ladder]

Akash NG test was done few days ago. DRDO press release did not say anything about the range.
Various media speculations ranged from 50km to 80 km.

If we consider 50 km to be true, then VLSRSAM has 40 km range, Akash and QRSAM has 30 km range.

Other than Akash which is already inducted, the question remains, which missile is for which user?

If I may attempt, in the absence of @porky_kicker et al.
1. Akash mk1 inducted.
2. Akash 1s for both IAF and IA. Will utilize the existing launcher and other infrastructure. ( Part of the 7 squadron order for IAF shall be 1s variant)
Development path: a. Reducing footprint and AESA radar. b. Range may increase due to seeker. c.Kinematic performance might improve in future with higher energy density propellant.

3. Akash 1p for Indian Army, it is optimised for mountainous region. ( 2 regiments may be ordered) development to follow the 1s path mentioned above.
MK-1/1s/1p shall not be inducted into Indian Navy.

4. The family called Akash NG.
1. Dual pulse variant ( tested) range 50-80 km
2. Dual pulsed version with solid booster ( 100-150 km) can be developed. Disadvantages is that minimum engagement range will also increase.
3. Akash NG single pulse ( 30-40 km ). Theoretically possible. Cost difference of single pulse vs dual pulse will be a factor if at all it is produced.

Again for IA and IAF as Indian Navy might not accept due to it being angle launched. Until VL-Akash NG is developed, IN will stay away.

The equivalent of Akash NG family for Indian Navy shall be the VL SRSAM family. Although with a little lower range.
What has been tested today is most probably the single pulse variant. Range might be 20 to 25 km. ( Navy has a pressing need for SRSAM)
But dual pulse and dual pulse with solid booster too are technically possible.

Comming to QR SAM, it mostly for Indian Army. It focuses on quick deployment, quick reaction firing on quick stops and firing on the move.

Indian Airforce hasen't indicated whether it wants to induct QR-SAM.

Leaving other systems that haven't been tested.

Also, LRSAM-MRSAM ( Barak 8 ) will see/ is seeing deployment with all three services.

But, the above answer will change a lot due to creation of Air-Defence command and Theatre Command.

 

[AMCA]

VLSRSAM is longer than Astra

 

[Manish Singh]

https://www1.nseindia.com/corporate/HAL_16022021101736_InvestorMeet_16022020_presentation.pdf

Credit BRF jaysimha

 

[ezsasa]

DRDO Products for Export 2021

1. Aeronautical Systems
1 Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) TEJAS
1.2 Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C)
1.3 Lakshya (Pilotless test/ Target aircraft)
1.4 Duck Drop System for Aircraft
1.5 Heavy Drop Systems –16T
1.6 Heavy Drop Systems –3T
1.7 Brake Parachute For MiG-29 Aircraft
1.8 Brake Parachute for Su-30 Aircraft
1.9 Brake Parachutes for Hawk (AJT)
1.10 Controlled Aerial Delivery System (CADS)
1.11 Arrestor Barrier System
1.12 Identification of Friend or Foe (IFF)
1.13 Combat Free Fall System (CFF)
1.14 Computerized Pilot Selection System (CPSS)
1.15 Protective Equipment and Flying Clothing for Fighter Pilots
1.16 Microwave Chaff Cartridge-118/I
1.17 Integrated Life Support System
1.18 Anti Aircraft Simulation System (A2S2)
1.19 Wankel type Rotary Engine 20

2. Armament & Combat Systems
2.1 Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT) Mk IA
2.2 Pinaka Weapon System
2.3 Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS)
2.4 Armoured Amphibious Dozer (AAD) MK-I
2.5 Armoured Engineer Reconnaissance Vehicle (AERV)
2.6 Armoured Recovery & Repair Vehicle (ARRV)
2.7 Bridge Layer Tank (BLT)
2.8 Multi-span Mobile Bridging System (SARVATRA)
2.9 Modular Bridge–46m
2.10 Manually Launched Assault Bridge (MLAB)
2.11 Short Span Bridging System-5m
2.12 Short Span Bridging System-10m
2.13 Crevasse Crossing Bridge
2.14 Mountain Foot Bridge-35m
2.15 Mat Ground Surfacing (MGS 70)
2.16 Wheeled Armoured Platform (WhAP) - 8x8
2.17 INSAS Weapons (RIFLE and LMG)
2.18 Joint Venture Protective Carbine (JVPC)
2.19 Under Barrel Grenade Launcher (UBGL)
2.20 Infantry Company Commander Tactical Trainer (INFCOTT)
2.21 Anti Tank Mine: VIBHAV
2.22 Anti Tank Mine: VISHAL
2.23 Anti Thermal Anti Laser Smoke Grenade-81 mm
2.24 Explosive Reactive Armour
2.25 Bi Modular Charge System (BMCS)
2.26 Counter Mine Flail System on T-72 Tank Chassis
2.27 Mechanical Mine Layer (Self Propelled)
2.28 Self-Propelled Mine Burier (SPMB)
2.29 Mine Field Marking Equipment
2.30 Bund Blasting Device
2.31 Remotely Operated Vehicle (ROV) - Daksh
2.32 Confined Space ROV - Daksh Mini
2.33 Surveillance ROV - Daksh Scout
2.34 Mobile Autonomous Robotic System (MARS)
2.35 Robot Sentry
2.36 Portable Handheld & Backpack Water Mist based Fire Fighting System
2.37 Explosive Identifier (e-Discerner)
2.38 Multi – Mode Hand Grenade
2.39 Parallel Probe Saturation Profiler (PPSP)
2.40 Multi-Parameter Probe (MPP) 61 2.41 Snow Moisture Meter (SMM)

3. Electronics & Communication Systems
3.1 3D Medium Range Surveillance Radar
3.2 3D Surveillance Radar- Revathi
3.3 3D Low Level Light Weight Radar: Aslesha Radar
3.4 2D Low Level Light Weight Radar
3.5 3D Tactical Control Radar
3.6 Surface Surveillance Radar
3.7 Battle Field Surveillance Radar – Short Range (BSFR-SR)
3.8 Multi Function Fire Control Radar
3.9 Weapon Locating Radar
3.10 Border Surveillance System (BOSS)
3.11 Advanced Driver Night Sight (A-DNS)
3.12 Hand Held Thermal Imager with Laser Range Finder (HHTI with LRF)
3.13 Holographic Sight
3.14 Multi-Purpose Sight
3.15 Stabilized Electro-Optical Sight (SEOS)
3.16 Stabilized Surveillance Sight (SSS)
3.17 VHF Frequency Hopping Radio
3.18 Advanced VLF Communication System
3.19 High-Data Rate VLF (HD-VLF) Communication System
3.20 Software Defined Radio-Naval Communication (SDR-NC)
3.21 Software Defined Radio-Tactical (SDR-TAC)
3.22 Quad Diversity Troposcatter Modem
3.23 Short Range Optical Target Locater (OTL300)-300m
3.24 Short Range Optical Target Locater (OTL600)-600m
3.25 Long Range Optical Target Locater (OTL1500)-1500m
3.26 Laser Dazzler for Crowd Control 89 3.27 Laser Fence 90

4. Life Protection Systems
4.1 Bullet Proof Jacket (BPJ)
4.2 HAPO Chamber
4.3 Reusable Phase Change Material (PCM) Heat packs
4.4 Phase Change Material (PCM) Cool Vest
4.5 Survival Blanket 96 4.6 Splint Inflatable
4.7 All Terrain Water Purification System (WPS)
4.8 Chemical Agent Monitor - E-Nasika
4.9 Iron Removal Unit 100
4.10 Flexi Saver Water Purifier

5. Micro Electronics Devices & Computational Systems
5.1 120W Pulsed X band Microwave Power Module (MPM)
5.2 100W CW C-Ku band Microwave Power Module (MPM)
5.3 300W Pulsed Ku band compact
5.4 Geographical Information system (GIS)

6. Missile Systems
6.1 Surface to Air Missile System - Akash
6.2 Beyond Visual Range (BVR) Air-to-Air Missile - Astra
6.3 Anti Tank Guided Missile - NAG
6.4 BRAHMOS Weapon System

7. Naval Systems
7.1 Hull Mounted Sonar for Surface Ships (HMS-X)
7.2 Hull Mounted Torpedo Alert System (HUMTAS-X)
7.3 Bow Mounted Sonar for Surface Ships (BMS-X)
7.4 Compact Hull Mounted Sonar for Small Surface Vessels (HMS-X2)
7.5 Submarine Sonar Suite (SMS-X) 120 7.6 Rubber Tiles for Submarines
7.7 Advanced Torpedo Defence System for Ships (ATDS-X)
7.8 Underwater Acoustic Communication System (UWACS TRITON)
7.9 Low Frequency Dunking Sonar (LFDS-X)
7.10 Emergency Sound Signalling Device for Submarine (ESSD)
7.11 Own Noise Measurement & Analysis System for Ships and Submarines (ONMA)
7.12 Passive Towed Array Sonar for Surface Ships (PTAS-X)
7.13 Advanced Light Towed Array Sonar (ALTAS-X)
7.14 Portable Diver Detection Sonar (PDDS-X)
7.15 Integrated Coastal Surveillance System (ICSS-X)
7.16 Sonar System Simulators
7.17 Heavy Weight Torpedo - Varunastra
7.18 Expendable Decoy - Maareech
7.19 Torpedo Advanced Light (TAL) – Light Weight Torpedo
7.20 Submarine Fired Decoy – Soft Kill Countermeasure
7.21 Fire Control System (Torpedo)
7.22 Composite Sonar Dome for Naval Ships
7.23 Impressed Current Cathodic Protection System (ICCPS)
7.24 Submarine Escape Equipment
7.25 Naval Wargame
7.26 Under Water Acoustic Sensors (Hydrophones)
7.27 Air Droppable Container - Sahayak NG
7.28 Instant Fire Detection and Suppression System (IFDSS) 144

8. NBC
8.1 NBC Mobile Water Purification System (WPS)
8.2 NBC Casualty Bag Full
8.3 NBC Casualty Bag Half
8.4 NBC Decontamination Suit
8.5 Radiation Monitor
8.6 Water/ Liquid Radioactivity Contamination Monitoring System (WLRCMS)
8.7 Food Radioactivity Contamination Monitoring System (FRCMS)
8.8 Pocket Dosimeter (PDM)
8.9 Portable Dose Rate Meter (PDRM)
8.10 Roentgenometer
8.11 Radiation Detection Measurement and Control Unit (RADMAC)
8.12 Gamma Flash Sensor
8.13 CBRN Mini UGV
8.14 NBC Reconnaissance Vehicle (NBC RV)
8.15 Mobile CBRN Detection & Communication (MDC) Vehicle
8.16 NBC Protective Equipment

9. Materials
9.1 High Nitrogen Steel (HNS)
9.2 Solvent-Free Anticorrosive Paint
9.3 Heavy Duty Non-Skid Paint
9.4 High Performance Exterior Paint
9.5 Camouflage and Infrared Reflective (CAM-IRR) Paint
9.6 Polyurea Coatings
9.7 Stratified Coating

 

[Manish Singh]

https://www1.nseindia.com/corporate/HAL_16022021101736_InvestorMeet_16022020_presentation.pdf

Credit BRF jaysimha

"IJT successfully performed two turn
LH & RH spin test in Dec 2020"

 

[porky_kicker]

VLSRSAM is longer than Astra

Note the pic

Astra has rail guides , visible on one of the side ( in the pic top side ) as it is rail launched.

Now note VLSRSAM it also has rail guides , visible on one of the side ( in the pic top side ) , most probably to act as guide inside the canister.

Now this raises a interesting possibility - VLSRSAM in the future has the potential to be reconfigured as an air to air missile with TVC , using the existing Astra Mk1 rail launch pylons , possibly as an updated and more aerodynamically capable Astra Mk1.

This is just my personal opinion . Nothing more.

 

[fire starter]

 

[Bajirao]

Akash NG and VLSRSAM has both similar range.

Is VLSRSAM just for Indian Navy?

Vl-srsam will have hardly 20-30 km range..

 

[Karthi]

Our members are arguing about VL SRSAM range . I think 20-25 Km is logical . ASTRA MK 1 has a range of 20 Km in see level . TVC may reduce range . From the pic I believe VL SRSAM is slightly longer and thinner than ASTRA , may be vlsrsam can carry a little more Propellent than Astra overall 20 Km is average range for me . Certainly exceptional manuverablity is guaranteed through TVC and big Fins .