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[Smoothbore125mm]

made me smile a little bit hopefully dry kavari is good to go and we may cross 80kn with afterburner fingers crossed

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

made me smile a little bit hopefully dry kavari is good to go and we may cross 80kn with afterburner fingers crossed

82Kn was the target right and dry one is supposed to go to Russia again for high altitude tests in Q2

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

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82Kn was the target right and dry one is supposed to go to Russia again for high altitude tests in Q2

yeah know it hope fully it achieves that then we can throw away that error 404 which limits the deliveries to 20

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

y

yeah know it hope fully it achieves that then we can throw away that error 404 which limits the deliveries to 20

The ground tests and certification process will take atleast 3-4 years

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

The ground tests and certification process will take atleast 3-4 years

heard they would ramp up productiont to 24 in 2-4 years so that would be perfect

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

heard they would ramp up productiont to 24 in 2-4 years so that would be perfect

Dekho kia hota he

 

[Satish Sharma]

1 yr old vdo

 

[NutCracker]

y

yeah know it hope fully it achieves that then we can throw away that error 404 which limits the deliveries to 20

The ground tests and certification process will take atleast 3-4 years

Order for current of 83 is already a done deal. Intigrating Kaveri to LCA, and getting it certified will take 5-6 years and few more years to ramp up production. it would be too late for next order of 97.

So our best bet is take 7-8 years of sweet time, get Kaveri's thrust increased upto 90kN+. which would be installed when IOC Tejas would need engine replacement.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Order for current of 83 is already a done deal. Intigrating Kaveri to LCA, and getting it certified will take 5-6 years and few more years to ramp up production. it would be too late for next order of 97.

So our best bet is take 7-8 years of sweet time, get Kaveri's thrust increased upto 90kN+. which would be installed when IOC Tejas would need engine replacement.

90 is that even possible the engine was designed to create 82-84 max ? And my excitement was more about dry kaveri so atleast Ghatak can be on time and before AMCA so we can bridge the gap between our adversaries.

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

90 is that even possible the engine was designed to create 82-84 max ? And my excitement was more about dry kaveri so atleast Ghatak can be on time and before AMCA so we can bridge the gap between our adversaries.

yeah even the 404's engine make high power due to increased pressure ratios boosting it to 90kn would be too complex

 

[Azaad]

Why do you need SPV for IMRH HALs rotatory devision is amazing and works well

Instead of an SPV for afore mentioned items , these Ben ke lottos in the GoI & especially MoD , need to pay special attention to the unwieldy nature of HAL & the fact that it's getting more unwieldy.

Break up HAL into 4 companies with cross holdings in each other apart from GoI having a controlling stake & let it have an independent management much like our Navratnas or like what Airbus has & give them Navaratna status.

Create one company purely for R&D & mfg of Fighter Aircrafts , Trainers & Bombers ( try & amalgamate ADA into HAL as the former was created out of resources from the latter to begin with ) , one for Rotary Aircraft & Drones with or without the propulsion , one after amalgamation with NAL to design & develop civilian airliners with Turboprop & Turbofans ( this makes sense as if TASL or Mahindra eventually get into R&D & mfg of civilian airliners , there still is scope for a second or third company in this sphere given the massive demand only from India in this field over the next several decades ) & finally a company dedicated only to R & D & mfg of Turbofans , Turbofans & Turboshafts .

 

[Azaad]

90 is that even possible the engine was designed to create 82-84 max ? And my excitement was more about dry kaveri so atleast Ghatak can be on time and before AMCA so we can bridge the gap between our adversaries.

Mk-1s inducted today would be due for MLU between 2036-39 after 12-15 yrs of service. We need the upgraded & certified Kaveri derivative to be ready for mass mfg then .

Btw there are also rumours doing the rounds that we may go in for local mfg of F-404 as well given the quantities required.

No clue as to the veracity of these rumours but it does make sense given we'd be flying 220 FA & trainers with them not counting the ones we export.

 

[raju1982]

made me smile a little bit hopefully dry kavari is good to go and we may cross 80kn with afterburner fingers crossed

Dont think dry kaveri is 82kn, its thrust of original kaveri with after burner. dry kaveri would be around 46-48kn.

 

[Satish Sharma]

Mk-1s inducted today would be due for MLU between 2036-39 after 12-15 yrs of service. We need the upgraded & certified Kaveri derivative to be ready for mass mfg then .

Btw there are also rumours doing the rounds that we may go in for local mfg of F-404 as well given the quantities required.

No clue as to the veracity of these rumours but it does make sense given we'd be flying 220 FA & trainers with them not counting the ones we export.

It makes sense for them to give manufacturing of f404 to india if enough quantities are assured if they are getting into midlife upgrades. well they either getting nothing if we go for kaveri for mlu. So they will be ready to give mfg... afterall mahney...

It will be expensive to build less than 220 F404 engines. I think we already have gotten many f404s...
Dr.Kalam said when you have Arjun then they give you t90..

 

[Satish Sharma]

Dont think dry kaveri is 82kn, its thrust of original kaveri with after burner. dry kaveri would be around 46-48kn.

Dry thrust is 52kn...
Gtre officials have said it kaveri can reach 81kn.

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

And then their is us 18hrs? Naa need to be 24 hrs while I import the drones who will do 15hrs

Most sold combat drones don't even have half of specifications of rustom yet our forces rejected it for not meeting their REQUIREMENTS!!!

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

It won't(as far as I know) as it's HAL and Newspaces personal program they will complete it with their own funds as for status

1- cats infinity (smaller one is flying bigger one in fabrication)

2. CATS warrior TD is in works they modified an aircraft earlier for TD and flew it

3.hunter was supposed to go into prototype by end of this year and is going through some tests in few months

4.alfas s trials by end of this year or start of next

5.omca I have no clue maybe it's already flying

6. RUAV was only announced like last month

7. Abhimanyu video was released last year announcing it no update on it from then.

Only existing drone is rustom

 

[Satish Sharma]

And my excitement was more about dry kaveri so atleast Ghatak

I think drdo ghatak feels underpowered.
15 tons is the mtow. And a 52kn dry kaveri as gtre has published.. I think instead we should go for dry variant of indo French engine of amca. Wont that be a good choice..
Initially it was said it will be 13 ton but then some updates came it's all up weight is 15 tons.

 

[Azaad]

It makes sense for them to give manufacturing of f404 to india if enough quantities are assured if they are getting into midlife upgrades. well they either getting nothing if we go for kaveri for mlu. So they will be ready to give mfg... afterall mahney...

It will be expensive to build less than 220 F404 engines. I think we already have gotten many f404s...
Dr.Kalam said when you have Arjun then they give you t90..

OTOH , we may not go in for local mfg as we've already committed to import 83 nos for the Mk-1a . We'd be setting up one line for mfg only 97 nos for additional orders . That may shoot up the price per unit considerably.

However there may be exports that will come into consideration from 2 sources , those from the exports of the Mk-1a & those that the JV exports to other users of the GE-404.

It's a convoluted issue with both pros & cons attached to it.

 

[slayingheaven]

I think drdo ghatak feels underpowered.
15 tons is the mtow. And a 52kn dry kaveri as gtre has published.. I think instead we should go for dry variant of indo French engine of amca. Wont that be a good choice..
Initially it was said it will be 13 ton but then some updates came it's all up weight is 15 tons.

That's flying wing man, the metrics are different. That thrust range is enough. A Sukhoi Okhotnik has ~0.3 thrust to weight. Similarly Ghatak has that ratio.