DRDO, PSU and Private Defence Sector News

[south block]

Tata build ek number car truck military vehicles. Multi billion $ profitable IP industry meanwhile.
Government owned ambassador got discounted.and in 2k 19 that car was costing whooping 5-7 lakhs in that amount you can get a modern swift.
Most of the government companies are in loss they don't care about profits HAL workers doing dharna they know tax payer money is there to spend on there bankrupt companies.

Double post......30 character rule ka PKMB

 

[south block]

Tata build ek number car truck military vehicles. Multi billion $ profitable IP industry meanwhile.
Government owned ambassador got discounted.and in 2k 19 that car was costing whooping 5-7 lakhs in that amount you can get a modern swift.
Most of the government companies are in loss they don't care about profits HAL workers doing dharna they know tax payer money is there to spend on there bankrupt companies.

Tata didn't even build toilet paper on their own. your Pvt sector can't even build a sewing machine on their own without taking help from govt research institutions or from abroad, how many patent or industrial design Tata has filed in India, all research in India from missile to space is due to govt institutions not your stock manipulating Cheetos seller Pvt sector.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Tata didn't even build toilet paper on their own. your Pvt sector can't even build a sewing machine on their own without taking help from govt research institutions or from abroad, how many patent or industrial design Tata has filed in India, all research in India from missile to space is due to govt institutions not your stock manipulating Cheetos seller Pvt sector.

Why TATA will develop anything for government for free why they would want to develop jet engine? From there own funds and after spending billions there engine gets rejected by the IAF? So why they will take risks if government is willing to fund there R&D they can develop more and more things.

 

[ezsasa]

Tata build ek number car truck military vehicles. Multi billion $ profitable IP industry meanwhile.
Government owned ambassador got discounted.and in 2k 19 that car was costing whooping 5-7 lakhs in that amount you can get a modern swift.
Most of the government companies are in loss they don't care about profits HAL workers doing dharna they know tax payer money is there to spend on there bankrupt companies.

The typical western philosophy of Pvt sector is the best, does not work in India(for now). Western philosophy works on the premise that majority of their citizens are above certain wage scale where they have to bother about “quality of life” not life itself.

As a counter argument no expert who says private sector is good is not able to answer why it was BSNL who repaired their mobile towers first and not airtel after cyclone hudhud. And why it was air India who evacuated people from sanaa(Yemen) and not a private carrier.

As of today unless the proponents of privatisation do not answer these questions, they are being facetious.

Fundamentally my personal observation has been that the proponents of privatisation are the same set of people who want higher CAD, which means they want growth based on debt. Guess who gives out loans to govts and very large corporate loans, foreign banks. Case in point , Surjit Bhalla recently appointed as IMF director.

 

[south block]

Why TATA will develop anything for government for free why they would want to develop jet engine? From there own funds and after spending billions there engine gets rejected by the IAF? So why they will take risks if government is willing to fund there R&D they can develop more and more things.

You are trying to find excuses why would Indian military reject so called earth shattering Pvt sector tech, if the product is good military will accept it if not it will be rejected & public money is for public institutions not for rich daddy little maggots sitting abroad wanting to make quick bucks.

 

[south block]

The typical western philosophy of Pvt sector is the best, does not work in India(for now). Western philosophy works on the premise that majority of their citizens are above certain wage scale where they have to bother about “quality of life” not life itself.

As a counter argument no expert who says private sector is good is not able to answer why it was BSNL who repaired their mobile towers first and not airtel after cyclone hudhud. And why it was air India who evacuated people from sanaa(Yemen) and not a private carrier.

As of today unless the proponents of privatisation do not answer these questions, they are being facetious.

Fundamentally my personal observation has been that the proponents of privatisation are the same set of people who want higher CAD, which means they want development based on loans. Guess who gives out loans to govts and very large corporate loans, foreign banks.

Even in US most research is done by public institutions & even in Pvt sector most of the research is done using public money not from their own pocket.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

You are trying to find excuses why would Indian military reject so called earth shattering Pvt sector tech, if the product is good military will accept it if not it will be rejected & public money is for public institutions not for rich daddy little maggots sitting abroad wanting to make quick bucks.

Ask this to BABA kalyani.
What happened to tata kestrel?
Kalyani Strategic Systems Ltd (KSSL) has displayed it indigenously developed Ultra Light Long Range 155mm 39 caliber towed Howitzer gun for the first time at the ongoing DefeExpo 2018. Officials at Kalyani Strategic Stall also confirmed that they have developed three variants of 155mm 39 caliber gun based on Soft recoil technology. The first variant developed is 155/39 ULH developed with Titanium and Aluminium based alloys weighting less than 4800kgs. This was rejected to buy ultra expensive M777

If IAF can play covertly to kill indigenous jet tejas in 2k17 created by government company HAL. Then they can kill anything.

 

[ezsasa]

Ask this to BABA kalyani.
What happened to tata kestrel?
Kalyani Strategic Systems Ltd (KSSL) has displayed it indigenously developed Ultra Light Long Range 155mm 39 caliber towed Howitzer gun for the first time at the ongoing DefeExpo 2018. Officials at Kalyani Strategic Stall also confirmed that they have developed three variants of 155mm 39 caliber gun based on Soft recoil technology. The first variant developed is 155/39 ULH developed with Titanium and Aluminium based alloys weighting less than 4800kgs. This was rejected to buy ultra expensive M777

If IAF can play covertly to kill indigenous jet tejas in 2k17 created by government company HAL. Then they can kill anything.

Baba kalyani is a different animal, he is a metallurgy genius and a risk taker.

Our Other Lala companies are neither subject matter experts on anything not risk takers.

India needs more Baba kalyanis, not more baniyas. Then the question of need for privatisation does not even arise.

 

[ezsasa]

Ask this to BABA kalyani.
What happened to tata kestrel?
Kalyani Strategic Systems Ltd (KSSL) has displayed it indigenously developed Ultra Light Long Range 155mm 39 caliber towed Howitzer gun for the first time at the ongoing DefeExpo 2018. Officials at Kalyani Strategic Stall also confirmed that they have developed three variants of 155mm 39 caliber gun based on Soft recoil technology. The first variant developed is 155/39 ULH developed with Titanium and Aluminium based alloys weighting less than 4800kgs. This was rejected to buy ultra expensive M777

If IAF can play covertly to kill indigenous jet tejas in 2k17 created by government company HAL. Then they can kill anything.

Baba kalyani is a different animal, he is a metallurgy genius and a risk taker.

Our Other Lala companies are neither subject matter experts on anything nor risk takers.

India needs more Baba kalyanis, not more baniyas. Then the question of need for privatisation does not even arise.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Baba kalyani is a different animal, he is a metallurgy genius and a risk taker.

Our Other Lala companies are neither subject matter experts on anything nor risk takers.

India needs more Baba kalyanis, not more baniyas. Then the question of need for privatisation does not even arise.

Yups correct. Baba kalyani is bhishma pitamah of indian defence industry.
Another company which i respect is TATA. Tata is one of the most trusted group of india government should push them in defence sector cause these are trusted companies of india.

 

[south block]

Ask this to BABA kalyani.
What happened to tata kestrel?
Kalyani Strategic Systems Ltd (KSSL) has displayed it indigenously developed Ultra Light Long Range 155mm 39 caliber towed Howitzer gun for the first time at the ongoing DefeExpo 2018. Officials at Kalyani Strategic Stall also confirmed that they have developed three variants of 155mm 39 caliber gun based on Soft recoil technology. The first variant developed is 155/39 ULH developed with Titanium and Aluminium based alloys weighting less than 4800kgs. This was rejected to buy ultra expensive M777

If IAF can play covertly to kill indigenous jet tejas in 2k17 created by government company HAL. Then they can kill anything.

Kalyani is already getting order on many different defence products & HAL products are not being rejected by IAF, they need to meet IAF requirements first in order to get order & they will meet them & for TATA it's a screw driving US proxy in India nothing else.

 

[power_monger]

Bharat forge has taken soft recoil technology from mandus group , US. Even the atags is designed by drdo and manufactured to specification of Bharat forge. And it's Bharat 52-45 all are borrowed designs as much as Bofors gun.

Bharat forge has not been sucressfull in developing 1 kn engine forget something like 90kn. Tata previous designs were scredrivergiri of denel designs.

So private sector is no jhaadu ki jhadi. But all being said , they can be compliment DRDO well in bringing quality manufacturing. But nothing more than that. Don't bash PSU just because you have been told all these years. Go with merit of each organisation. If Tata had developed Astra missile they would have charge 1 billion dollars. Public sector research works in limited financial constraints and have still done well. Let's drop this private sector can do magic argument until it proves so.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Bharat forge has taken soft recoil technology from mandus group , US. Even the atags is designed by drdo and manufactured to specification of Bharat forge. And it's Bharat 52-45 all are borrowed designs as much as Bofors gun.

Bharat forge has not been sucressfull in developing 1 kn engine forget something like 90kn. Tata previous designs were scredrivergiri of denel designs.

So private sector is no jhaadu ki jhadi. But all being said , they can be compliment DRDO well in bringing quality manufacturing. But nothing more than that. Don't bash PSU just because you have been told all these years. Go with merit of each organisation. If Tata had developed Astra missile they would have charge 1 billion dollars. Public sector research works in limited financial constraints and have still done well. Let's drop this private sector can do magic argument until it proves so.

Meanwhile OFB board have created great revolutionary guns and tanks. In cheap cost.

Why TATA or bharat forge will build jet engine when government never funded them and pre BJP era they were not even allowed to develop anything. Government needs to fund and assure that they will use there products just like In US and UK france when they start R&D they end up in using there own systems. TATA or xyz private company if government funded them can get engineers working from all over the globe just like Chinese hired ex soviet scientists for faster engine development. Private companies always do better in forgein sales and stuff. But for now because of being denied from defence industry for years no one have experience in this stuff even the capabilities of HAL have been created after extreme investments by government side. They had experience in manufacturing AL-31 for years other MIG series engines. So any capability generated By a psu is also learned from foreign players and extensive fundings and years of experience.
Lamo HAL is king of screw driving force. I bet they like more orders of su-30 rather than tejas because they love screw driving.
If given chance and funding tata Mahindra can create much much better vehicles tanks for army. For example TATA kestrel

L&T created Hull of Nuclear sub.

ATAGS is good and government knows manufacturing capabilities of private sector they are faster more efficient. That's why they are bringing them into Defence industry. HAL is also lacking management issue. HAL will also shine just as a integrator rather than manufacturer.HAL Is having overwork load need to be reduced for much better gains.

 

[maniacguy]

For the private sector to thrive this country needs to be in a constant state of war.
Will the opposite parties allow such a foreign policy?
Every one knows they will sell this country to the highest bidder.
Will the current govt take such a drastic measure to make this country a Hindurashtra so that we can face the world and show middle finger to them.This needs to be seen.

 

[ezsasa]

For the private sector to thrive this country needs to be in a constant state of war.
Will the opposite parties allow such a foreign policy?
Every one knows they will sell this country to the highest bidder.
Will the current govt take such a drastic measure to make this country a Hindurashtra so that we can face the world and show middle finger to them.This needs to be seen.

Not gonna happen, our foreign policy is designed that way.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

The Mountain EW system “would be designed and developed by DRDO and manufactured by design-cum-production partner from the Indian (private) industry,” announced the MoD. This denial of a design and development role to the private industry comes even as a private firm, Tata Power (Strategic Engineering Division, or SED), is building two far more complex integrated Mountain EW systems, a global tender it won in 2013 for Rs 926 crore. An amended order was placed in July, which is on track to be delivered in 24 months. Meanwhile, a public sector partnership between DRDO and Bharat Electronics is floundering in developing two similar systems, for which they were ‘nominated’ by the MoD at twice the price bid by Tata Power (SED).


Invoking Tata Power (SED)’s strong, two-
Decade-old track record in developing EW systems, Ficci wrote: “Private sector companies were involved in developing the critical command and control software and platform engineering for the integrated EW system Samyukta (in the 1990s). This was even acknowledged by Dr A P J Abdul Kalam, then DRDO chief”. The MoD cites ‘security concerns’ to place orders for EW systems with the DRDO/DPSUs. This has been strongly protested by the private sector, which cites its own stringent security protocols. “Any security concerns raised to justify DPSU/PSU nomination be discouraged as all ‘A category’ licensed private Indian vendors are covered under the same security guidelines issued by the MoD, as are DPSUs,” wrote Ficci. Business Standard has reviewed Ficci’s letter to the defence minister.

 

[Haldiram]

For the private sector to thrive this country needs to be in a constant state of war.
Will the opposite parties allow such a foreign policy?
Every one knows they will sell this country to the highest bidder.
Will the current govt take such a drastic measure to make this country a Hindurashtra so that we can face the world and show middle finger to them.This needs to be seen.

Russia has been selling us weapons for 2 decades without being in a constant state of war except the post-2015 squabble with the US. Ukraine has been selling us Tatra trucks and Anotov planes, and they weren't at war either. Jaruri thodi na hai khud use karna hai. Bana bana ke dusro ko becho.

There is a big target market of second rate powers and poor African nations who need things like trucks, tractors, and other industrial equipment who can't afford American and German tractors. India can fill that gap. Take a look at how many trucks Mahindra sells in foreign countries. 50% of their tractor sales are from foreign exports.


But this is a PSU related thread so let us talk about all the billions of trucks our PSU companies have sold all over the world and earned the nation trillions in forex.. I heard on Whatsapp that DRDO is selling 25 trillion tractors, Europe, Australia, Mars, everywhere. Apne tax ke paise se PSU companies desh ko itna profit kama ke de rahe hai ki pata nahi chal raha paise kidhar rakhe. Haven't heard of a single PSU company having NPA in my Whatsapp textbook. BSNL ne chaand pe 5G tower bhi laga diya.

 

[south block]

Russia has been selling us weapons for 2 decades without being in a constant state of war except the post-2015 squabble with the US. Ukraine has been selling us Tatra trucks and Anotov planes, and they weren't at war either. Jaruri thodi na hai khud use karna hai. Bana bana ke dusro ko becho.

There is a big target market of second rate powers and poor African nations who need things like trucks, tractors, and other industrial equipment who can't afford American and German tractors. India can fill that gap. Take a look at how many trucks Mahindra sells in foreign countries. 50% of their tractor sales are from foreign exports.


But this is a PSU related thread so let us talk about all the billions of trucks our PSU companies have sold all over the world and earned the nation trillions in forex.. I heard on Whatsapp that DRDO is selling 25 trillion tractors, Europe, Australia, Mars, everywhere. Apne tax ke paise se PSU companies desh ko itna profit kama ke de rahe hai ki pata nahi chal raha paise kidhar rakhe. Haven't heard of a single PSU company having NPA in my Whatsapp textbook. BSNL ne chaand pe 5G tower bhi laga diya.

very funny now building cheaper tractors is cutting edge science which now will be applied in armoured application lol..or maybe we should all learn from mighty Pvt sector how to screw drive & pass off foreign assembled maal as earth shattering tech.

 

[porky_kicker]

Model of a 4 tube launcher , albeit for missiles and what i can infer for naval assets. It seems to be heavily inspired from the Uran launchers.

Possibly for NASM-SR/MR , as usual not sure.

 

[porky_kicker]

Model of an unknown missile , not sure if it is a surface to surface missile or a surface to air missile.

Launcher is 6 celled.

I am guessing surface to air missile due to the presence of long chord wings ( which is used to implement high maneuverability ) and immediately followed by folding short fins as control surfaces for additional maneuverability / controllability , interestingly a large section of the immediate rear section is bare of any control surfaces. Quite intriguing design.

Also I don't think it is the AD series interceptors due to the obvious aerodynamic design configuration. Hence the only possible option remaining IMO is the XRSAM. As usual not sure.