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Why not make a naval variant of AMCA instead of TEDBF?
core design philosophy of AMCA is elimination of external hard points to achieve stealth, core design philosophy of TEBDF is carry as much variety on its hard points.

so there is a conflict in the core design philosophy itself.

Other point could be that, control surfaces on TEBDF will be more pronounced than AMCA for it to land safely on carrier deck, which will probably compromise the stealth of AMCA design.

Just to give you an idea on how large control surfaces on MIG-29k are.
 

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Another great informative vid from the stables of Anantha K M.


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Some important observations-.

1. All PDR of various sub systems and LRU have been completed for Amca . Aircraft level PDR was completed last month. Configuration has been frozen.

2. The project is in detailed design phase now. Ada plans to roll out Amca mk1 by 2024 and have the first flight in 2025.

3. A Hyderabad based firm is currently fabricating a full scale model of AMCA for RCS tests at Project Orange 🍊 facility. Various laboratories and academic institutions are engaged in RCS reduction studies and other facets of stealth tech. And they have all made good progress . There is a good level of understanding on what is expected from the team .

4. DSI has been incorporated in Amca which has gone a long way in reducing frontal RCS and also resulting in other benefits like a simpler more reliable air intake due to absence of movable ramps.

5. Regarding the TEDBF, the project is in preliminary design phase. The final will be frozen by middle of this year. So in all probability, the TEDBF diagram we saw at Dr Reddy's briefing is most likely the actual stuff and not some diagram from initial conceptual studies.

6. Canards of the close coupling kind waas developed for Tejas mk2 aka MWF. Diverteless intakes is being developed for Amca and both these technologies will be incorporated in Tedbf.

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7. ADA boss Dr Girish Deodhare is expecting Tedbf to roll out in 2025 followed by first flight in 2026. Tedbf is being designed to replace MiG-29K. So it's MTOW will be atleast 24.5 tons .

8. There's a Naval Project office associated with the TEDBF . In other words, the end user which is Navy is closely involved and they are providing inputs on the configuration and other aspects based kn which the the ac is being designed by ADA.

9. When asked about the challenging and aggresive timelines , the good Dr says that they are achievable since most of the technologies have already been developed and validated and unless something unforseen happens , Amca mk1 will fly in 2025 and Tedbf will fly in 2026 .

PS- Amca will get IOC and get inducted in IAF by 2027-28 . Tejas mk2 will get inducted even earlier .
According to R Madhavan ,HAL CMD , they plan to roll out mk2 in Aug of 24 and have its first flight exactly a year later .
Turk roaches are saying that they would roll out their TFX in 2023
Is that possible
 

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Turk roaches are saying that they would roll out their TFX in 2023
Is that possible
Another pindigenous phaiter taiyyara that will kill all yindoo baniya kuffars.

India lacks in indigenous equipments but is still better than Turkey as Turkey just license produces other equipment and call it indigenous.
 

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Another pindigenous phaiter taiyyara that will kill all yindoo baniya kuffars.

India lacks in indigenous equipments but is still better than Turkey as Turkey just license produces other equipment and call it indigenous.
Not better infact miles better in especially aerospace industry.
We literally made two fighters,mk2 would roll out 2022 by the time even their trainer gets on
 

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In my opinion TFX would be a mega disaster.
Know why?
Turkey did not even develop a 4th gen fighter and jumped directly 5th gen,shows lack of strategic thinking.
FGFA derives most of the technologies from 4th gen fighter aircraft leapfrog directly would be disaster.
AMCA could've been the same phase if we didn't mature the technologies of 4++ gen fighters,I am glad we went gradually phase by phase.
Same goes for engine,if we target small thrust engines and go for higher thrust phase by phase,there wouldn't be any need for ToT begging or IP begging for engine.
 

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In my opinion TFX would be a mega disaster.
Know why?
Turkey did not even develop a 4th gen fighter and jumped directly 5th gen,shows lack of strategic thinking.
FGFA derives most of the technologies from 4th gen fighter aircraft leapfrog directly would be disaster.
AMCA could've been the same phase if we didn't mature the technologies of 4++ gen fighters,I am glad we went gradually phase by phase.
Same goes for engine,if we target small thrust engines and go for higher thrust phase by phase,there wouldn't be any need for ToT begging or IP begging for engine.
Same goes for ultra knowledgeable defence experts that we wuzz go for 6th gen,we woulddd have 5th gen when 7thh gen taiyyara would be flying lmaooo.
 

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Why not make a naval variant of AMCA instead of TEDBF?
AMCA is heavyweight fighter. We do not have thrust Vectoring capability just like f35.
We also do not have catobar like carriers to lauch heavyweight aircraft.
With current technology in vikramaditya and vikrant we can launch light and medium fighters only.
 

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AMCA is heavyweight fighter. We do not have thrust Vectoring capability just like f35.
We also do not have catobar like carriers to lauch heavyweight aircraft.
With current technology in vikramaditya and vikrant we can launch light and medium fighters only.
Wait...
Wouldn't amca have TVC pitch,yaw and roll?
 

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Wait...
Wouldn't amca have TVC pitch,yaw and roll?
AMCA will have TVC but which technology idk as there are many drawbacks of TVC but this feature is over hyped due to mind blowing manouevres it enables the aircraft to do, here it is better explained.
 

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AMCA will most probably feature 2D TVC. DRDO worked a lot jointly with the Russians on this technology few years back.
Also, HAL has some experience working with TVC gained by assembling the AL-31 engine in its Koratpur plant.
3D doesn't really give much advantage but just adds up weight.
 

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