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[NeXoft007]

Pakistani inventory
138 JF Blunder Block 1 and 2 (no match for even the mk1)
50 JF Blunder Block 3 (formidable opponent against mk1a)

36 J 10 CE (mk1a not upto the task against this class of fighter we need mk2 for that)

75 F 16s (again mk1a not upto the task against this class of fighter we need mk2 for that)

53 F-7 (Chinese version of flying coffin) (are being replaced with JF 17s) (so additional orders of JF 17 are expected)

87 Mirage 3 (capable fighters and deep strike platforms) (might be replaced with J10 and future variants of JF 17)

92 Mirage 5 (capable fighters and deep strike platforms,) (might be replaced with J10 and future variants of JF 17)

On 2nd thought 223 Tejas makes perfect sense as PAF is going to inevitably order more JF 17s to replace it's aging fleet of F-7's and Mirages.

Indian Military would like to neutralize them at source only. There's no such thing as playing fairly during wars.

Create A2AD, initiate SEAD/ DEAD, take out the runways, and target the PAF hangars. Pakistan's geography is surely a strategic disadvantage.

 

[Fatalis]

 

[FireStar]

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Is this negev LMG or a desi LMG?

 

[NutCracker]

Pakistani inventory
138 JF Blunder Block 1 and 2 (no match for even the mk1)
50 JF Blunder Block 3 (formidable opponent against mk1a)

36 J 10 CE (mk1a not upto the task against this class of fighter we need mk2 for that)

75 F 16s (again mk1a not upto the task against this class of fighter we need mk2 for that)

53 F-7 (Chinese version of flying coffin) (are being replaced with JF 17s) (so additional orders of JF 17 are expected)

87 Mirage 3 (capable fighters and deep strike platforms) (might be replaced with J10 and future variants of JF 17)

92 Mirage 5 (capable fighters and deep strike platforms,) (might be replaced with J10 and future variants of JF 17)

On 2nd thought 223 Tejas makes perfect sense as PAF is going to inevitably order more JF 17s to replace it's aging fleet of F-7's and Mirages.

Porkies have only ordered 20 of J10C as per that Porky MOD leak about initial tranche goes.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Is this negev LMG or a desi LMG?

Negev NG7

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[johnj]

I am not saying it can't be a formidable opponent to F16 and J 10 but whenever possible we should send a clearly superior aircraft to take on the enemy, yes mk1a can take on J 10 and F 16 but it would be too close for comfort but against JF Blunder, Mk1a totally obliterate it from miles away without any problem.

Even our Mig 21 shot down a F 16 but that does not mean we should send Mig 21s against F 16.
Our strategy should be to achieve not just parity but complete technological superiority over PAF and mk1a can provide that sort of superiority over JF 17 but not J 10 or F 16 and we need mk2 to achieve just that.

Can you explain how mk2 better than mk1a in handling F16bk52 & j10ce ??
mk1a having more t/r module in mfr than mk2, it can see and identify f16 and j10ce around 150km or more and no need for irst in that particular case.
The major advantages of mk2 vs mk1 in that particular case are
1 better twr in air to air battle
2 can carry more aams
PAF mainly use F16 for defensive purpose, and rarely cross indo pak border, forcing PAF to use j10ce to escort strike package, S400 and mk1a can handle those with ease iff anti air gun and qrsam able to intercept incoming missile and standoff weapons
IAF need iron drone like s/ms and advance counter swarm drone s/ms
technological superiority - PAF leading with more awacs, attack drone, alcm, pgms, sandoff weapons, missiles, and our only major advantage is rafale [meteor, hammer, alcm]

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[Haldilal]

Pakistani inventory
138 JF Blunder Block 1 and 2 (no match for even the mk1)
50 JF Blunder Block 3 (formidable opponent against mk1a)

36 J 10 CE (mk1a not upto the task against this class of fighter we need mk2 for that)

75 F 16s (again mk1a not upto the task against this class of fighter we need mk2 for that)

53 F-7 (Chinese version of flying coffin) (are being replaced with JF 17s) (so additional orders of JF 17 are expected)

87 Mirage 3 (capable fighters and deep strike platforms) (might be replaced with J10 and future variants of JF 17)

92 Mirage 5 (capable fighters and deep strike platforms,) (might be replaced with J10 and future variants of JF 17)

On 2nd thought 223 Tejas makes perfect sense as PAF is going to inevitably order more JF 17s to replace it's aging fleet of F-7's and Mirages.

Ya'll Nibbiars

1 . The Block III' going to replace most of the existing invetoy mentioned by you.

2 . Half of the Falcons are at the retirement ages many have not been upgraded to the current standards.

3 . The numbers of Mirage you stated are highly unlikely to be true as I believe most of them are now retired.

4 . This FC number you metioned are the production numbers and remember many of them have already crashed.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

 

[NutCracker]

post in LCA thread too

 

[standard snowball]

Ya'll Nibbiars

1 . The Block III' going to replace most of the existing invetoy mentioned by you.

2 . Half of the Falcons are at the retirement ages many have not been upgraded to the current standards.

3 . The numbers of Mirage you stated are highly unlikely to be true as I believe most of them are now retired.

4 . This FC number you metioned are the production numbers and remember many of them have already crashed.

1. Block 1 is so far behind capability wise that upgrading them to block 3 standard would be a fool's errand, it would cost just too much money. Only block 2's are going to be upgraded

2. Pakis are desperately trying to get their F 16s upgraded by the turks, and will most probably get them upgraded before 2030. (I very much doubt that they will let go of such great aircraft this easily)

3. Well I am going by Wikipedia numbers and even if they are retired the point still stands that atleast that amount of mirages will be replaced by JF blunder block 3 and J 10.

4. Again I am using Wikipedia numbers, however the point still stands that atleast that many new JF's will get ordered in the future.
PAF was flying F 7's as late as 2019 and according to local reports a total of 13 out of 60 have crashed.

List of active Pakistan Air Force aircraft - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

New Iaf uniforms look very good.

 

[Butter Chicken]

Brazil's Embraer is considering to establish multiple assembly lines in India to build its small narrow body jets and military transport aircraft. (Bloomberg)

 

[Haldilal]

Brazil's Embraer is considering to establish multiple assembly lines in India to build its small narrow body jets and military transport aircraft. (Bloomberg)

Ya'll Nibbiars They can think all they want, but they have no money to do that and hardly in any position to take debt for that, even it's a risky for any JV partners to do that I have no hopes from the Embar in this current condition of theirs.

 

[blackleaf]

1. Block 1 is so far behind capability wise that upgrading them to block 3 standard would be a fool's errand, it would cost just too much money. Only block 2's are going to be upgraded

2. Pakis are desperately trying to get their F 16s upgraded by the turks, and will most probably get them upgraded before 2030. (I very much doubt that they will let go of such great aircraft this easily)

3. Well I am going by Wikipedia numbers and even if they are retired the point still stands that atleast that amount of mirages will be replaced by JF blunder block 3 and J 10.

4. Again I am using Wikipedia numbers, however the point still stands that atleast that many new JF's will get ordered in the future.
PAF was flying F 7's as late as 2019 and according to local reports a total of 13 out of 60 have crashed.

List of active Pakistan Air Force aircraft - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

How can Pakistan even afford such programs like F-16 upgrads and more JF-17s and J-10? Surely they don't have the forex to pay for it. Maybe China will keep extending loans that they know Pakistan will not pay back.
The Turks themselves need US dollars to buy some parts for the F-16 and they are running on borrowed money just like Pakistan.

 

[standard snowball]

How can Pakistan even afford such programs like F-16 upgrads and more JF-17s and J-10? Surely they don't have the forex to pay for it. Maybe China will keep extending loans that they know Pakistan will not pay back.
The Turks themselves need US dollars to buy some parts for the F-16 and they are running on borrowed money just like Pakistan.

Never underestimate a security state, remember in their own words they will eat grass but will have a nuke, these guys will not let their airforce strength dwindle. Their paranoia of India will not let them.

Maybe not more J 10's (unless the Chinese give it to them on loan or heavy discount) but more JF 17's are almost confirmed as they can locally produce them

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Makes sense its hard for these drones to be in contested airspace they had there run when Russian air defence wasn't great