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[NoobWannaLearn]

He is gonna have to wait long for Archer ng

 

[binayak95]

Just before the Ukraine war didn't ZM get into a tie up with BHEL (?) to service all their marine generators in India ? What happened to that in the light of this piece of information?

Force Majure enacted after the war started. All contracts held in abeyance.

 

[Gyyan]

https://x.com/livefist/status/1735944521412702647?s=20

Ff 2027
Production not possible before 2031

 

[johnj]

Force Majure enacted after the war started. All contracts held in abeyance.

Current state of service of ZM marine generators ? and new Talwar-class frigates comes with ZM, right ??
Any news about IEP & railgun & p17b crew size/unicorn ???

 

[Azaad]

Involvement is not = Independent R&D

In the event I wasn't referring to R&D , merely designing of such systems. It harks back to a belief I've long held that DRDO is being stretched thin.

From development of items like parachutes to clothing to packaged food items at extremely low temperatures they're also into small arms , cutting edge 5th Gen FA , SSN / SSBN , Quantum Computing technology etc .

This is like the salt to software conglomerate Tatas. In fact one of their Group Cos - Tata Steel also came out with an ad not so long ago - we also make steel.

MoD / GoI needs to decide if this is going to be the charter for DRDO going into the future coz it's not working.

 

[AnantS]

In the event I wasn't referring to R&D , merely designing of such systems. It harks back to a belief I've long held that DRDO is being stretched thin.

From mfg parachutes to clothing to packaged food items at extremely low temperatures they're also into small arms , cutting edge 5th Gen FA , SSN / SSBN , Quantum Computing technology etc .

This is like the salt to software conglomerate Tatas. In fact one of their Group Cos - Tata Steel also came out with an ad not so long ago - we also make steel.

MoD / GoI needs to decide if this is going to be the charter for DRDO going into the future coz it's not working.

Actually DRDO is fine as long as it limits research, designing, prototyping, validation and verification, desiging production jigs. Actual ToT & production should be handed off to competent pvt inc.

 

[SavageKing456]

If the govt of india is serious they should better fund and buy armed SWIFT drone with 6 ATGMs asap
Conflict is soon coming and it will be surprise

 

[Azaad]

Actually DRDO is fine as long as it limits research, designing, prototyping, validation and verification, desiging production jigs. Actual ToT & production should be handed off to competent pvt inc.

I made a grave error. Instead of development I typed mfg of parachutes etc.

I personally don't think DRDO or its affiliated labs ought to be involved in R&D of these kind of items viz parachutes , small arms ,even drones etc .

Those respective labs ought to be merged with the mfg unit & either given autonomy to function as an independent PSU on the lines of our oil cos or NTPC etc or they should be sold off .

DRDO is the premier defence R&D lab in our country & ought to conduct itself as such .

 

[ezsasa]

In the event I wasn't referring to R&D , merely designing of such systems. It harks back to a belief I've long held that DRDO is being stretched thin.

From mfg parachutes to clothing to packaged food items at extremely low temperatures they're also into small arms , cutting edge 5th Gen FA , SSN / SSBN , Quantum Computing technology etc .

This is like the salt to software conglomerate Tatas. In fact one of their Group Cos - Tata Steel also came out with an ad not so long ago - we also make steel.

MoD / GoI needs to decide if this is going to be the charter for DRDO going into the future coz it's not working.

just like how our defence equipment is transitioning from russian to western, foreign to domestic, R&D will also transition from public to private, but at it's own pace.

in last few years, drone and anti-drone tech got developed independent of DRDO.
for private sector to accumulate IPs, to build end to end defence solutions will also take time.

 

[AnantS]

I made a grave error. Instead of development I typed mfg of parachutes etc.

I personally don't think DRDO or its affiliated labs ought to be involved in R&D of these kind of items viz parachutes , small arms ,even drones etc .

Those respective labs ought to be merged with the mfg unit & either given autonomy to function as an independent PSU on the lines of our oil cos or NTPC etc or they should be sold off .

DRDO is the premier defence R&D lab in our country & ought to conduct itself as such .

mate you overestimate current will of indian industries to invent even a pin. Parachute also needs research on material, elasticity, opening folding mechanism - apart from design around purpose and requirement. Production is something you can ofload to pvt- right now even in PSU - its OFB looking at same.

IdeaForge e.g started making drones. But making it milspec was different ballgame and required DRDO handholding in initial days. But do you see ideaforge going in for bigger drones or ground breaking designs? no

We need companies who have innovating attitude like newspace, astra, tonbo and automicrouas.

 

[ezsasa]

If the govt of india is serious they should better fund and buy armed SWIFT drone with 6 ATGMs asap
Conflict is soon coming and it will be surprise

unreasonable expectation to have, especially when there is no public info on SWIFTs operational flight envelope.

we don't know how long is it's range, flight time, operational altitude ceiling, maximum takeoff altitude etc.

 

[Azaad]

mate you overestimate current will of indian industries to invent even a pin. Parachute also needs research on material, elasticity, opening folding mechanism - apart from design around purpose and requirement. Production is something you can ofload to pvt- right now even in PSU - its OFB looking at same.

IdeaForge e.g started making drones. But making it milspec was different ballgame and required DRDO handholding in initial days. But do you see ideaforge going in for bigger drones or ground breaking designs? no

We need companies who have innovating attitude like newspace, astra, tonbo and automicrouas.

The issue as I see it is 2 fold . Get the clutter out of DRDO's fold. We can well mate the labs from DRDO involved in R&D of those parachutes with the respective OFB unit tasked to mfg it , give it autonomy & let it function as an independent organization instead of persisting with the current arrangment since you brought up a very specific example. That's all I ask for .

You're conflating streamlining operations at the DRDO with the larger issue of Indian organizations especially in the Pvt sector not ear marking funds towards R&D. Though inter connected to an extent these are 2 separate issues. Let's hope the recent committee appointed to look after DRDO's operations come to the same conclusions & this time we move decisively with a view to de linking such labs from the DRDO's fold with a proper roadmap & timeline .

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[johnj]

mate you overestimate current will of indian industries to invent even a pin. Parachute also needs research on material, elasticity, opening folding mechanism - apart from design around purpose and requirement. Production is something you can ofload to pvt- right now even in PSU - its OFB looking at same.

IdeaForge e.g started making drones. But making it milspec was different ballgame and required DRDO handholding in initial days. But do you see ideaforge going in for bigger drones or ground breaking designs? no

We need companies who have innovating attitude like newspace, astra, tonbo and automicrouas.

Those respective labs ought to be merged with the mfg unit & either given autonomy to function as an independent PSU on the lines of our oil cos or NTPC etc or they should be sold off .

I totally agree with this point - Excluding India, normally R&D comes under manufacturing org in defense sector

 

[AnantS]

I made a grave error. Instead of development I typed mfg of parachutes etc.

I personally don't think DRDO or its affiliated labs ought to be involved in R&D of these kind of items viz parachutes , small arms ,even drones etc .

Those respective labs ought to be merged with the mfg unit & either given autonomy to function as an independent PSU on the lines of our oil cos or NTPC etc or they should be sold off .

DRDO is the premier defence R&D lab in our country & ought to conduct itself as such .

DRDO has multiple verticals, each vertical having its own specialization from food to electronics to space. What is needed they can research whatever field they deem fit. E.g DRDO food research created mre for soldiers in siachen. They are deciding rations for gagannauts too. DRDO then transferred this knowldge to food and packing industries who created using that ToT their own RTE packed foods. e.g. MTR.

Reforms are needed in accountability. OFB and its rebranded subsidiaries need to be converted to public pvt venture ship. As you said - DRDO should limit itself to R&D to support in initial productionizing.

 

[AnantS]

I totally agree with this point - Excluding India, normally R&D comes under manufacturing org in defense sector

not necessary. e.g in US DARPA & NASA research and develop technologies for next generation. Which is then used by PVT sector to further refine in their products. In Russia, China - all R&D in defence is done by state units.

Can you tell me which Industrialist in India is ready to burn money in defence eg like Elon musk for their VTVL rockets and now starships?

 

[NocturnalOwl]

A pic from Veera Dynamics company. What's very weird in this pic is can you observe a thickness on his right hand vs left hand. I believe he inserted some kind of pate inside his cloth to shield himself from the heat. The way he holds his right hand stiff also makes me believe that there is something inside.

Bringing this up very late. I believe this Veera dynamics company to be another investor scam. I have checked out their website and they have not talked much in detail about their product or technology. I also dont see any P.hd member in their organization.

 

[karn]

A pic from Veera Dynamics company. What's very weird in this pic is can you observe a thickness on his right hand vs left hand. I believe he inserted some kind of pate inside his cloth to shield himself from the heat. The way he holds his right hand stiff also makes me believe that there is something inside.

Bringing this up very late. I believe this Veera dynamics company to be another investor scam. I have checked out their website and they have not talked much in detail about their product or technology. I also dont see any P.hd member in their organization.

Perhaps not .. many heat resistant materials swell up while getting heated . Perhaps this jacket has a lining of something like that .

 

[Azaad]

DRDO has multiple verticals, each vertical having its own specialization from food to electronics to space. What is needed they can research whatever field they deem fit. E.g DRDO food research created mre for soldiers in siachen. They are deciding rations for gagannauts too. DRDO then transferred this knowldge to food and packing industries who created using that ToT their own RTE packed foods. e.g. MTR.

Reforms are needed in accountability. OFB and its rebranded subsidiaries need to be converted to public pvt venture ship. As you said - DRDO should limit itself to R&D to support in initial productionizing.

If you include all such organisations within the ambit of the DRDO you have to budget for their R&D & day to day expenses as well which is where we risk spreading the resources of DRDO too thin for then follows responsibility & accountability .

Any such premier R&D institute can't have a charter which includes everything in its ambit but ought to focus its efforts & gaze only to a select few hi tech R&D items off loading those which aren't premier to local industries. This is an on going process.

Check out what DARPA's charter is & what they've come up with in the past 2 decades & then decide if there's any parallel to the activities of DARPA & DRDO assuming you agree that DARPA is the future template on which we ought to structure the DRDO by & large.

 

[johnj]

not necessary. e.g in US DARPA & NASA research and develop technologies for next generation. Which is then used by PVT sector to further refine in their products. In Russia, China - all R&D in defence is done by state units.

Can you tell me which Industrialist in India is ready to burn money in defence eg like Elon musk for their VTVL rockets and now starships?

Ture, but one big difference b/w US DARPA & NASA with ours is that, they are responsible for next gen unknown alien tech [super marvel tech] & ours developing current/existing tech
In Russia, China - all R&D in defence is done by manufacturing unit[80%]
Fun part is - in all those countries, gov is responsible for major funding, excluding some
Lol- Elon musk not burning money on defense, matter of fact - no private company will, legally, unless it is ok to sell to public,
In others words- In Russia, China & US, gov spends 85% of funs for R&D in defence including setting up test labs & facilities,