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[patriots]

Drdo in brief.............................................

 

[Chinmoy]

Because of the tweet's wording...
Being based on NAG it'd have to be the same F&F tech, just downsized.
Otherwise a laser etc. guided ATGM couldn't have been based on NAG but a completely new ATGM as a whole.

If you remember, all the previous trials were just launch and flight trials. This is the first time it has been tested against a target and so the word Guided. This guidance could be on board seeker based or TAS based.

But interesting to note is the fact that we are not seeing any TAS with the missile.

 

[indiatester]

If you remember, all the previous trials were just launch and flight trials. This is the first time it has been tested against a target and so the word Guided. This guidance could be on board seeker based or TAS based.

But interesting to note is the fact that we are not seeing any TAS with the missile.

Somehow I felt that the missile's impact was behind the "target". Can you go through the video and confirm?

 

[Chinmoy]

Somehow I felt that the missile's impact was behind the "target". Can you go through the video and confirm?

The target is a cardboard cutout. Depending on the seeker the heat source could be behind the cutout where the missile hit.

 

[aarav]

MP-ATGM
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[abingdonboy]

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If imports can be kept at bay this weapon can have a terrific future.

I’m sure for light recce teams it will be adopted onto their vehicles besides the obvious MP role.


But watch how many come out now trying to kill off this effort, already today the news that US wants to pursue Javelin under DTTI, I’m sure the Russians and Israelis will be making renewed pitches soon too.


This is why I say GoI should openly Declare an end date for all all imported missiles so these vultures can be taken care of and domestic efforts protected.

Literally isn’t ant requirment that cannot be let by Indian companies today in this area given enough time, just give them faith.

Success breeds success- remember that.

 

[proud_indian]

Finally!@HALHQBLR flies glass-cockpit Dornier 228 today at Kanpur. The new hardware comes from Genesys, which also equips the @ScorpionJet and @GrobAircraft G120TP. Aircraft flown by Gp Capt G Chand (Ret), Gp Capt S Chaki (Ret), Wg Cdr MK Rai, RK Yadav.

 

[proud_indian]

What are we still using these glass-cockpit displays of foreign origin when HAL itself displaying similar kind of MFD's for their own products. What HalBIT is doing all these years?

@Enquirer @abingdonboy

 

[Enquirer]

What are we still using these glass-cockpit displays of foreign origin when HAL itself displaying similar kind of MFD's for their own products. What HalBIT is doing all these years?

@Enquirer @abingdonboy

Seems like someone didn't prioritize the project........maybe because the off-the-shelf product is cheaper than developing something ground up!

For Su-30MKI & Tejas...no custom solution existed so it makes sense to develop from ground up!

 

[Defcon 1]

If imports can be kept at bay this weapon can have a terrific future.

I’m sure for light recce teams it will be adopted onto their vehicles besides the obvious MP role.


But watch how many come out now trying to kill off this effort, already today the news that US wants to pursue Javelin under DTTI, I’m sure the Russians and Israelis will be making renewed pitches soon too.


This is why I say GoI should openly Declare an end date for all all imported missiles so these vultures can be taken care of and domestic efforts protected.

Literally isn’t ant requirment that cannot be let by Indian companies today in this area given enough time, just give them faith.

Success breeds success- remember that.

Extremely unrealistic. We don't even have running research projects for lot of missiles. Even if projects were to started tomorrow, 5-10 years will be required for development, testing, delays, production. Will indian weapons remain without missiles till 2030?

 

[proud_indian]

Seems like someone didn't prioritize the project........maybe because the off-the-shelf product is cheaper than developing something ground up!

For Su-30MKI & Tejas...no custom solution existed so it makes sense to develop from ground up!

But HAL's been producing DO-228 for decades and will continue to do so and even proposing it for civilian UDAN scheme as well. Doesn't it make sense for them to increase indigenization percentage which would help them propagate "Make in India" to GOI?

 

[Enquirer]

But HAL's been producing DO-228 for decades and will continue to do so and even proposing it for civilian UDAN scheme as well. Doesn't it make sense for them to increase indigenization percentage which would help them propagate "Make in India" to GOI?

I do not know the exact reason, I am only conjecturing!
It's a question of buying a small quantity off-the-shelf for cheap vs
developing something from ground up something that would be manufactured in very limited quantity!!

 

[abingdonboy]

What are we still using these glass-cockpit displays of foreign origin when HAL itself displaying similar kind of MFD's for their own products. What HalBIT is doing all these years?

@Enquirer @abingdonboy

It’s happening here and there.


HAL is making their own cockpit designs now and proposing them for a number of platforms.

Extremely unrealistic. We don't even have running research projects for lot of missiles. Even if projects were to started tomorrow, 5-10 years will be required for development, testing, delays, production. Will indian weapons remain without missiles till 2030?

Well this game can be played out forever can’t it? A line needs to be drawn in the sand, armed forces need to be made to go to DRDO first, there’s very little they can’t do these days. It’s bloody absurd that the armed forces keep turning to foreign companies for even basic equipment these days, if they have to go without for 3-5 years is that any different than the long winded procurement efforts of today? Not like foreign deals materialise in less than a decade in most cases.

 

[Defcon 1]

It’s happening here and there.


HAL is making their own cockpit designs now and proposing them for a number of platforms.




Well this game can be played out forever can’t it? A line needs to be drawn in the sand, armed forces need to be made to go to DRDO first, there’s very little they can’t do these days. It’s bloody absurd that the armed forces keep turning to foreign companies for even basic equipment these days, if they have to go without for 3-5 years is that any different than the long winded procurement efforts of today? Not like foreign deals materialise in less than a decade in most cases.

Dude if DRDO doesn't have an active research project for an equipment, it will have to be imported. It doesn't matter if it is basic equipment or high tech. DRDO simply doesn't have enough budget to develop the length and breadth of this country's defence requirements.

A self imposed ban cannot make DRDO start work on developing something. Instead if you want to fight for something, you should fight for increasing DRDO's budget, which every government, including the current one has failed to increase.

 

[Rahul Singh]

Declare indi self-sufficient in missile tech and then move on to other fields that need similar success.

2024 plan calls for total independence in missile segment.

And yes that also includes WVRAAM. Development of IR seeker is already on. The technology has already been realized. It is only a matter of time when the full project is launched. I guess once the development of SFDR reaches a certain stage then they will launch a CCM project.

 

[patriots]

2024 plan calls for total independence in missile segment.

And yes that also includes WVRAAM. Development of IR seeker is already on. The technology has already been realized. It is only a matter of time when the full project is launched. I guess once the development of SFDR reaches a certain stage then they will launch a CCM project.

Sfdr...will take more time.......to be a bvr...
As a lots of ground test....then flight test..
Hope drdo will complete within half of time frame of astra

 

[Jackd]

Close up photo of MPATGM's test by DRDO.....

 

[abingdonboy]

2024 plan calls for total independence in missile segment.

And yes that also includes WVRAAM. Development of IR seeker is already on. The technology has already been realized. It is only a matter of time when the full project is launched. I guess once the development of SFDR reaches a certain stage then they will launch a CCM project.

Another 5 years of this nonsense? How many 10s of billions of USD will be spent in that time on this imported maal?

Another 18 months is all that should be permitted then its game over.

 

[abingdonboy]

Dude if DRDO doesn't have an active research project for an equipment, it will have to be imported. It doesn't matter if it is basic equipment or high tech. DRDO simply doesn't have enough budget to develop the length and breadth of this country's defence requirements.

A self imposed ban cannot make DRDO start work on developing something. Instead if you want to fight for something, you should fight for increasing DRDO's budget, which every government, including the current one has failed to increase.

These days when a project is initiated with a service in mind the service will contribute to development costs from outset. So if users work with DRDO then this budget issue is non-existent

DRDO’s annual budget is not even 20% of the CAPEX of the armed forces, clearly there’s ambple scope to provide them more if the users are interested.

 

[Rahul Singh]

Another 5 years of this nonsense? How many 10s of billions of USD will be spent in that time on this imported maal?

Another 18 months is all that should be permitted then its game over.

Can't help it. For long DRDO has been criticized for biting more than it can chew. So they are taking successive approach. Also, the budget allocated to R&D is a factor.

Besides SFDR is at this point more important a project than a CCM could ever be. Simply because of the fact that a Fighter jet carries at least double the number of BVRAAM than a WVRAAM.

How I see it. DRDO will take MICA IR approach by converting Astra MK-1 into an IR guided missile by changing its KU band seeker with an IR seeker and adding TVC to present propulsion.

The technologies are under development but the entire product is not.