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hahaha..guyz...we are going to be in the defence EXPORTERS CLUB...
we gotta brace for hearing such shitrticles in the media in the coming days..
The chinese are hearing it..the Ruskies are hearing it..
we too is hearing it..
its an acknowledgment that some people are spooked..

may be..cuz Akash is sought by some Middle East nations..
Ya know...the sand people with mucho money..where the Europeans and Umricans and selling their wares
so to whom we are selling akash Missile ?
 

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Did cag mention about akash in their report or else this article is fake.
 

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Did cag mention about akash in their report or else this article is fake.
lots of news reports from 2017-2018, google it. but unable to find the CAG report, maybe i donno where to look.

the report is not available for public consumption on CAG website.
i think this is the one.
Report No. 14 of 2018 - Compliance Audit Report, Union Government(Defence Services) Air Force
 
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Akash missile system can't be trusted during war': Degraded by govt defence agencies, loopholes in strategic weapon system threaten national security
  • Other squadrons reported frequent unserviceability of mobile surface-to-air Akash Missile system and long duration downtime, which means that the missiles are dysfunctional and may not be cocked and loaded against enemy in contingency
  • Several government agencies, including missile manufacturer Bharat Dynamics Limited, Bharat Electronics Limited, did not tell the truth to the government about malfunctioning Akash Missile system and poor quality of spare parts provided by the private vendors
  • CAG was perhaps far-sighted, when in a 2017 report, the national auditor observed that Akash Missiles cannot be trusted in war.


  • On 3 June, 2018, Akash Missile's Transportation and Loading Vehicle (TLV), parked at an Air Force Squadron, was jolted after a sudden burst of tube followed by shearing off wheel bolts due to impact. The incident shocked Air Force headquarters. The Air Force officials wanted not only wanted the routine analysis of the incident, but also an in-depth discussion with Defence Research and Development Laboratory (DRDL), a multi-disciplinary Missile System laboratory under the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) to unearth issues hampering the functioning of the strategic weapon system.

    More than a month later, another squadron reported cracks on air intake caps of dummy missiles. An investigation by Firstpost revealed that the incidents were followed by other squadrons reporting frequent unserviceability of mobile surface-to-air Akash Missile system and long duration downtime, which means that the missiles are dysfunctional and may not be cocked and loaded against enemy in contingency. This incident forced Guided Weapon Maintenance Department of Air Force on 5 September 2018 to raise the issue, where they clearly stated that the "Squadrons have been reporting frequent unserviceability of Missiles and it has been noticed that time taken to resolve these failures is considerably high due to delay in analysis of failures."

    The sheer inertia of government defence enterprise involved in Akash Missile production and maintenance reached to such an alarming level that at least three squadrons of Akash in February 2019 reported that missile system remained down or simply broken and sometimes even out of order during 90 percent of the time since their date of commissioning. These squadrons were commissioned between 2013-2015 to counter Chinese aggression.

    Multiple government agencies, including Missile manufacturer Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL) which comes under the Ministry of Defence, Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) which is responsible for radars and maintenance and the DRDO, did not tell the truth to the government about malfunctioning Akash Missile system and poor quality of spare parts provided by the private vendors.

    The malfunction of Integrated Air Compressor and Storage Facility (IACSF) revealed another shocker and the Air Force mentioned it on record that the IACSFs of Akash Missile System units are unserviceable due to wobbling and vibration, pneumatic leakage, breaking of mounting pads and bolts. A missile had failed to take off during combined guided weapon firing exercise known as 'CROSSBOW-18' and a team of Missile System Quality Assurance Agency (MSQAA), BDL and DRDL was constituted to investigate the failure.

  • MSQAA is an independent inspection Agency under the administrative and functional control of Director General Aeronautical Quality Assurance, which comes under the Department of Defence Production of Defence Ministry. The incidents of leakage from fuel tanks and leakage in pressurised Missile containers were taken so lightly that the Air Force, responsible to secure the nation from aerial threats, was forced to direct to the DRDL, BEL and BDL that present configuration of certain systems of Akash Missile will not be acceptable for future squadrons, which are under the process of procurement. The Air Force, BDL, BEL and DRDL are yet to respond to a questionnaire sent by Firstpost on 24 November.

    Details expose criminal act by government defence enterprises

    If there is an emergent situation, several Akash sqaudron may not be able to launch counter offensive because deficiencies in many of the system including hydraulic oil leakage and container pressure leakage, which is pending since 2017. The complaints received from Air Force headquarters, Eastern Air Command and other Akash field units reveals there is no back-to-back agreement with vendors for equipment under warranty, making it difficult to repair the faults. Documents reviewed by Firstpost showed that almost all squadrons have expressed that they are unable to get proper feedback from BEL on repairing the faults in Missile System and on problems plaguing Akash Missiles which Indian agencies are ill-equipped to resolve. Surprisingly the field engineers, who are supposed to rectify the critical snags, are not even aware of any action plan.

  • Documents further said: "Currently majority of the Akash field engineers are working to pass information about issues without any tangible technical output. The untrained and poorly equipped field engineers are neither aware of any corrective action plan nor they are committed."

    The documents also pointed to massive delay in supply of spares for Missile System, virtually grounding them for for six months to a year. Air Force in a meeting had informed that most of the problems reported in 2017 were pending for over a year now. The documents also pointed at the repairing of Akash trailers which are covered under annual maintenance contract. It said: "Akash Trailers serviceability is poor and some cases spares supplied to Akash Missile units are not configured as per system requirement which is affecting equipment serviceability in case of failure."

    Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL) the manufacturer of Akash Missile has not been able to resolve three important issues for the last two to three years. BDL, founded in 1970, is a government enterprise under the administrative control of the Ministry of Defence. It is learnt that BDL was told in high level meeting convened last year to come out with solid plan after conducting an investigation and study of faults in Akash Missile System within a month on long delays of critical faults. Even the investigation to unearth and address the issues was delayed

  • The Air Force has refused to pay for new maintenance contract for certain Akash Missile squadrons as the old ones expired in September 2019. They argued that missile systems in several squadrons were left idle for more than a year. Instead, it had asked for extension of warranty for certain squadrons which have been dysfunctional for 17 to 15 months in the last two years. Air Force asserted since system was down and faults were neither rectified nor replaced, it violated the maintenance contract. Air Force is learnt to have said that "during the warranty period, the seller shall either replace or rectify the failed goods free of charge within 30 days of notification of such defects. As per article of the contract, warranty of the equipment would be extended by such duration from time the buyer has reported such unserviceabilities till the time seller has restored the status of the buyer's satisfaction."

    Red tapeism in government defence enterprises hurt national security

    Firstpost investigation also revealed gross inefficiency of government defence agencies BEL, BDL and DRDL to address the problem in Akash Missile System. Documents reveal that meetings after meetings were convened on the issues but the government defence enterprises couldn't satisfactorily answer the questions raised by Air Force. These government defence enterprises have been passing the buck. They also cheated Air Force by providing substandard and fake spares.

    A meeting earlier this year chaired by Air Vice Marshal Bhanoji Rao pointed at severe negligence in handling Akash Missile System which may have serious ramifications in contingency. Documents revealed that certain spares, especially those of pvt sub-vendors (procured by BEL) were being received at Akash Missile System units without 'Quality Assurance' certification and on a few instances it came to light that these spares were old and fake. In a letter, it was noted: "On few instances it has been noticed that the items were not new/authentic."

    Air Vice Marshal Rao clearly told his team at the Air Force not to accept spares without 'Quality Assurance' certification. The meeting also revealed a lack of expertise of government-owned defence enterprises which are acting merely as a supplier of equipment after procuring it from domestic and foreign vendors. It basically means that these government enterprises are acting like a payment facilitators. Their complicity in this entire saga was further exposed when government defence enterprises officials told the senior Air Force officials that sub-vendors (private companies supplying spares) were not willing to share their design documents.
  • An appalled Air Vice Marshal asked, if the Defence Research and Development Laboratory (DRDL) is the authority then it must have intellectual property rights of all designs related to Akash Missile System. Obviously, the defence agencies representatives were not aware about it since they never took the pain to look into the agreements and promised the Air Force to look into the matter to ascertain whether these rights were with vendors. A promise was made to list all major vendors for unhindered supply of spares to overcome single vendor situation. As far as BEL is concerned documents said: "Almost all squadrons have expressed that they are unable to get proper feedbacks from BEL on progress and plan of action of pending faults."

    The meeting chaired by Air Vice Marshal Rao also discussed high failure rate of one of the systems of Akash Missile, lacunae in analysis of faults and mismatch in software versions used for the this strategic weapon.

    Another major loophole, which highlights the non-seriousness of defence agencies, is the contract with the private vendors. The agreements are more favorable to private parties putting Akash Missile System in jeopardy. Documents flagged these concerns further pointing out that all the vendor supplied items are outside their warranty obligations and in certain cases supplied spares are not configured as per system requirements. Some spares for Akash Missiles are not fit and functional and this is affecting the equipment serviceability in case of failure.

    It appears that careless handling of most critical weapons has been going on for a long time. The Comptroller and Auditor General of India (CAG) was perhaps far-sighted when in a 2017 report, the national auditor observed that Akash Missiles cannot be trusted in situation of a war. CAG had categorically stated that Akash missile system delivered by BEL were deficient in quality and 30% missiles failed the test.

    "Audit found that the Strategic missile system delivered by BEL were deficient in quality. Out of 80 missiles received up to November 2014, 20 missiles were test fired during April-November 2014. Six of these missiles i.e., 30 percent, failed the test. Preliminary failure analysis report revealed that the missiles fell short of the target, had lower than the required velocity, and also there was malfunctioning of critical units like Servo Control Unit and Connector. Two missiles had failed to take off because the booster nozzle had failed. These deficiencies posed an operational risk during hostilities. Two missiles had failed to take off because the booster nozzle had failed. These deficiencies posed an operational risk during hostilities." CAG report had said.

    Firstpost investigation showed that after the CAG report, the squabbling between government defence enterprises had come to light. Eight critical snags in Akash Missile Systems were reported after the CAG report which were pending for three-seven months. CAG had recommended that Ministry of Defence needs to ensure better synchronisation of the various activities and agencies involved in such strategically important projects to ensure their timely completion and quality of Strategic Missiles also needs improvement so as to bring down failure rate.

    Notwithstanding, many snags were not rectified citing lack of spares. The Air Force anguished over lackadaisical attitude of BEL and BDL has firmly directed them to resolve all internal issues immediately and ensure that no Missile is kept unserviceable due to their internal problems.
https://www.firstpost.com/india/aka...ystem-threaten-national-security-7728651.html

Ha ha:biggrin2: well that's happens when you allow stock manipulator chetoos sellers to build military stuff. He is going to do dandhali even there:rofl:
These fckers have no other motive other than to make quick bucks Kasey bhi lol. @Haldiram @Assassin 2.0 here's your mighty pvt sector in her full glory.
desh ka hi halala kar diya in chutiyoon nay :india:

This article is nothing but a clumsy attempt at a hit job .

There is considerable wrongs in the report that it is hilarious

Eg

"another squadron reported cracks on air intake caps of dummy missiles. "

Seriously that's a problem for a DUMMY !!! missile ? Is the writer on drugs ?

Developing top class production tech for any system is a ongoing process , it is basically a trial and error process with no short cuts.

No country will hand over these production technologies , so one has to learn the hard way .

Many of the problems listed make no sense atleast to me . Totally unrelated to the performance of actual missile . Rather the support systems which also i doubt because it seems problems from different timelines were mixed to create the nonsense.

Also i think cag 2017 report was based on its 2014 investigations which the presstitude forgot to mention conveniently . Since then lot of corrections have been made . There is problem with work professionalism though , it is a pan India problem due to reservation etc

Also production process cycle and vendor certification must improve
 
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Army chief and vice-chief are fully behind indigenous weapons soooo hit jobs can go from one ear to another ear.
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And also if INDIA WANT TO BECOME REALLY SOMETHING then atags, tejas and more in the line SHOULD COME.
Look like there is NO PROUD left in ourselves if we go for import and import.
 

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It appears that any PSU programme that fails at quality controls has its funding suspended by MoD whether it be HAL, OFB or BEL. This looks like they are going to be doing away with these projects in public hands and moving them to the private sector.
 

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Let's see the systems mentioned in the report and track their origins

The incidents of leakage from fuel tanks and leakage in pressurised Missile containers were taken so lightly that the Air Force, responsible to secure the nation from aerial threats, was forced to direct to the DRDL, BEL and BDL that present configuration of certain systems of Akash Missile will not be acceptable for future squadrons,
Anjani Technoplast. perhaps an MSME. Makes the pressurised containers.
http://www.anjani.com/pressurized-containers-for-missiles-ammunition/

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A news clipping.


If I remember correctly, the pressurized containers were introduced to increase the shelf life of missile from 5 yearrs to 10-15 years. I can't find where I read that. Perhaps from DRDO or CAG pdf.

Leaks are generally a design defect or quality control issue. It can be rectified in minimum time/cost. Considering the road infrastructure(especially in north-east where the Akash SAMs are based) and varied climate conditions, it is possible that the container structure can take a beating. Should not be a major issue that the report tries to paint as a failure of Akash missile itself.

Further as a layman, I think our MSME still depends on DRDO for ToT. MSMEs may not have inhouse expertise/ resources to take defense level projects directly, So containers for missiles or any such stuff etc with MIL-SPEC certifications will require a bit of handholding till the required talent is developed inhouse.

Some members are directly jumping to PSU quality control etc. But as shown above, it's a private company which makes the container(perhaps using ToT, and having won L1 tender)
 
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Akash Missile's Transportation and Loading Vehicle (TLV), parked at an Air Force Squadron, was jolted after a sudden burst of tube followed by shearing off wheel bolts due to impact.
Nice story telling to start a report, without any details about the incident.

This is Akash TLV. Notice the pressurized containers on it. TLV is BEML Tatra based. Its a simple vehicle. IT does NOT launch the missile. It just carries containers and loads them on the other Launcher Truck with a crane.
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So a pipe/tube burst? And that caused wheel bolts to shear off?

The report fails(or hides) to mention which tube. Was it the tube in the wheel? or a hydraulic tube/pipe.

Again a layman guess, but could be wrong.
Could that be the CTIS - Centralised Tyre Inflation System?

A video os CTIS

Now I don't know the reliability of CTIS or if that could cause this incident. But that puts the responsibility to vehicle manufacturer ie. BEML TATRA or Ashok Leyland or Tata.
And those vehicles have been in use for various other systems for decades.

It looks like a vehicle maintenance issue or a faulty sensor/component of the vehicle itself. Not concerned with the reliability of the Missile System. Nor does it seem to be the general issue being faced by Akash System Trucks or trucks in service across the Military.
 
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If there is propellent leakage from the missile how the heck is a pressurized container to blame for it ?

A defective akash missile inside a pressurized container will leak fuel inside the container irrespective of the condition of the container.

IAF deploys its Akash squadrons inside its bases , which are delivered by air , so the assumption that the containers are at fault is not digestible due to rough terrain and weather, unless SOP are being flouted by the IAF crews and they are handling the containers roughly or the stupid news article is concocting false news , which i believe is the case.

( I have seen how akash is delivered and deployed in a airbase )

Afaik vendors are certified before and after product is produced , but i think sometimes corruption happens where PSU officers take bribes or are lax during vetting procedures during deliveries which leads to certain substandard components from private companies to get in undetected amongst the good quality stuff being delivered.

Anyways
I simply fail to understand the tendency of Indians to take news reports as it is.

As a result we have so much chaos in this country . SMH.

People believe what they read rather than try to find the truth or at the least ignore news reports from presstitudes.

And for the nth time ignore the news report it is a low grade hit job
 
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Just for reference...................

There are several BITE ( built in test equipment ) features for the missile and the launcher etc so how can the news report be true when it says

" frequent serviceability of mobile surface-to-air Akash Missile system and long duration downtime, which means that the missiles are dysfunctional and may not be cocked and loaded against enemy in contingency " ??

Won't a faulty missile be detected during procedural BITE tests before being removed from its pressurised container itself ?

Even then if fault missed won't the fault be detected again during installation on the launcher when BITE test are run after mating of missile to launcher ?

Even then if fault missed won't the fault be detected prior to alert status, ready to launch mode declared, when BITE checks are run from the launcher itself ?

When equipments are produced in lots / batches some faults may develop in one or two of the same due to various reasons, its natural . But given the multiple levels of BITE being available , any faulty missile gets roots out and hence there is no impact on operational readiness as multiple spare reloads are available which can be swapped very early prior to removal of missile from its container.

How hard is to rebut misreportings by presstititudes ?

Anyways my last post on this issue.
 
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Lol now everyone should be clear as to the real purpose of the perfectly timed slanderous news article from Indian presstititudes on akash.

And yes production technologies need to be improved including the entire QC cycle during production not only for akash but for the entire industry. It won't happen in days or months or years it should be a continuous effort with no end.
 

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The Akash report IMHO was leaked by the Rafael gang in India as a hit job against the previous spat between Rafael and DRDO over SPIKE. These CAG reports etc are available for the right price, even though they arent available on the website, printed copies are available with our "journalists" and hence a story was made up using the CAG reports from 2017, plus adding IAF remarks to MOD.

About the issues themselves, they are fairly pedestrian and resolvable. These are around the Akash's support infra and to be honest, if the report has any truth in it, BEL and BDL both need to be hauled up for their laziness and the vendors held accountable as well. Anjani is sitting on a goldmine for potential orders. Best they resolve it, and the compressor manufacturer whose items have failed needs to be switched as well.

The leakage clearly refers to the pressurized gas inside the containers which are clearly not robust enough to handle harsh movement and deployment.

Take a look at any Akash cutaway. The missile is basically solid propellant and it has an air bottle. If there had been propellant leakage and the missile exploded, it would be all over the report. More likely, the air bottle ruptured. If propellant leaks, its only if the missile is stored outside environmental norms for long periods. The CAG had censured the IAF for not even storing the missiles properly. Basically, they too, want to avoid culpability and want to shift the entire blame on the PSUs and get free service, even if they screwed up the storage. Like it or not, we may have to agree to the IAFs demands because one way or the other, both are paid for by the GOI and as this is our first indigenous program ordered on this scale, optics and customer satisfaction are all important, as is the fact these are the final line of defence against incoming weapons and aircraft. For those who think AF can't be so blase, please look at how we lost an entire aerostat radar.

There have been multiple errors from all sides, but aim should be to protect Akash program from further reputational damage and also protect our national security. These are growing pains.
 

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The CAG had censured the IAF for not even storing the missiles properly
They also put su-30 mkis in VERY GOOD CONDITION, you will not listen anything related to RAFALE when it will come because FRENCH are making sure proper maintenance is available there before even a plane land here.
But with su-30 mkis things are LAX or to say not in comparison to RAFALE level, it's a problem with them and other systems.
 

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Indian Air Force to get deadly Akash missiles! Places order for 7 squadrons of Made-in-India missile system

Dismissing reports in a section of the media about the systems which are supporting ground system, sources said that “maintenance is not carried out by DRDO but the Defence PSUs. (PTI)

Satisfied by the consistent and reliable performance by the indigenous Akash Missile System, Surface to Air Missile (SAM) an additional order for seven more squadrons have been placed by the Indian Air Force recently. This is by far the highest order placed by the service for the Akash Missile System.

The Missile System which has been designed and developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and produced and commissioned by Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL), Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) has been performing well in integrated Air Defence (AD) exercises conducted from time to time by IAF.

The number of missiles fired in Ex- Vayu Shakti 2019 or Crossbow-18, the Akash Missile System had successfully intercepted and destroyed unmanned aerial targets.

In Ex Crossbow-18 the indigenous Akash Missile System was fielded along with imported SAM weapon system under integrated Air defence operations and it surpassed all expectations. The made in India Akash Weapon System has proved its performance capability and reliability which has been successfully demonstrated by the IAF.

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There were some teething problems related to extensive field usage faced by squadrons based in the North East and after several rounds of meetings between the user, DRDO and the defence PSUs BDL and BEL and other agencies involved, a mechanism has been evolved to carry out the maintenance together. However, due to the inclement weather in North East, there have been delays in carrying out the repairs.

To a question about serviceability and maintainability of the system, a former IAF officer explained “The BDL/BEL are Defence PSUs and are responsible for the maintainability of the system. There is no design issue with the system which has been designed and developed by DRDO.” And, “a proper ecosystem has been evolved between the user –IAF, DRDO, BEL/BDL from development to commissioning.”

In case of any faults, proper investigations are carried out by DRDO and issues resolved with the joint efforts of the user IAF, BEL/BDL, and other agencies which also included design change.

Sources said that prototypes were made and tested in one equipment and after successful testing and clearance by Quality Assurance (QA), produced in the required quantity and retrofitted in equipment in unit locations. The Missile system comes with combat ground systems which are directly responsible for engaging the threat and supporting ground systems to facilitate the readiness of the combat systems.

Dismissing reports in a section of the media about the systems which are supporting ground system, sources said that “maintenance is not carried out by DRDO but the Defence PSUs. However, design solutions towards the main combat systems are given high priority and addressing the issues related to the other supporting ground system was taken simultaneously.”


https://www.financialexpress.com/de...rons-of-made-in-india-missile-system/1783341/

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Clarification 2 : Dummy Missiles are for crew training and the same missiles are routinely used to train multiple crews.Regular use can cause an air-intake cap to crack.Note : This was not live ordnance.

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Allegation 3 : Air Force mentioned it on record that the Integrated Air Compressor and Storage Facility (IACSF) of Akash Missile System units are unserviceable due to wobbling and vibration, pneumatic leakage, breaking of mounting pads and bolts.

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Clarification 3 : Military Grade Air Compressors are trailer mounted units which look like Gensets on Wheels.The compressors need to be serviced regularly. Any pneumatic leakage points to loose gaskets , Cracked O rings , leaking welds and joints. Easily fixable issues.

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Clarification 3 Continued : Wobbling Trailers point to axle and suspension issues.Could also be a bent wheel rim.Compressors vibrate when mounting pads are loose due to broken bolts.A clear case of maintenance lapse after field usage.What does the AMC say ? Who is the vendor ?

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Allegation 4 : The incidents of leakage from fuel tanks and leakage in pressurised missile containers

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Clarification 4 : The Aakash Missile is Solid Fuelled and cannot leak.Leakage from the Missile Carrier Truck's Fuel Tank is being presented as a Missile Fuel Leak.Pneumatic Leakage in Missile Containers has been discussed earlier pointing to Compressor Maintenance Issues.

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This also points to poor program management at BEL/BDL where Supply Chains are lax and Warranty Contracts have been loosely worded.Time to learn from Automobile Companies.

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This is a clear attempt to discredit the entire missile system for routine support equipment failure.Have Russian and Israeli SAMs in
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