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Some people really believed j16 would be limited to A2G ground role while j11 will be the one doing A2A fights.
Here is j16 with 10 AAMs and a freakin 1700+ trms AESA a composite airframe and RAM coatings.
Better and longer range AAMs.
These will eat the MKIs for breakfast.
Su 30 mki doesn't stand anywhere near j-16
It's well known and old fact
J-16 is extremely advanced wrt other varients of j-11 and even platform is bit different

That's why su 30 mki upgrade was long awaited
According to me each and every mki should get upgraded to fight j-16 and modern versions of j-11 and ig that's the plan
Hope things move fast to CCS committee and get clearance
The upgrade package is truly amazing
 

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@Gyyan your concerns are 100 percent valid, even before these pics came out good 2-3 years back someone 🔨 🦈 made comments in our teligram group in line that chinese Sukhoi kopies made many heads turn into MoD and Air Force upper ranks over their surpassing of our MKI in both qualitative and quantitative terms

telling it loudly of course would've caused earthquakes here, so now we have it - some visual reality check
 

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Why is j20 not a fifth gen fighter?
Well go by reports of the IAF, USAF, and other air forces. They are pretty unanimous that J-20 is not really a 5th gen fighter. Besides being endorsed by a chinese simp like Jal jaganath is not really exactly a ringing endorsement.
 

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@Gyyan your concerns are 100 percent valid, even before these pics came out good 2-3 years back someone 🔨 🦈 made comments in our teligram group in line that chinese Sukhoi kopies made many heads turn into MoD and Air Force upper ranks over their surpassing of our MKI in both qualitative and quantitative terms

telling it loudly of course would've caused earthquakes here, so now we have it - some visual reality check
This time the excuse that chinks cannot operate with full capabilities from those high airbases won't work with those huge no of Y20B Kunpeng based Refuelers i really want to see what kind of copium our people will come up with.
 

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Well go by reports of the IAF, USAF, and other air forces. They are pretty unanimous that J-20 is not really a 5th gen fighter. Besides being endorsed by a chinese simp like Jal jaganath is not really exactly a ringing endorsement.
I mean what kind of reports?
USAF says J20 is nothing to worry about and then says they were impressed by the command and control of j20.
There was one alarm saying we had seen j20 using sukhois but there was no mention of distance or if j20 had lumberg lenses on.
Even with the claims of j20 not being a true 5th gen is getting rectified as we speak j20s are being tested with ws-15 engines.
Stealthy Shape and materials check.
With ws15 even super cruise check
With ws15 IR stealth check
Sensor fusion most probably dunno
J20 is only twin seater 5th gen in the world so we might get to see the first MUM-T type combo from a fifth gen fighter in near future.
And not to mention an even smaller lighter fifth gen is in works how much more dangerous do you think is dangerous?
 

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This time the excuse that chinks cannot operate with full capabilities from those high airbases won't work with those huge no of Y20B Kunpeng based Refuelers i really want to see what kind of copium our people will come up with.
oh whenever it comes to chinki and ruusi weaponry usual discourse by some of ours who detest socialism-communism and those era ties here with former daddy soviet state and all related realities here is quite vittoral-tier...like yeah we have seen enough of all that mud-slinging from both sides since the ruusi-ukraini bakchodi is going on and so...

both sides and their fav weapons got busted

now what we need is a serious biting the bullet and reality check for fucking once so maybe, maybe we can move ahead with some realistic plan in mind than going in circles over "heh cheeni maal" 😒
for record it's us who are importing a bare basic rifle for our armed forces while they've been atmanirbhar over a hell of things and going only up since decades now - a bitter example
 
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I mean what kind of reports?
USAF says J20 is nothing to worry about and then says they were impressed by the command and control of j20.
There was one alarm saying we had seen j20 using sukhois but there was no mention of distance or if j20 had lumberg lenses on.
Even with the claims of j20 not being a true 5th gen is getting rectified as we speak j20s are being tested with ws-15 engines.
Stealthy Shape and materials check.
With ws15 even super cruise check
With ws15 IR stealth check
J20 is only twin seater 5th gen in the world so we might get to see the first MUM-T type combo from a fifth gen fighter in near future.
And not to mention an even smaller lighter fifth gen is in works how much more dangerous do you think is dangerous?
Canards anyone?? That's a big honking radar reflector no matter how you slice that.
 

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Canards anyone?? That's a big honking radar reflector no matter how you slice that.
Yes it's a big radar reflector it's a much as problem as being a little less stealthy as a f35 carrying an AIM-9X outside and that's still hella stealthy.
Also I would like to suggest to look at a the angle the canards make with the body of the plane and imagine them as some mirror and simulate what happens a light ray falls on it does it return to the same direction or gets deflected elsewhere.
 

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Yes it's a big radar reflector it's a much as problem as being a little less stealthy as a f35 carrying an AIM-9X outside and that's still hella stealthy.
Also I would like to suggest to look at a the angle the canards make with the body of the plane and imagine them as some mirror and simulate what happens a light ray falls on it does it return to the same direction or gets thrown elsewhere.
That is your logic? J-20 don't have any options of removing the canards while the F-35 have the option of being stealthy by storing its weapons in its internal bay.

As for your light ray comparison it is totally wrong. Can you see the canards? If you can see the canards that means the light rays are bouncing back to your eyes. Stealth works by bouncing the radar waves away and reducing the footprint to the size of a bird or a ball. Those canards have no hope of redirecting the radar waves away while at the same time trying to maintain stable flights or keeping the plane in the curve while turning.
 

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Well go by reports of the IAF, USAF, and other air forces. They are pretty unanimous that J-20 is not really a 5th gen fighter. Besides being endorsed by a chinese simp like Jal jaganath is not really exactly a ringing endorsement.
First of all write the user name
But for that u have to be Indian
Anyways
So basically if someone has different opinion and in this case true opinion and due to ur lesser knowledge regarding the platform can't be true
Wow
Yeah ofc j-20 is not 5th gen
Their engines are damn poor
They numbers are false
Their capabilities are exaggerated
We face no threat
Anything else great Indian patriot sitting in usa
Anyways this post may derail so @Gyyan we may take this discussion to relatable thread
 

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oh whenever it comes to chinki and ruusi weaponry usual discourse by some of ours who detest socialism-communism and those era ties here with former daddy soviet state and all related realities here is quite vittoral-tier...like yeah we have seen enough of all that mud sledging from both sides since the ruusi-ukraini bakchodi is going on and so...

both sides and their fav weapons got busted

now what we need is a serious biting the bullet and reality check for fucking once so maybe, maybe we can move ahead with some realistic plan in mind than going in circles over "heh cheeni maal" 😒
for record it's us who are importing a bare basic rifle for our armed forces while they've been atmanirbhar over a hell of a thing and going only up since decades now - a bitter example
As far as our history is concerned even if we loose like Kargil,partitions,1962 ,colonialism by both western and Muslim one etc (too many to name) nothing will be learned and after 1 -2 year it will be as usual.
If this country and its people (specially dhindus) need to teach lesson through war than nothing short of japenese invasion of china or current Russo-Ukraine war (a long brutal war ) can remove this chalta attitude of India and its people.
Communist or capitalist or whatever it means to end. It is communist only who have controlled peacfuls menace successfully.
 

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That is your logic? J-20 don't have any options of removing the canards while the F-35 have the option of being stealthy by storing its weapons in its internal bay.

As for your light ray comparison it is totally wrong. Can you see the canards? If you can see the canards that means the light rays are bouncing back to your eyes. Stealth works by bouncing the radar waves away and reducing the footprint to the size of a bird or a ball. Those canards have no hope of redirecting the radar waves away while at the same time trying to maintain stable flights or keeping the plane in the curve while turning.
Bruh I can even see a f22 and it's pretty large you are taking visual stealth for radar stealth.
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PS: Your username spelling also wrong. Jai Jagannath
That's user specific
It's on how u call
Some one may call jagan-nath
Some may call jaganath
But definitely not jal
I understand thats typo
Again we are derailing
 
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