DRDO, PSU and Private Defence Sector News

[porky_kicker]

If you think private Indian companies doing wonders in Defense sector than you are wrong. Its better to do collaboration with foreign players and learn to know how than simply doing Dallali for them. There is no magic stick which can turn our relatively poor capable cooperates into full flagged R/D entity so if you cant walk lean crawling then start walk and then running, like we have done Automobile sector.
Increasing FDI in defense for critical technology also good because it will make sure its availability to us, generate employment, generate export revenue and one day we will own that technology too.
So far this government has done marvelous job by streamlining all stake holders. Modi openly warned DRDO, Negative import list for Armed forces malaise ( Finally ) and Encouraging private companies and reducing FDI for technological inflow.

I can vouch what he said is more or less correct .

Pedigree is something which takes decades to develop. There is no short cut to technology.

Most Indian private companies don't do original work , they simply relabel foreign stuffs or at the least modify the same to suit Indian requirements.

Mostly Indian start ups are doing original works .

Major companies rarely own the IP of their products. Eg TATA they own some of the subsystem level stuff but system level stuff is mostly foreign or DRDO. Kalyani also incorporates many foreign stuff at subsystem level. L&T also incorporates many foreign stuff at subsystem level , including system level stuff.

One needs to learn to crawl before one can walk .

And except for the navy , rest of Indian military needs to pull out their head from the sand and smell the coffee . Unless the end user is proactive , building an indigenous MIC is impossible.

Note : I strongly believe government must give incentives to Indian companies who carry out original research and own the IP of their products . And they must priotize the purchase of " owned by India " systems over foreign owned systems as a rule .

 

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[Bleh]

 

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But no private companies are having money and experience to do R&D it's a fact. Seems like drdo is the only way forward while these private companies can act as sub system manufacturers.

 

[Shaitan]

Private sector wont be just be sub system manufacturers, but whole system manufacturers. As far as serious R&D, I dont expect them do it just yet. Let them get orders, set up manufacturing, testing facilities, not even DRDO was doing major R&D across the board before the 2000s, other than strategic programs. Any one who have joined these forums back in the day know how pathetic it was for even for DRDO then.

DRDO is going a great job including small and big private firms on their pre-existing programs to new on the drawing board programs.

Someone like Bharat Forge who brought a whole line of artillery products through foreign purchases, foreign tie ups, and local engineering, etc. should be rewarded. They took this risk with almost no guarantee of it paying off, while OFB had the blueprint of the Bofors under their desk when India was in need of artillery systems.

Smaller firms will continue to leech off bigger producers.

 

[patriots]

Though guys here saying Pvt industry doesn't have money....but still some products can be developed with minimal investment
Sss defence ,idea forge are the example s

 

[Haldilal]

Though guys here saying Pvt industry doesn't have money....but still some products can be developed with minimal investment
Sss defence ,idea forge are the example s

Idea forge yes.
SSS Defence no. See the SSS defence thread for this answer.

 

[Bleh]

Idea forge yes.
SSS Defence no. See the SSS defence thread for this answer.

They are outsourcing some external furniture (like FAB kit on our Aks)... As long as the can manufacture the core system by themselves, they will count.

 

[Haldilal]

They are outsourcing some external furniture (like FAB kit on our Aks)... As long as the can manufacture the core system by themselves, they will count.

When they start manufacturing the systems then I will see and believe it till then ::biggrin2::

 

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[ezsasa]

This argument is valid only upto a point.

The expertise gained by domestic companies varies from technology to technology, companies like VEM have mastered training & simulation related tech, companies like punj Lloyd ignored R&D and chose ToT, companies like SSS claim they want to start from scratch and build their own IP. irrespective of at what stage a company is, policy has to take all scenarios into account.

The arguments like the one above is valid only if a particular tech is being mentioned, it can’t be applied as a blanket statement.

Procurement cycle cannot be compromised for R&D cycle.

 

[Bajirao]

Nothing to worry,nothing to excite...everything remains same...most major systems will be drdo designed and manufactured by either dpsu or, private company..

 

[Tuco]

What happened to today's Notam, was anything tested. I am getting anxious.

 

[Chinmoy]

What happened to today's Notam, was anything tested. I am getting anxious.

Extended to September 7 & 8.

 

[Akula]

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After American, presenting the German DM51A1 grenade as same as our Shivalik. And we have qutiyas here who was saying it to be a useless product DODO designed.

Even China has started providing Multi mode grenades to their soldiers.

 

[Chinmoy]

Even China has started providing Multi mode grenades to their soldiers.

Yeah. Saw it, just didn't want to give them space .

It was just for info of people who thought it to be useless tech.

 

[Akula]

Yeah. Saw it, just didn't want to give them space .

It was just for info of people who thought it to be useless tech.

Same here, just wanted to support your point.

 

[NeXoft007]

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Looks Pralay Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile to me with 350kg warhead.

 

[Tuco]

Extended to September 7 & 8.

Tareek pe Tareek.

 

[Karthi]

Bhukari Space Heat device