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[karn]

Maybe not more J 10's (unless the Chinese give it to them on loan or heavy discount) but more JF 17's are almost confirmed as they can locally produce them

 

[standard snowball]

Can you explain how mk2 better than mk1a in handling F16bk52 & j10ce ??
mk1a having more t/r module in mfr than mk2, it can see and identify f16 and j10ce around 150km or more and no need for irst in that particular case.
The major advantages of mk2 vs mk1 in that particular case are
1 better twr in air to air battle
2 can carry more aams
PAF mainly use F16 for defensive purpose, and rarely cross indo pak border, forcing PAF to use j10ce to escort strike package, S400 and mk1a can handle those with ease iff anti air gun and qrsam able to intercept incoming missile and standoff weapons
IAF need iron drone like s/ms and advance counter swarm drone s/ms
technological superiority - PAF leading with more awacs, attack drone, alcm, pgms, sandoff weapons, missiles, and our only major advantage is rafale [meteor, hammer, alcm]

1. It can stay in the air for longer period of time thanks to its huge internal fuel carrying capacity.

2. would be more agile in comparison to mk1a due to a more aerodynamic design, presence of canards, not carrying drop tanks and better TWR than mk1a

3. Can carry more AAM's

4. Will have a better radar than mk1a due to more peak power (I am not sure on this, just heard about this on Twitter) (both have roughly the same amount of TR modules, 912 TRMs to be precise)

I am not talking about SAMs or AWACS or tankers here, I am comparing our indigenous aircrafts vis-a-vis what Pakistan will field against them.

Air warfare is very dynamic topic you can't just compare aircraft to aircraft in a real world scenario my attempt here was purely hypothetical in nature

 

[johnj]

1. It can stay in the air for longer period of time thanks to its huge internal fuel carrying capacity.

2. would be more agile in comparison to mk1a due to a more aerodynamic design, presence of canards, not carrying drop tanks and better TWR than mk1a

3. Can carry more AAM's

4. Will have a better radar than mk1a due to more peak power (I am not sure on this, just heard about this on Twitter) (both have roughly the same amount of TR modules, 912 TRMs to be precise)

I am not talking about SAMs or AWACS or tankers here, I am comparing our indigenous aircrafts vis-a-vis what Pakistan will field against them.

Air warfare is very dynamic topic you can't just compare aircraft to aircraft in a real world scenario my attempt here was purely hypothetical in nature

1. how it is going to help against F16 or J10 ??
2. Not a bigge due to HMCS + python 5/asraam, vs similar PAF capability
3. Yes, its is the one major advantage
4. Both using similar radar, peak power only good for targeting long distance target using long range aam, but useless if jet take of from airfield close to border and IAF station mk1 close to border airfields
Its about PAF f16 & j10 vs LCA, not about multirole/omni role or PLAAF j10
The major advantage of mk2
1. High TWR, which helps acceleration and rate of climb
2. More aams, which help survived aircraft to intercept more target
3. Sensor fusion, which help to fire aam against F16 asap
4. range, it help to station away from border which increases survivability of jets
In other words mk1 and mk2 fill different roles, mk1 provide low cost option and mk2 provide better long range attack capability against LO, non LO targets
PAF F16 equipped with aim120c5, mk1a get astra mk2 in 2025/26,
PAF only having 26/36 J10s with al31 engines and internal IRST
The only disadvantage of mk1 is low no.of aam, 3/4 vs 6~8

 

[patriots]

Hexacopter with a grenade luncher carrying ammunition box ,this drone seems to be from newspace

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Hexacopter with a grenade luncher carrying ammunition box ,this drone seems to be from newspace

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Great now bomb those fuckers in Kashmir and manipur

 

[Photon]

 

[Gyyan]

 

[johnj]

Air warfare is very dynamic topic you can't just compare aircraft to aircraft in a real world scenario my attempt here was purely hypothetical in nature

I'm not comparing aircraft to aircraft under hypothetical conditions but real war like conditions[indo pak excluding external factors], considering multiple factors, including pilot.
Hypothetically under any dynamic conditions, both F16 and J10c are far superior to LCA mk1 & J10c superior to mk2, F16 superior to mk2 most of the conditions.
If IAF consider dynamic, hypothetical nature of air warfare, then only choice is F22 and it lacks IRST. Next choice are EFT, Su 57 and rafale. Means we end up importing 300s+ of rafale, 400s+ 6th gen, 1000s of autonomous hunter/hunter killer drones, from foreign countries
ADA done a good job with LCA design, and it is capable of handling any threat emerging from Pak, present and near future, unfortunately MoD, drdo, gtre, industry unable to keep up with them, which forced ADA/HAL to use Israel, British, US tech & support.

 

[DumbPilot]

I'm not comparing aircraft to aircraft under hypothetical conditions but real war like conditions[indo pak excluding external factors], considering multiple factors, including pilot.
Hypothetically under any dynamic conditions, both F16 and J10c are far superior to LCA mk1 & J10c superior to mk2, F16 superior to mk2 most of the conditions.
If IAF consider dynamic, hypothetical nature of air warfare, then only choice is F22 and it lacks IRST. Next choice are EFT, Su 57 and rafale. Means we end up importing 300s+ of rafale, 400s+ 6th gen, 1000s of autonomous hunter/hunter killer drones, from foreign countries
ADA done a good job with LCA design, and it is capable of handling any threat emerging from Pak, present and near future, unfortunately MoD, drdo, gtre, industry unable to keep up with them, which forced ADA/HAL to use Israel, British, US tech & support.

Warfare is more than just airplanes. What about EW, AWACS, SAMs, threat zones.. ? That is not even counting pre-emptive strikes on strategic threats. What use is the F-16 if your supply depot is blown up with a Brahmos? What about pilot training, support asset operator training?

These comparisons are good for 1v1 or maybe even 2v2 if you stretch it.

 

[johnj]

Warfare is more than just airplanes

yes, but airplanes dominate entire battlespace

What about EW, AWACS, SAMs, threat zones.. ?

yes I considered those, PAF having EW assets, but its capability is limited and only good against old tech, not against mk1a
PAF having AEW&C, which is a huge advantage for them, In our case, its rare and limited resource.

That is not even counting pre-emptive strikes on strategic threats.

Yes, it is from my point

What use is the F-16 if your supply depot is blown up with a Brahmos?

we don't unless GoI considering WW3 or until PAF's pre-emptive strikes on our strategic points

What about pilot training, support asset operator training?

In these case both IAF & PAF having plus and minus, better to consider quality/quantity of machine

These comparisons are good for 1v1 or maybe even 2v2 if you stretch it.

Yes, it is, mostly 1v1
Its about PAF's pre-emptive strikes on our strategic points, and capability of IAF interceptor jet [mk1a/mk2] to counter that deployed in forward bases
Question is how good is mk2 vs mk1a in countering PAF j10ce and F16 ?? 1v1

 

[RedHood108]

CRPF WhAP deployed in Kashmir.

 

[RedHood108]

IndianArmy's newly inducted NIMBUS Swarm Drones by NewSpace Research.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Intresting is this different from project cheetah?

 

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[NoobWannaLearn]

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[DumbPilot]

Its about PAF's pre-emptive strikes on our strategic points, and capability of IAF interceptor jet [mk1a/mk2] to counter that deployed in forward bases
Question is how good is mk2 vs mk1a in countering PAF j10ce and F16 ?? 1v1

Well any attacking Paki jets would face combined arms. Either get gutted by airplanes or by SAMs/SHORADs. I think with Astra and Python, we have a nice range on us.

Bonus is that enemy missile pK is reduced drastically because they will be very low altitude to hide from our SAMs.

All IAF interceptors will most likely go really high on afterburner or stay relatively low, in both the cases which we will have superiority as any Paki ground attack aircraft will have to choose between the mission, the airframe or the fight that is coming their way.

Aside from weapons I think another factor that could affect QRA/INTERCEPTION would hot start time, how fast it takes to go from ground to airborne and master arm on during an alarm. I don't know the exact figures, but I would imagine there are aircraft kept at the EOR pit stops just for this thing.