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[ezsasa]

You design a platform around the engine. Not the other way around.

Order for Mk1A was given on 2021. Only an idiot would think that it was signed without keeping in mind the most important component. You don't sign a deal beforehand and then rush to the engine maker to find that production of the engine has been stopped.
Prototype of DATRAN engine was fired upon in 2023. In the mean time it has undergone test in two of the prototypes.

But we have to show our intelligence in online platform every time a news in dropped without even reading into history.

noticed a jan 2022 tender for a DATRAN component, which means they were working on it before mk1a order was issued.

what is the broad timeline of DATRAN engine from concept to assembly?

DRDO Tender - Cvrde-development Of Datran Integral Axle Arm For Ahsu. - Tamil Nadu

DRDO Cvrde-development Of Datran Integral Axle Arm For Ahsu. | Closing Date : 03-01-2022 |

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[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[Chinmoy]

By the way who issue the order for jsut 118 ???

Same peanut orders been repeated by Import pasand Force across the board.

Be it Prachand, Arjun, ATGS, LCA.

Lucky enough the products are still been designed and developed and competing with foreign maals on their brochure spacs.

First of all, it is a boon when you place small order instead of one big order. It should be small repeated orders which any manufacturer or user like instead of one huge order.

All new products do start with piecemeal order to establish a smooth and stable supply chain. A bulk order looks good only in book, but in reality it increases liability on part of manufacturer.

Coming to Prachand and ATAGS. LSP has been ordered for Prachand which is undergoing usage and trials in various exercises. Prachand is flying in areas where we have not even seen Rudra operating. So forces are basically making their strategy around Prachand only after which they would know how many units would be there per squadron and how many squadrons of it would be required.
Same goes for ATAGS. 307 is no where a piecemeal order for it to begin with. Remember that we were crying about the possible 400 number of ATHOS which are basically the second trance of TGS.

As for Tejas, you think 123 is a piecemeal order for any airforce? Or do you want all 42 squadrons to be comprised of Tejas just to support indigenous product? Add the possible 97 to the 123, which brings the probable number to 220.
Arjun is a behemoth in itself. When it was proposed, it was not just the armoured brigade, but the whole engineering corp which needed to be overhauled. So from first day onwards, IA was skeptical regarding it. Even then a order for 124 was placed just to support the program. So in total, 242 is a decent number for it keeping the amount of overhaul IA has to undergo because of it.

So look at the back ground and supporting factors too before you make up your mind on anything.

 

[pankaj nema]

 

[Chinmoy]

noticed a jan 2022 tender for a DATRAN component, which means they were working on it before mk1a order was issued.

what is the broad timeline of DATRAN engine from concept to assembly?

DRDO Tender - Cvrde-development Of Datran Integral Axle Arm For Ahsu. - Tamil Nadu

DRDO Cvrde-development Of Datran Integral Axle Arm For Ahsu. | Closing Date : 03-01-2022 |

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Exactly. DTARAN was work in progress even before Mk1A deal was signed. 2023, the prototype was fired. IMO, it should complete its development trial by this year.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Exactly. DTARAN was work in progress even before Mk1A deal was signed. 2023, the prototype was fired. IMO, it should complete its development trial by this year.

This whole engine thing will now delay mk1a deliveries right?

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Stealthy hale drones got to be the best looking drones to ever exist wish we had a project

 

[Chinmoy]

Pictures from October 2023.

 

[Chinmoy]

This whole engine thing will now delay mk1a deliveries right?

Yeah. By 1 year IG.

But anyway a good development. The MTU engine would also have taken same time frame.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Yeah. By 1 year IG.

But anyway a good development. The MTU engine would also have taken same time frame.

Yea would rather have indegenious engine than German

 

[Blood+]

Because Army wants a 50 ton tank that provides the same protection as a 69 ton tank.

At this point, we will be better off importing the Armata with a redesigned autoloader than repeating the fubar that was project Arjun all over again.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

At this point, we will be better off importing the Armata with a redesigned autoloader than repeating the fubar that was project Arjun all over again.

Let CVRDE cook. The Armata is big, it stands taller and longer than an M1 Sep V3. Just buying it will throw a wrench into Army's logistics. If we wanted we could get a bustle autoloader on the T-90 with a redesigned turret, much smaller profile.

 

[Ugra Bhairav]

First of all, it is a boon when you place small order instead of one big order. It should be small repeated orders which any manufacturer or user like instead of one huge order.

All new products do start with piecemeal order to establish a smooth and stable supply chain. A bulk order looks good only in book, but in reality it increases liability on part of manufacturer.

Coming to Prachand and ATAGS. LSP has been ordered for Prachand which is undergoing usage and trials in various exercises. Prachand is flying in areas where we have not even seen Rudra operating. So forces are basically making their strategy around Prachand only after which they would know how many units would be there per squadron and how many squadrons of it would be required.
Same goes for ATAGS. 307 is no where a piecemeal order for it to begin with. Remember that we were crying about the possible 400 number of ATHOS which are basically the second trance of TGS.

As for Tejas, you think 123 is a piecemeal order for any airforce? Or do you want all 42 squadrons to be comprised of Tejas just to support indigenous product? Add the possible 97 to the 123, which brings the probable number to 220.
Arjun is a behemoth in itself. When it was proposed, it was not just the armoured brigade, but the whole engineering corp which needed to be overhauled. So from first day onwards, IA was skeptical regarding it. Even then a order for 124 was placed just to support the program. So in total, 242 is a decent number for it keeping the amount of overhaul IA has to undergo because of it.

So look at the back ground and supporting factors too before you make up your mind on anything.

Baap ree!!!! Itna Bada Rebuttal

Your Prachand Saga - Beta!!! Forces has dealt HAL-Prachand in this manner :

How many months your 15 Prachands were rotting in HAL despite been completed (USING INTERNAL FUNDS BY HAL) but delivery not taken by the End User ????

This is from 2021 when was contract was signed ???????

Coming to Prachand and ATAGS. LSP has been ordered for Prachand which is undergoing usage and trials in various exercises. Prachand is flying in areas where we have not even seen Rudra operating. So forces are basically making their strategy around Prachand only after which they would know how many units would be there per squadron and how many squadrons of it would be required.

Same goes for ATAGS. 307 is no where a piecemeal order for it to begin with. Remember that we were crying about the possible 400 number of ATHOS which are basically the second trance of TGS.

ATAGS???? Here Developers and Manufacturers includes Privet Companies, and requirements of 4000 pieces how many of 155mm been ordered ???

Despite clearing all the Trials still awaiting for proper orders.


Can the Import Pasand Army do the same with "Foreign Maal" ????

How many of the Guns are still in service ???? Le bhai count karle.

 

[Ugra Bhairav]

As for Tejas, you think 123 is a piecemeal order for any airforce? Or do you want all 42 squadrons to be comprised of Tejas just to support indigenous product? Add the possible 97 to the 123, which brings the probable number to 220.

What were the orders for Tejas-MK1 Genius????

20 IOC + 20 FOC

And after that TA-TA-BYE-BYE Khatam!!!!!!!!!



And mind you Tejas-MK1a was brainchild of Late Shri Manohar Parrikar Saheb. Who by dangling “Carrot” of “MRCA” got agreed IAF for improved version, till MK-2 arrives at the scene…

 

[Ugra Bhairav]

As for Tejas, you think 123 is a piecemeal order for any airforce? Or do you want all 42 squadrons to be comprised of Tejas just to support indigenous product? Add the possible 97 to the 123, which brings the probable number to 220.

Do you even know TEJAS-MK2 was actually the brainchild of NAVY ????

Due to Shortage of power requirement of GE-404 navy needed more powerful Fighter for Jump Carriers hence LCA-MK2 was envisaged by them.

However they completely dropped that idea in favour of Twin Engine.



Again NAVY is pitching for TDBF but IAF is running after “MRCA”.



IAF will broke from its slumber after 2030’s and will jump upon the wagon of TDBF for a Twin Engine fighter. When their dram of “”MRCA” will get delayed and match the timeline of TDBF.

Take note TDBF will get advantage of technologies developed for AMCA, And TDBF will superior to MRFA chaps in some of the technologies.

Afterall IAF is Import Air Force.

 

[Ugra Bhairav]

Arjun is a behemoth in itself. When it was proposed, it was not just the armoured brigade, but the whole engineering corp which needed to be overhauled. So from first day onwards, IA was skeptical regarding it. Even then a order for 124 was placed just to support the program. So in total, 242 is a decent number for it keeping the amount of overhaul IA has to undergo because of it.

So Genius!!! What are the Numbers of T-90 Bheeshma in service???

What How many piecemeal orders of T-90 were placed ????

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[Blood+]

Let CVRDE cook. The Armata is big, it stands taller and longer than an M1 Sep V3. Just buying it will throw a wrench into Army's logistics. If we wanted we could get a bustle autoloader on the T-90 with a redesigned turret, much smaller profile.

Ideally, that should be the case after that whole ATAGS conundrum, I'm no longer confident in the Army's judgment.

 

[Chinmoy]

Baap ree!!!! Itna Bada Rebuttal

Your Prachand Saga - Beta!!! Forces has dealt HAL-Prachand in this manner :

How many months your 15 Prachands were rotting in HAL despite been completed (USING INTERNAL FUNDS BY HAL) but delivery not taken by the End User ????

This is from 2021 when was contract was signed ???????

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ATAGS???? Here Developers and Manufacturers includes Privet Companies, and requirements of 4000 pieces how many of 155mm been ordered ???

Despite clearing all the Trials still awaiting for proper orders.


Can the Import Pasand Army do the same with "Foreign Maal" ????

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How many of the Guns are still in service ???? Le bhai count karle.

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Problem with guys like you, you will not look into right places. Let me help you out here.

For LCH, you have quoted article from 2021. Let me quote article from same financial year.

According to a PR published by the Indian government on March 31, 2022, the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) met under the Chairmanship of Prime Minister Shri Narendra Modi on 30 March 2022 in New Delhi. The CCS has approved the procurement of 15 Light Combat Helicopters (LCH) Limited Series Production at the cost of Rs. 3,887 Cr along with Infrastructure sanctions worth Rs. 377 Cr.

https://www.airrecognition.com/inde...ire-15-light-combat-helicopters-from-hal.html

Now read the underlined part and keep it in mind.

Induction of the indigenously designed and developed Light Combat Helicopter (LCH) adds unique capability to the combat potential of the Indian Air Force (IAF) and marks a new chapter, said Air Chief Marshal (ACM) V. R. Chaudhari on Monday as the twin-engine helicopter was formally inducted into the 143 Helicopter Unit ‘Dhanush’ at the Jodhpur Air Force Station.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...t-light-combat-helicopter/article65965662.ece

Now when did you last heard about CCS approval and induction in the same year for a platform? It did happened because HAL has invested their internal funding for LSP production.

Now I don't think you should be upset with HAL producing them from their internal fund. Its the norm for production. You have to invest on your own and then get paid after selling it.

Now coming to ATAGS part.

Have you came across this report?

Ashok Leyland, an automotive subsidiary of the Hinduja Group, has bagged orders worth Rs 800 from the Indian Army. As part of this deal, the company will deliver specialized vehicles to the defence sector, including the Field Artillery Tractor (FAT 4x4) and the Gun Towing Vehicle (GTV 6x6).

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...pecialized-vehicles/articleshow/101848444.cms

This is from this financial year itself. Hope you know why these 6x6 has been ordered?

On second look, what is the indigenous content percentage in both the guns?

 

[Chinmoy]

What were the orders for Tejas-MK1 Genius????

20 IOC + 20 FOC

And after that TA-TA-BYE-BYE Khatam!!!!!!!!!



And mind you Tejas-MK1a was brainchild of Late Shri Manohar Parrikar Saheb. Who by dangling “Carrot” of “MRCA” got agreed IAF for improved version, till MK-2 arrives at the scene…

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Now if you are so much of an genius, tell me why Late Mr. Parrikar has to vouch for Mk1A instead of Mk1? Why didn't he forced IAF to go for 83 Mk1 instead of Mk1A?