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[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[jai jaganath]

mil you know what to do 155mm export !!
jokes apart if joint production is there than the regular spares would be produced by us only so we can keep em running for longer duration even if usa stops some spares to us which is also aint gonna happen cause stryker would be used only in an operation against the chinese and india china war is USA's wet dream they would like it to happen asap

U can't generalize like that
We don't know what challenges we will face we don't know where will our interest differ in future
We can't take such decisions in defence particularly
We must own the entire ipr
Americans will not manufacture anything that's critical and import it directly

 

[patriots]

 

[Blood+]

2019---- AON for NASAMS-2 was given by then DM N Sitharaman.
2020---- Trump administration was pushing aggressively for IADWS to India and was in talk for ~$ 2 Bn deal during his visit.

People are losing marbles here and SM on Stryker as COAS Manoj Pandey visited Stryker facility and received a detailed briefing on Stryker M-Shorad. No one is basically interested in the fact that it was an official visit of COAS to US and he was not there to visit Stryker facility solely.

Now coming to this news of the deal, here are some similar news from past.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...le-shield-over-delhi/articleshow/69717946.cms

https://www.livemint.com/news/india...ce-weapon-system-to-india-11581361614686.html

Let's consider this to be a done deal, then lets see why it would be so.

If we consider designing an AD system based on WhAP, then from designing to actual product roll out, what would be the time frame?
Atleast 3 years.

What would be the time frame for testing and LSP induction?
Atleast 6 years.

Means, even if we give order today, we wont be seeing service induction before 6 years if everything goes on smooth. All of this, because we never thought of designing an AD system based on WhAP.

Correction - WE (as in we the misfit brigade of DFI) thought of that a long time ago. It's the Army that failed to do the same.

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

U can't generalize like that
We don't know what challenges we will face we don't know where will our interest differ in future
We can't take such decisions in defence particularly
We must own the entire ipr
Americans will not manufacture anything that's critical and import it directly

True but think normally what in a stryker which we cant manufacture, the engine is manufactured in india already the ammo 30 mm is also manufactured here only small things would be imported like turrets and optical sensors
but yeah american axe always gonna be at your neck too i think pay more for f414 but induct only whaps until stryker provide something extra

 

[Chinmoy]

Correction - WE (as in we the misfit brigade of DFI) thought of that a long time ago. It's the Army that failed to do the same.

In fact, IA had not. Its our designers and developers, who has failed to think that.

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

In fact, IA had not. Its our designers and developers, who has failed to think that.

Whats the possibility of modifying the launcher of namica to be a v shorad launcher though even then the legendary trials would need to certify every nut and bolt

 

[jai jaganath]

True but think normally what in a stryker which we cant manufacture, the engine is manufactured in india already the ammo 30 mm is also manufactured here only small things would be imported like turrets and optical sensors
but yeah american axe always gonna be at your neck too i think pay more for f414 but induct only whaps until stryker provide something extra

It's not gonna happen like that most of the part will be imported and assembled
Moreover we will never get ipr
Even with so called 80% tot ge-414 we won't get any significant tech
Yes we could learn about advanced western engines and at most efficient manufacturing and assembling tech
But the ge-414 plant is necessary for certain spares to be indigenized in future and to create an additional line for them to provide us engines consistently

 

[Aditya Ballal]

SSS maybe should go for police forces or maybe they can try for Naval Tenders for Marcos etc

 

[Truthsoldier]

Another blackpill moment. The dalals are enjoying though

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[Blood+]

In fact, IA had not. Its our designers and developers, who has failed to think that.

I'd say they both failed.

 

[Samej Jangir]

Without any press release or fanfare, PDV and AAD missile flights have been deployed in National Capital Region. Mumbai will soon get its own flights.

Prithvi Defense Vehicle or PDV forms the exo atmospheric component (80-150 km) of DRDO’s Ballistic Missile Defense Shield phase 1. Advanced Air Defense also known as Ashwin is the endo atmospheric ( upto 25 km ) of BMD. These BMD interceptors can shoot down hostile ballistic missiles with a range upto 3000+ km. This means all ballistic missiles in Pakistan’s Strategic Planning Divisions ‘s inventory ranging from 200 km Abdali, 300 km Ghaznavi to 1500 km+ Ghauri I/II/III and 1500-2500 km Shaheen I/II/III and it’s MRV’d sibling Abadeel can now be intercepted and brought down.

What does this entail ? It means that if in the event of a nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan, Islamabad were to launch a salvo of nuke tipped Ghauri III and Shaheen III at Delhi , then the Bade mia chote Mia combo of PDV and AAD missiles of our indigenous BMD shield covering National Capital Region will shoot each and every incoming Pak missiles.

So in one effective stroke, India has literally neutralised Pakistan’s nuclear deterrence against Bharat.

Now any Air defense system can of course be saturated by launching more no of missiles than it can simultaneously handle. Well, there are multiple flights of PDV and AAD dispersed across NCR and it’s surrounding areas to tackle such an eventuality. Conversely, greater the No of ballistic missiles that Pakistan has to launch at Delhi in order to ensure that even one goes through, lesser will be the No of nuclear tipped missiles available for targetting other Indian cities and military facilities in India. So no matter how you dice it, deployment of a theatre BMD system in NCR is a win win for India.

This BMD shield is supported by two Very Long Range Tracking Radar or VLRTR sites in Udaipur and to the north of Bhopal. Each of these sites houses the Israeli EL/M 2090 Terra which comprises an UHF band Ultra and a S band Spectra. The Udaipur site can cover whole of Pak, Afghanistan and almost all of Iran. The Bhopal site covers all of TAR , Xinjiang and Northern China. These two sites serve as the eyes and ears of our BMD shield and performs the functions of early warning and high fidelity tracking for missile launch. Besides there are indigenous L band Swordfish radars in and around NCR with a 1500+ m range.

India is among a handful of nations which has designed and developed its own BMD system besides US, Russia , Israel, and China. The BMD program was initiated by DRDO just after Kargil war in 1999 after Atal Bihari Vajpayee asked DRDO to come up with a system to counter Pakistan’s M-11 ballistic missiles.
Phase 2 of the program is currently under development. It has two interceptors AD-1 and AD-2 and is meant to intercept ICBM 5500 + km class of ballistic missiles/RV.

Unlike Mission Shakti, the anti sat test and the very recent Mission Divyastra wherein a MIRV’d capability of Agni 5 was demonstrated, GOI has decided to keep this monumental deployment under wraps. So there isn’t any press release or media reports on this.

These are screengrabs from a video on BDL Kanchanbagh . It shows the integration jig wherein the front and mid sections of PDV missile are laid out .The setup is covered to hide the KV of PDV. Ballistic missile defense program is a strategic program of DRDO Missile complex. Being strategic in nature, hardly any information is released officially or through defense editors of the esteemed dailies like TOI, Hindustan Times, The Statesman, The Hindu, etc.

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If India has given this news, it means BMD is already deployed in many places, not just NCR. Otherwise, India won't give any such hints either. Also, India will definitely have hundreds of radar sites giving extensive data, not just 2 sites in Bhopal & Udaipur. However, some points to be noted:
1. Israel does not have its own BMD. It uses USA's BMD system of Arrow. Israel has codeveloped it but does not own some of the key IPR
2. A BMD can only protect limited area and it needs to be placed in many places to protect cities and key installations. Also, assuming that anyone will target NCR heavily is not correct as it makes no strategic sense to waste so many missiles on 1 target.

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

If India has given this news, it means BMD is already deployed in many places, not just NCR. Otherwise, India won't give any such hints either. Also, India will definitely have hundreds of radar sites giving extensive data, not just 2 sites in Bhopal & Udaipur. However, some points to be noted:
1. Israel does not have its own BMD. It uses USA's BMD system of Arrow. Israel has codeveloped it but does not own some of the key IPR
2. A BMD can only protect limited area and it needs to be placed in many places to protect cities and key installations. Also, assuming that anyone will target NCR heavily is not correct as it makes no strategic sense to waste so many missiles on 1 target.

one is operational in bangalore too according to sat pics having 1000s is overestimation imo the swordfirsh radars are really good and long range (1000-1500km range) having 1000 isnt ideal and we have our tracking ship too
if a bmd is giving 90% interception (like ours) probability it means out of 10 only one warhead would hit and that would make launching multiple missiles (conventional+dummy+nuke) with mirv and non mirv to take out a big region like ncr while lesser would be used to destroy mumbai and pune type cities

 

[Samej Jangir]

No never sir
U should not keep your industry on the table of negotiation
Never

Who said industry is kept on the table? There are many possibilities:
1. India is trying to stall the negotiations by giving excuses/technicalities but not denying it directly
2. India is seeking something underhand/secretive deal/tech transfer which is well worth the money spent indirectly on something else
3. This is fake news

Remember that Stryker/wheeled IFV is not critical technology and is definitely not something India is having in large numbers. The wheeled IFVs can't go all terrain which is a huge disadvantage. For going on roads, India can simply use MPVs or other heavy armoured trucks which can carry 24-30 soldiers rather than just 7-8 in IFVs. Remember that during battles, one can's just go halfway and then change the car if one finds the roads to be dug up, destroyed, trees fallen down etc.

The wheeled IFVs are useful for NATO for its foreign expeditions under controlled environments with huge diplomatic support. Without the diplomatic support, the wheeled IFVs will be easy targets. This is why Russia, China don't emphasise on wheeled IFVs as they don't have any foreign expedition needs or opportunities. India follows similar doctrine as Russia & China for this reason

 

[Samej Jangir]

We got caught with our pants around our ankles effing the Ks in the West. This is the tax for forgetting about that.

Haven't the west been doing hits in India using terrorists on their soil? Should India also tax them for forgiving that?

 

[Samej Jangir]

one is operational in bangalore too according to sat pics having 1000s is overestimation imo the swordfirsh radars are really good and long range (1000-1500km range) having 1000 isnt ideal and we have our tracking ship too
if a bmd is giving 90% interception (like ours) probability it means out of 10 only one warhead would hit and that would make launching multiple missiles (conventional+dummy+nuke) with mirv and non mirv to take out a big region like ncr while lesser would be used to destroy mumbai and pune type cities

I am not saying 1000s but 100s. This is because we need as precise data as possible. S band, L band, Ka, Ku, X band are all best to have for different range detection, guidance, interception etc. Also, we need radars from different angles and directions to avoid any stealth infiltration and to know accuracy of speed, direction etc. All these types of radars need to be located across all of India, not just borders as it helps get better signatures and also detect any submarine or naval attacks. So, if we think about it, India will need hundreds of radars for this.

Secondly, BMD is only for intercepting 1st strike, not 10s of strike waves. If the first strike its reduced in its hit rate by 90%, that is a big win. There will be enough time to think where the strike came from - if it was from Pakistan or European missile flying over Pakistan, USA naval strikes used as distractions etc and then strike back as quickly as possible at the right target. There won't be any chance given for launching multiple attack waves. So, the idea that there will be less ammunition to hit other areas is not correct. BMDs will reduce the probability of strike across all the cities/installations almost equally.

 

[ezsasa]

Another blackpill moment. The dalals are enjoying though

why is it a black pill moment ?
haaretz has a political angle, they are dog whistling to their global libtard constituency, why should our folks get "black pilled" over info that is already known for years.

here's hebrew version, anti-India anti-israel news publication's big discovery is that IAI supplied a billion $ worth military equipment to India in 2023.

התעשייה האווירית ניסתה להסתיר, אבל דו"ח כספי חושף את הלקוח הגדול

הארץ

www.haaretz.co.il

 

[Master Chief]

US will do this to us as well :

Well.. How much longer do you expect Israel's rope to be.. if Israel can't achieve a result in 7 months of Aerial bombing induced ethnic cleansing, in Gaza, then when will they.. Israel, has no good End game in sight..
Remember that in 1971 Soviets used to warn us, that they would not be able to sustain western pressure for a ceasefire much longer.. But our Chad Indian Army finished the Pakis in the east in 13 days.. It's been seven months in Israel's case.. and anyway, Israel has been supplied enough by US already that they can continue their campaign in Rafah, without further aerial bomb shipments by US.. After all, Hamas is a militia not a peer adversary, and it is not an attrition war..

 

[Chinmoy]

Whats the possibility of modifying the launcher of namica to be a v shorad launcher though even then the legendary trials would need to certify every nut and bolt

It can always be done. But question is, who is going to take the initiative?

We have the issue of waiting for user to come up with specification and requirement and then run to design board. That way we would always be behind the curve as it would never be possible for any designer to meet up 100% design requirement.

So instead of waiting for demand to get created, designers and developers should create demand. This could be done by proactively getting the design ready and presenting the product to user for trials before user could come up with the requirement. Catch is always in presenting your idea to user instead of waiting for user to come up with the same idea.