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Hmmm, for the army and navy but not airforce?

And I’m really liking what I’m seeing, increasingly DRDO is ahead of the game and working towards future requirements that few (if any) people have. Hope services get out of their backwards thinking and actually start working with DRDO for their futire needs at conceptualisation stage.
Seems like most tactical ground targets will become the responsibility of army (while air force concentrating on more strategic targets).

That list put out my MoD is not necessarily what DRDO is working on, but an open list for all domestic vendors that these are the things that Services will be interested in in the next 10 years....see if you can come up with appropriate solutions. That said...DRDO being the premier defense lab, it's highly likely they're working on several of those (if not all)....
 

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No doubt the plates are world class but I wish they would come up with a better plate carrier design. This one is SO freaking outdated and unergonomic it looks like it was designed in the 1960s.

It seems 100s of thousands of these are going to be issued around India and that’s a bit of a tragedy, protection is great but they are woefully outdated looking.
They are of good quality. Army is not fashion model to have good looks. As long as it works well, it is good
 
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The NIJ Level-III+ version of the Bhabha Kavach BPJ developed by BARC, Trombay & set to be produced by Ordnance Equipment Factory, Kanpur has reportedly got an overwhelming reception from both the Army & the Central Armed Police Forces. Large orders likely.


The NIJ Level III+ Bhabha Kavach's armour is made of boron-carbide backed with CNT-polymer composite.
BARC says that this version affords protection against SLR, INSAS, AK-47 hard-steel core bullet rounds, with 'trauma less than 15mm', while weighing around 6.5 kg.

Is there some good technical/operational analysis on the differences between Bhabha Kavach (ordered by CAPF) and DRDO BPJ (ordered by Army)???

I know that Bhabha Kavach uses "Carbon Nano fibers" & Boron Carbide plate (are the two separate or one impregnated in each other?

Bhabha kavach seems lighter! What was the reason why Army didn't opt for it?? Is it an issue with stopping repeat impact?
 

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The second pic too is of Astra development model.
Totally doubt that.
Development model of a purported supersonic radar-homing AAM would be pointy and not flat (as seen in the pic).
Do read the description of MRPKS in document attached earlier....the rocket/missile description fits it to a tee.
 

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I speculated on that too previously .

But without concrete information , one got to keep all options open
Bdw only qrsam...akash mk2.....And xrsam are the sams in development...
Already we have seen qrsam Tel....xrsam in design stage ..so only option is akash mk2
 

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Anyways it seems India has developed and possibly deployed underwater non acoustic based sensor arrays. Under water acoustic sea based sensor arrays are prone to false alarms and low discrimination. But the non acoustic sensors are more reliable and capable .

The sensor can also detect changes in the composition of sea water to detect the presence of very stealthy submarines, close or at distance to it.

I had the pic of the sensor but I deleted it since I felt it was sensitive info.

Also pics of 3 different types of special purpose carriers which I deleted

One was really interesting , only one side of the vehicle was visible but it was bigger that TCT5 and had all metal body cover , and almost twice the width in my opinion.
 
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Bdw only qrsam...akash mk2.....And xrsam are the sams in development...
Already we have seen qrsam Tel....xrsam in design stage ..so only option is akash mk2
Xrsam tel ?
You have see the pic , please post it

Do you know there is a new 20+ km range missile under advance stages of development, think it is a SSM most probably a long range atgm like the spike-nlos. the launcher could be for that also , who knows.


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As you see it has provision for horizontal reloading
 
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OFB ready with new tank shell before Army changes target


Nagpur: The Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) has come up with an enhanced version of Russian T-90 tank ammunition even before the Army changes its mind saying it wants a better product that the factories are supplying now.

The OFB has already got orders from the Army to supply 125mm fin-stabilized armour-piercing discarding stabot (FSAPDS) shells. The current version has a capacity to pierce into steel plates of 460mm thickness that are put on the enemy tanks. Sensing that the Army may soon demand a higher penetration, the OFB has a developed an ammunition that can rip into steel of over 500mm thickness. This comes at a time when the government is considering a case to corporatize the OFB with view to make it more competitive.

The OFB has recently finished supplying over 10,000 tank shells with 460mm piercing capacity. In a bid to continue getting indents, it has now come up with shells having piercing capacity of much beyond 500mm, said sources. Internal trials have been completed over a month ago and the product would be put up before the Army for its final appraisal. The production process takes place in ordnance factories across Vidarbha too.

Even though T-90 tanks have been purchased much earlier, the OFB got the transfer of technology (ToT) for making 125mm FSAPDS shells in 2015-16 from the Russian original equipment maker (OEM).
In line with the original requirement of 460mm capacity, the OFB has supplied over 10,000 shells made out of semi-knocked down material received from Russia. It is gearing up to make a similar number of shells out of completely knocked down (CKD) material. In the meantime, the Army also purchased over 90,000 shells, also of 460mm capacity, directly from Russia.

Sources said even as there has been no official communication from the Army, it has been known through some of the communication and including minutes that the Army may soon change the requirement, said highly placed sources. As the Army has invited request for proposal (RFP), from a whole gamut of ammunition the 125mm FSAPDS rounds were dropped as the piercing capacity was changed to over 500mm from 460mm, said a source.

“If the Army now wants to change the standards, why should it have placed an order for 460mm at all? The Army has also purchased a sizeable quantity from Russian manufacturers,” said a source.

Both T-90 and T-72 tanks, also purchased from Russia, use same ammunition. Even as the FSAPDS shell is also used in the T-72 tanks, the design made by the DRDO could not make its way into the Army. The production of the DRDO-designed shells was stopped nearly a decade ago following an accident, said a source.
(in a nutshell)
These are 125mm FSAPDS shells
Production of DRDO-designed shells was stopped after an accident 10 years ago
OFB got ToT from Russia in 2015-16

It has begun supplying shells of 460mm piercing capacity
Army should have decided on yardstick before placing orders

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-army-changes-target/articleshow/70538456.cms
 

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OFB ready with new tank shell before Army changes target


Nagpur: The Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) has come up with an enhanced version of Russian T-90 tank ammunition even before the Army changes its mind saying it wants a better product that the factories are supplying now.

The OFB has already got orders from the Army to supply 125mm fin-stabilized armour-piercing discarding stabot (FSAPDS) shells. The current version has a capacity to pierce into steel plates of 460mm thickness that are put on the enemy tanks. Sensing that the Army may soon demand a higher penetration, the OFB has a developed an ammunition that can rip into steel of over 500mm thickness. This comes at a time when the government is considering a case to corporatize the OFB with view to make it more competitive.

The OFB has recently finished supplying over 10,000 tank shells with 460mm piercing capacity. In a bid to continue getting indents, it has now come up with shells having piercing capacity of much beyond 500mm, said sources. Internal trials have been completed over a month ago and the product would be put up before the Army for its final appraisal. The production process takes place in ordnance factories across Vidarbha too.

Even though T-90 tanks have been purchased much earlier, the OFB got the transfer of technology (ToT) for making 125mm FSAPDS shells in 2015-16 from the Russian original equipment maker (OEM).
In line with the original requirement of 460mm capacity, the OFB has supplied over 10,000 shells made out of semi-knocked down material received from Russia. It is gearing up to make a similar number of shells out of completely knocked down (CKD) material. In the meantime, the Army also purchased over 90,000 shells, also of 460mm capacity, directly from Russia.

Sources said even as there has been no official communication from the Army, it has been known through some of the communication and including minutes that the Army may soon change the requirement, said highly placed sources. As the Army has invited request for proposal (RFP), from a whole gamut of ammunition the 125mm FSAPDS rounds were dropped as the piercing capacity was changed to over 500mm from 460mm, said a source.

“If the Army now wants to change the standards, why should it have placed an order for 460mm at all? The Army has also purchased a sizeable quantity from Russian manufacturers,” said a source.

Both T-90 and T-72 tanks, also purchased from Russia, use same ammunition. Even as the FSAPDS shell is also used in the T-72 tanks, the design made by the DRDO could not make its way into the Army. The production of the DRDO-designed shells was stopped nearly a decade ago following an accident, said a source.
(in a nutshell)
These are 125mm FSAPDS shells
Production of DRDO-designed shells was stopped after an accident 10 years ago
OFB got ToT from Russia in 2015-16

It has begun supplying shells of 460mm piercing capacity
Army should have decided on yardstick before placing orders

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-army-changes-target/articleshow/70538456.cms
A disgustingly lying hit piece sponsored by OFB..

the APFSDS program in India began in 1976, for the 105mm gun on the Vijayantas, Centurion Mk10s and the T55A (which were upgraded with these guns).

Later, with the coming of T72s, DRDO developed AMK340 series of indigenous APFSDS 125mm ammo, with a soft core penetrator..
IN testing, the ammo performed satisfactorily and orders were placed at HAPP, Chennai for the same.
in the 90s, a T72 barrel blew up and killed the driver, and critically injured the gunner and commander.
BoI found out that OFB was mating foreign-made penetrator to desi charges and fucking up the process. FULL 20% of all ammo (some 140,000) were found dangerous. SCRAPPED immediately.

Op Parakram happened at this time, and IA tanks ended up facing T80Us. Guess who we turned to for exigencial purchase of ammo?

Israel, of course.

The AMK340A thus procured were of excellent quality and IA recommended to the govt that ToT be done for OFB to make the same in India.

Things become farcical here on.. HAPP has a manufacturing capacity of 65,000 rounds/annum.

Israeli direct imports were good, OFB made same ammo - failed. Badly. 45%-50% of all ammo were rejected by DGQA. Whats more production was capped by 30% of available capacity, since it could never be stabilised. In the meanwhile, the production of DRDO ammo was stopped.

in 2005, antony the mahatma blacklisted IMI over alleged misdemeanor in the ToT deal. Result: for the years 2005-2010 NO AMMO were made AT ALL.

And then in 2012, with Vk Singh dropping the bomb letter (APFSDS ammo stocks were low to one shell per tank ) GoI went for immediate purchase of 3BM42 Mango shells (horrible shells for the present day - just 440mm pen)
and guess what? Russkies charged us 3x-4x the price for this garbage. We had it coming.
 

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A disgustingly lying hit piece sponsored by OFB..

the APFSDS program in India began in 1976, for the 105mm gun on the Vijayantas, Centurion Mk10s and the T55A (which were upgraded with these guns).

Later, with the coming of T72s, DRDO developed AMK340 series of indigenous APFSDS 125mm ammo, with a soft core penetrator..
IN testing, the ammo performed satisfactorily and orders were placed at HAPP, Chennai for the same.
in the 90s, a T72 barrel blew up and killed the driver, and critically injured the gunner and commander.
BoI found out that OFB was mating foreign-made penetrator to desi charges and fucking up the process. FULL 20% of all ammo (some 140,000) were found dangerous. SCRAPPED immediately.

Op Parakram happened at this time, and IA tanks ended up facing T80Us. Guess who we turned to for exigencial purchase of ammo?

Israel, of course.

The AMK340A thus procured were of excellent quality and IA recommended to the govt that ToT be done for OFB to make the same in India.

Things become farcical here on.. HAPP has a manufacturing capacity of 65,000 rounds/annum.

Israeli direct imports were good, OFB made same ammo - failed. Badly. 45%-50% of all ammo were rejected by DGQA. Whats more production was capped by 30% of available capacity, since it could never be stabilised. In the meanwhile, the production of DRDO ammo was stopped.

in 2005, antony the mahatma blacklisted IMI over alleged misdemeanor in the ToT deal. Result: for the years 2005-2010 NO AMMO were made AT ALL.

And then in 2012, with Vk Singh dropping the bomb letter (APFSDS ammo stocks were low to one shell per tank ) GoI went for immediate purchase of 3BM42 Mango shells (horrible shells for the present day - just 440mm pen)
and guess what? Russkies charged us 3x-4x the price for this garbage. We had it coming.
Good old OFB.You can expect them to fuckk up anything and everything they put their hands on, no matter how capable the original design may be.Too bad the poor folks at DRDO often gets a bad rep because of the mofos infesting the shitholes we have come to known as OFB.
 

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First pic of #SANT ( standoff anti tank ) missile being fired off #Mi35 helicopter during tests.

Range 15-20 km #MMW seeker for all weather operations Can be fired off multi platforms like helicopter / UAVs / fixed wing aircrafts


Bechare Al-Khalid ko pata bhi nahi lagega kisne mara. Fire from 20 km and enemy tank is a chunk of garbage.
 

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