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[NoobWannaLearn]

could look like the kratos xq-58A valkarie
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This was posted by them so I expect it to be kinda accurate if so yes just kinda slim from the front

 

[Satish Sharma]

Found a pic of Alfa - S this has supposedly also done it's first flight but haven't found anything more on that or conclusive so take it with a grain of salt

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Indias achuk tube launched munitions by redon systems
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Achuk by redon has successfully completed its first flight way back then probably a year ago. It might be in testing it should have had completed its testing, there are No orders as of now...
There is no video or anything in public that Alfa-s has completed first flight as of now...
Hope army orders this systems soon...

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Achuk by redon has successfully completed its first flight way back then probably a year ago. It might be in testing it should have had completed its testing, there are No orders as of now...
There is no video or anything in public that Alfa-s has completed first flight as of now...
Hope army orders this systems soon...

Yes Achuk I know but Alfa s is part of CATS system too so it definately has more of my attention rn as for Army's procurement they recently released rfi for cannister launched UAV I think it was few months ago so we should be seeing them by next year in Army

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[patriots]

In case of war Kalyani defence can play a vital role
They already exported atags and mounted gun system s(155*39)
Also from the clip manu mounted system s can be seen

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[jai jaganath]

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Haven't watched the video completely Armenia and who?

 

[jai jaganath]

Haven't watched the video completely Armenia and who?

Even I haven't will watch when I will get some time
Jo bhi ho bahut dukh ke sath dekhna padega
Such a vibrant production line
0 orders from India

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Even I haven't will watch when I will get some time
Jo bhi ho bahut dukh ke sath dekhna padega
Such a vibrant production line
0 orders from India

That's sad indeed but on bright side good that they have export orders (watched the video they didn't mention exported to which country but happy it's decent number)

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Whole Boucher

 

[Satish Sharma]

Whole Boucher

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the Bharat ulh has titanium variant. That too with 2 different kind of recoil systems one weights 4.6 tons & another one weights 4.9 tons. At just 1/3rd the cost of M777... With more automation I think so

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Who woke them up?

 

[patriots]

Who woke them up?

From interview of airforce vice chief , imrh is going well..hal and saffaran had a jv for engine

 

[NutCracker]

Who woke them up?

From interview of airforce vice chief , imrh is going well..hal and saffaran had a jv for engine

Relatively easy to absorb. We might see some private players.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

From interview of airforce vice chief , imrh is going well..hal and saffaran had a jv for engine

That engine JV is different he is talking about SPV model where private player will work with hal seems like it failed like AMCA so they will most probably go ahead with HAL alone now

 

[jai jaganath]

Who woke them up?

Decision will be taken after election obviously
Thoda pehle samajh jana chahiye tha
Anyways
Hope our existing rotary wing industry will not let the project get extremely delayed

 

[vishnugupt]

Very good points. Lets discuss it point wise.

When was Mirage bought? 1980

In what numbers were they bought? 49

Why were they bought? To counter F-16s of Pakistan.

Were they perfect? No, but unlike FOC Tejas, the subcomponents were top of the line at that time.



When was Jaguar bought? 1978

Why was it bought? Because our government had this brilliant idea that instead of investing in Rolls Royce and upgrading our Maruts, it would be cheap to buy 160 Jaguars to replace Maruts instead.

Was it better then HF-Marut? Yes. Hands down it was better then Marut. Marut could have been better if it would not have faced the similar problem like Tejas.



Now coming to this horror story of GARMAR and every thing else, remember two points.
1- You can't ensure your security by being a STUPID EMOTIONAL FOOL, which majority of us are.
2- It's not the job of services to support your indigenous industry. It's the job of the concerned Ministry.

As @patriots mentioned and if I understand him correct, he is in favour of ordering FOC in mass number and then upgrade it. But during all this he might have forgot the fact that LRUs of FOC are not interchangeable. With the experience gained in operation of FOC variant, IAF came up with the upgrades which has been done in Mk1A and which has been mass ordered. Just imagine ordering 80 FOC variant and then upgrading them just after the delivery has been completed. What would have been the cost and what would have been the down time?
So which is economically and operationally more viable? To upgrade 20 jets or 80 jets?

Coming to Mirage, is it a prudent decision to upgrade them? YES. Ask any of the pilots or listen to their interview. Even after being a 50 year old platform, its still better then Mk1A. With Mk2 we would be touching or exceeding the capabilities of Mirage.

Coming to Jaguar, is it a prudent decision to upgrade them? When it was planned, it was a prudent decision. But today its not. So we are not even investing in its engine, which is the major upgrade.
Why? Because its ECONOMICALLY not viable. Same is the case with MKIs which are our front line fighters BTW.

It is not the job of IAF to allocate fund to Tejas program or other programs. Its the job of MoD to allocate them fund and support their effort. IAFs job is to provide technical inputs to make the platform potent. On other side, its the job of industry to support IAF by developing the platform as per IAFs requirement and support them. Not the other way around.

So stop being and EMOTIONAL FOOL and start thinking logically.

I hope UN Generals remember their job is to fight to win. After hearing you it's looks like they don't care.

Now apply your logic in a hypothetical Russia -NATO war. Russian Generals should reject their each and every weapons as they are inferior to their adversaries. Isn't it?? After all it's not their job to grow local industry?

Mirage is Superior against Tejas mk1a !! Really?? are eating Afeem?? What formula you have applied to reach that conclusion?? What if say Availablity and local repair and upgrade wise?

In any war logistics is very important. Don't you think this also a part of Army plan?? How you going to support spares parts, repairs, availability of machine, replacement if this not the job of UN Generals??

UN generals "10 days intense war preparation" principle is biting dust in Ukraine. So who bring such principles?? Government or Generals??

Put one thing in your head permanently before calling others FOOL. That you buy whole mechanism to win the war rather than single weapon. Buying weapon alone not going to win you war... You need everything around it so indigenisation should be UN Generals priority.

Ukraine was given your quality weapons and you know the result.

Ask UN Generals how they going to sustain a war if war goes on for 10 years?? Don't you think this is UN Generals job to prepare for such scenario.

UN Army bought 5 apache now tell me how this going to help in a war??

Problem is, you like UN Generals are obsessed to show your shining toys in exibition rather than putting them into a real fight.

 

[karn]

That engine JV is different he is talking about SPV model where private player will work with hal seems like it failed like AMCA so they will most probably go ahead with HAL alone now

Why was IMRH considered for a SPV .. Wasn't it a HAL design to begin with ?

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Why was IMRH considered for a SPV .. Wasn't it a HAL design to begin with ?

Simply Gov wants more private sector participation from Indian companies [More jobs,better timelines etc.]