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[Satish Sharma]

NIA and CBI need to run regular sting operations with their own angel priya accounts to catch these unkils in the act.

This has already began.

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

Still a rocket is always cheaper than a missile especially cruise missile. Pakistan have build 400km rockets for that purpose only.
Any cruise supposedly of 400km will costs shitloads of money compared to rockets..
It is said Prahar was abandoned coz of similar range compared to newer pinnaka. But still it would have been a very strong punch like it carry 250kg warhead for 150km range. That's damn impressive pinnaka carries around 100kg wh.
There were variants of 170km & 200km pragati & pranash.. they could be in service possibly.
and even the maheshwaraastra 1 have same ranges so we can even say they were scrapped for mahestra 1. Mahtra 2 makes sense as it is having 290km of range.

so warhead and range is by far a component of caliber you can only increase the range and warhead only to a certain extent with the same caliber
pinaka-214mm (80-90km range , 100kg warhead)
smerch-300mm (90-120km range , 253kg warhead) but the problem is smerch is still quiet unreliable in terms of accuracy
also by defination a missile is just a guided rocket
let say caliber (diameter) is 220 mm with 5 m length (pinaka) the volume of missile = 3m^3 volume
while a 300mm with 7 m length volume = 8m^3
see how pinaka has similar range but the volume is close to one third to that of smerch thus the warhead decreases sharply with the decrease in caliber

lets compare it to the fateh 2
caliber= 400mm (minimum imo) and length =7m (5m of the missile) volume= 14m^3 thats nearly twice of smerch carrying nearly same warhead too but at a lower trajectory so we can clearly say its a missile in name of rocket now put brahmos in an inlined launcher and call it a rocket vollah we have a pinaka mk10 with 800km range hehe .

either ways what i wanna tell is at very big ranges there is little difference between rocket and ballistic missile so having prahaar and pinaka with 200km range is okish at best cause pinaka would be dealing as much damage as prahaar given the accuracy is similar

plus with pralay we can have 500kg warhead at 500km range and 1000kg warhead at 150-200km range which would cover our needs much better
working on improving the accuracy of pinaka 200-300km varient would eventually make the need of prahaar negligible (imo)

 

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[NoobWannaLearn]

Hmm intresting meta quest 2 with Indian Army

 

[patriots]

 

[Satish Sharma]

lets compare it to the fateh 2
caliber= 400mm (minimum imo) and length =7m (5m of the missile) volume= 14m^3 thats nearly twice of smerch carrying nearly same warhead too but at a lower trajectory so we can clearly say its a missile in name of rocket now put brahmos in an inlined launcher and call it a rocket vollah we have a pinaka mk10 with 800km range hehe .

I don't know what parameter this is,
But long range rockets are way cheaper than a guided B. missile or cruise M.

either ways what i wanna tell is at very big ranges there is little difference between rocket and ballistic missile

All artillery rockets follow ballistic pathway. To hit a target at close ranges they're fired in a way they won't gain much of altitude but it will be ballistic... Ballistic missiles have complex electronic, avionics like gps , ins...
Artillery rockets are essentially unguided projectiles. Once launched, their trajectory is fixed based on the launch angle and propellant burn.. they're fire angle decides how long it will travel. They are fired in large numbers to saturate an area with explosives, similar to traditional artillery shells...
Now put a ins & gps on them you have a guided pinnaka which was a rocket..
There is difference when it comes to costs this rockets are damn cheap and can be made more lethal,accurate with ins & gps. Still they will cost less because they are put on a mass produced platform which is already cheap. .
A missile like pralay doesn't depend on launch angle to hit target but rather it hosts its own avionics and electronics to guide itself at targets at long ranges with pin point accuracy..
This is never the case with conventional rockets..

working on improving the accuracy of pinaka 200-300km varient would eventually make the need of prahaar negligible (imo)

I will rather say put ins + gps on prahar here you have a very lethal missile with shitloads of explosives... Pinnaka's are fired in large numbers to flatnned the area. whereas prahas can be used to destroy storage facilities. Because each pinnaka will carry less warhead compared 250kg and can not be used against hardened shelters effectively which are used to store enemy supplies..[/QUOTE]

 

[Samej Jangir]

What did we export?

Many things we can .....Russian jets spare parts ,t90 ,t72 tank spare parts , artillery shella , ammunition s , rockets

Who knows we might be exported isarels also....as usa is denying weapons to isarel for now for rafah operation

I am having a feeling that the export to Armenia is indirectly funded by Russia due to its inability to directly supply Armenia fearing Turkey's retaliation. Turkey opening Bosphorous is important for Russian trade and hence it is unwilling to openly supply Armenia or even offer any verbal support openly. But it knows that over long time, Turkey is an enemy and Armenia is a friend. So, it is finding 3rd parties like India to supply arms. Azerbaijan is being supplied by USA/UK, Israel, Turkey and they have an agenda of carving out Armenia for a gas and oil pipeline to EU

 

[patriots]

 

[Samej Jangir]

Still a rocket is always cheaper than a missile especially cruise missile. Pakistan have build 400km rockets for that purpose only.
Any cruise supposedly of 400km will costs shitloads of money compared to rockets..
It is said Prahar was abandoned coz of similar range compared to newer pinnaka. But still it would have been a very strong punch like it carry 250kg warhead for 150km range. That's damn impressive pinnaka carries around 100kg wh.
There were variants of 170km & 200km pragati & pranash.. they could be in service possibly.
and even the maheshwaraastra 1 have same ranges so we can even say they were scrapped for mahestra 1. Mahtra 2 makes sense as it is having 290km of range.

Do you know the difference between cruise missile and solid fuel missile? For <400km, cruise missile will be expensive because of the complex engine, fuel supply, guidance & storage issues in cruise missiles. So, a <400km ballistic missile will be cheaper than cruise missile. As for rockets, it makes no sense to have 150+km rockets as they cost almost the same as ballistic missiles but have poor accuracy which means the longer the rockets go, the more deviation it will have from target. So, a rocket of 150km range will likely hit about 0.75 to 1.5km away from target which is pretty useless.

As for Pragati, it is just export (inferior) variant of prahaar, not a new missile. Pranash is a 200km variant meant for export to friendly countries.

 

[shade]

That DRDO scientist who was also a RSS pracharak and the low wage contractor from Mazgaon Docks were both Maharashtrian. Many men have similarly been arrested from Gujarat and Rajasthan as well. I won't even mention Punjab and that inspectors role in Pathankot attacks. It's not a "Hindi Belt" exclusive problem. This is a pan-india "MEN" problem. These scientists think their career and job is what they will ever amount to be. Hence when a Paki guised as a woman gives them attention for what they do, they spill over all their secrets

This is such 2rs cheap treachery, now i can understand you selling the nation if you indeed get to sink your tool into some prime Pindi Pucci in Dubai or whatever.
But just for some shitty facebook chats

 

[Zoid Raptor]

Russian firms buy $4 billion worth of India-made arms, pay in Indian rupee

Till October, Russian exporters held about $8 billion in Vostro accounts. Due to a lack of investment opportunities in India, the money held in the Vostro accounts of Russian exporters remained unspent

Representational Image/ REUTERS.
Exporters in Russia, who started trading with India using Indian rupees, have recently spent nearly $4 billion to buy India-made defence equipment and armaments, among other imports and Indian securities. This amount come from funds which were lying idle in their Vostro accounts.
Till October, Russian exporters held about $8 billion in Vostro accounts. These accounts were set up to facilitate trade between Russia and India, using Indian rupees and are managed by a domestic bank on behalf of a foreign bank.
As per a report by the Mint, due to a lack of investment opportunities in India, the money held in the Vostro accounts of Russian exporters remained unspent.

In a mere six months, they used only about 50 per cent of these funds, the report quoted two people aware of the matter, who declined to be identified.
One of them said, “It is difficult to say the exact amount in the Vostro accounts since some transactions are very complex. However, during the last 6-8 months or so, a large part of the amount has been used.”
Back in July 2023, the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) permitted 20 banks operating in the country to open 92 SRVAs of partner banks from 22 countries as part of efforts to promote bilateral trade in local currencies. Russia was one of them.

A Vostro account allows a foreign lender for transactions, including forex settlements, cross-border payments, and investments in a different market.
Russia also uses the rupee from these Vostro accounts to import goods from India.
India exports machinery, auto parts and other engineering goods to Russia.
The Russian Vostro account started witnessing a large amount of rupee deposited in as India purchased increased amounts of cheap Russian crude oil following the sanctions imposed on Moscow by the West.
For the unversed, Russia is among the largest suppliers of crude oil to India.
Russian funds (in rupees) have also been invested in Indian government treasury bills. As per regulations such funds are not allowed to be invested in corporate debt.
The report quoted a second person saying that both New Delhi and Moscow have been working on sorting the issue of the piling up of rupee payments in the Vostro account.
“Indian exports are also being settled from the Russian funds from the Vostro account," the person added.
As per recent data from India’s commerce ministry, exports to Russia in 2023 stood at $4.06 billion, while imports totaled $60.60 billion.

https://www.firstpost.com/world/rus...ccounts-to-buy-india-arms-rupee-13769478.html

 

[Satish Sharma]

Do you know the difference between cruise missile and solid fuel missile? For <400km, cruise missile will be expensive because of the complex engine, fuel supply, guidance & storage issues in cruise missiles. So, a <400km ballistic missile will be cheaper than cruise missile. As for rockets, it makes no sense to have 150+km rockets as they cost almost the same as ballistic missiles but have poor accuracy which means the longer the rockets go, the more deviation it will have from target. So, a rocket of 150km range will likely hit about 0.75 to 1.5km away from target which is pretty useless.

As for Pragati, it is just export (inferior) variant of prahaar, not a new missile. Pranash is a 200km variant meant for export to friendly countries.

I know difference between cruise missiles and ballistic missiles.. I know rockets are very inaccurate at long ranges. I did not meant that a long range rockets should be unguided it should have ins +gps. I even said equip pranash with ins + gps.
I think they have it not sure...
for rockets it does make sense to have 150+km range of they have ins+gps. You should see accuracy of Pakistan 400km rockets..

It will still be cheaper than other cruise missile. Because it won't have complex jet engine, fuel supply etc etc rather a mass produced solid fuel.. in a prolonged conflict this can be used in masses and will cost less can be used in more numbers at once..
Luckily those policy makers are not that dumb a"s like some are to not to put ins +gps on this long range rockets.. the new maheshwarastra 2 of 290km range will for sure have ins + gps...

 

[patriots]

UAV Launched Precision Guided Missile (ULPGM)
Key Features

First indigenously designed and developed in association with DRDO
Capable to destroy static and moving targets
Fully autonomous and precise
Available in four variants to meet diverse requirements

Specifications

UAV launched: Air to Surface
Weight: 5 to 8.5 kgs
Effective range: 1.5 to 4 km

 

[patriots]

Gaurav- Long Range Glide Bomb (LRGB)
Key Features

Air to Surface LRGB with conventional warheads to destroy enemy air strips, bunkers, hard installations, buildings etc.
Designed to integrate with fighter aircrafts
Inertial Navigation based guidance system with Digital Control

Specifications

Length: 4.027m, Wingspan: 3.4m, Diameter: 620mm
Weight: ≤1000Kg
Range: 80+km
Accuracy: <15m
Penetration Cum Blast (PCB) Warhead: Penetration ≥

 

[patriots]

Very Short-Range Air Defence System (VSHORADS)
Key Features

First indigenously designed and developed in association with DRDO
Man portable short range surface to air defence system
Includes miniaturized Reaction Control System and integrated avionics
Made for low- altitude aerial threats at short ranges

Specifications

Length: 2000mm ± 50 mm
Weight: 20 kgs
Range: 6.0km
Effective range: Up to 7km

 

[patriots]

Rudram-1 - New Generation Anti-Radiation Missile (NGARM)
Key Features

Air to surface missile used to incapacitate enemy air defence radars stations (Surveillance radars, tracking radars) and communication systems
Designed to integrate with fighter aircrafts
Two RF seekers (One passive homing head seeker and one MMW seeker)
Electro-Mechanical Safety Arming Mechanism with built-in safety features

Specifications
Length: 5200mm, Diameter: 315mm
Weight: 600kg
Range: 100-150km
Launch altitude: 1km to 15km
Warhead: Pre- Fragmentation (PF) type - 55kg

 

[patriots]

Naval Anti- Ship Missile (NASM)
Key Features

Fire and Forget capability, Retargeting through Data link (Man in Loop)
Lock On After Launch (LOAL) with Automatic Target Selection Capability
Sea Skimming and Lofted trajectory modes
All Weather Capability including Day/ Night
High Subsonic
Long Burn Sustainer Rocket Motor

Specifications

Length: 3600 mm (Max)
Weight: 385 ± 5 Kg
Range: 5-55 Kms (35km sea skimming)
Diameter: 300 mm
Flight Release Altitude: 91m to 3 Km

 

[Satish Sharma]

Naval Anti- Ship Missile (NASM)
Key Features

Fire and Forget capability, Retargeting through Data link (Man in Loop)
Lock On After Launch (LOAL) with Automatic Target Selection Capability
Sea Skimming and Lofted trajectory modes
All Weather Capability including Day/ Night
High Subsonic
Long Burn Sustainer Rocket Motor

Specifications

Length: 3600 mm (Max)
Weight: 385 ± 5 Kg
Range: 5-55 Kms (35km sea skimming)
Diameter: 300 mm
Flight Release Altitude: 91m to 3 KmView attachment 252470

I heard there is nasm 2/MR in development which will be harpoon class missile

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

I don't know what parameter this is,
But long range rockets are way cheaper than a guided B. missile or cruise M.

[/QUOTE]
not true for smaller range unguided rockets normally 1.5% of max range is the worst accuracy taken unguided rockets are wayyyy cheaper than missiles due to basic nature but after 60km range unguided rockets cep increases so much that its becomes unfeasible
to solve this guidance kit is added

btw i dont think you understand it the fateh 1 is essentially a guided rocket like smerch with 300mm caliber and 140km range with guidance kit but the fateh 2 is a guided ballistic missile based on cm400 tech which pak got from chinks and also a 400-600mm launch tube is essentially firing a ballistic missile like the mgm-140 atacms (610mm)

cruise missile are different category no sense in debating bout them here

There is difference when it comes to costs this rockets are damn cheap and can be made more lethal,accurate with ins & gps. Still they will cost less because they are put on a mass produced platform which is already cheap. .
A missile like pralay doesn't depend on launch angle to hit target but rather it hosts its own avionics and electronics to guide itself at targets at long ranges with pin point accuracy..
This is never the case with conventional rockets..

true but the problem is that at lengths like 300-400km the curvature and many other factors also get included which forces us to have many type of navs gps and all to get 30-40m cep while a missile can get to 5m easily so it make the user fire maybe 2 rockets when a single missile could have done the job

while at distances like 100-200km curvature and all doesnt alter that much so having a ballistic missile isnt ideal cause the guided rockets can perform the job better

I will rather say put ins + gps on prahar here you have a very lethal missile with shitloads of explosives... Pinnaka's are fired in large numbers to flatnned the area. whereas prahas can be used to destroy storage facilities. Because each pinnaka will carry less warhead compared 250kg and can not be used against hardened shelters effectively which are used to store enemy supplies..

guided rockets arnt used like that though to flatten an area they have 10-20m cep so 1 rockets usually can destroy a target with 100% accuracy
again man warhead size matters as much as accuracy maybe prahaar can be more accurate but cost effectiveness would go to pinaka only at 150-200km region and as i said 300mm rocket like smerch and upcoming pinaka would be having 250kg warhead too
also talking bout warhead the saaw also have a 80kg warhead but is made to destroy hardened hangers in which aircrafts are kept

i should compile my points as 0 to 250km = rockets (guided plus unguided)
while 300+ = guided missiles like pralay (much more payload than prahaar while being little more costly)
plus chinks refer to their guided missiles launched from the mlrs as rockets so thats a problem too

ps a pralay cost about 5cr=600k$ (dirt cheap atacms at 300km range=1.4million$)

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Russian firms buy $4 billion worth of India-made arms, pay in Indian rupee

Till October, Russian exporters held about $8 billion in Vostro accounts. Due to a lack of investment opportunities in India, the money held in the Vostro accounts of Russian exporters remained unspent

Representational Image/ REUTERS.
Exporters in Russia, who started trading with India using Indian rupees, have recently spent nearly $4 billion to buy India-made defence equipment and armaments, among other imports and Indian securities. This amount come from funds which were lying idle in their Vostro accounts.
Till October, Russian exporters held about $8 billion in Vostro accounts. These accounts were set up to facilitate trade between Russia and India, using Indian rupees and are managed by a domestic bank on behalf of a foreign bank.
As per a report by the Mint, due to a lack of investment opportunities in India, the money held in the Vostro accounts of Russian exporters remained unspent.

In a mere six months, they used only about 50 per cent of these funds, the report quoted two people aware of the matter, who declined to be identified.
One of them said, “It is difficult to say the exact amount in the Vostro accounts since some transactions are very complex. However, during the last 6-8 months or so, a large part of the amount has been used.”
Back in July 2023, the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) permitted 20 banks operating in the country to open 92 SRVAs of partner banks from 22 countries as part of efforts to promote bilateral trade in local currencies. Russia was one of them.

A Vostro account allows a foreign lender for transactions, including forex settlements, cross-border payments, and investments in a different market.
Russia also uses the rupee from these Vostro accounts to import goods from India.
India exports machinery, auto parts and other engineering goods to Russia.
The Russian Vostro account started witnessing a large amount of rupee deposited in as India purchased increased amounts of cheap Russian crude oil following the sanctions imposed on Moscow by the West.
For the unversed, Russia is among the largest suppliers of crude oil to India.
Russian funds (in rupees) have also been invested in Indian government treasury bills. As per regulations such funds are not allowed to be invested in corporate debt.
The report quoted a second person saying that both New Delhi and Moscow have been working on sorting the issue of the piling up of rupee payments in the Vostro account.
“Indian exports are also being settled from the Russian funds from the Vostro account," the person added.
As per recent data from India’s commerce ministry, exports to Russia in 2023 stood at $4.06 billion, while imports totaled $60.60 billion.

https://www.firstpost.com/world/rus...ccounts-to-buy-india-arms-rupee-13769478.html

Article says nothing about arms shipments tho, just machinery.