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Army and Air Force are getting 16 UAVs for a hostile land border of approximately 8,000km (Pakistan, Afghanistan, China, Nepal, Bhutan)

Navy is getting 15 UAVs for a maritime border of almost 7,500km

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I think the Navy gets priority because of inter-operability with P8I & MH-60s. The Navy initially planned for 22 MQ-9s but settled for 15.

But IAF and IA getting 6 each is just piecemeal and inadequate. Also will be a logistics nightmare unless IA + IAF figure out operations from a single shared air base.
 

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I think the Navy gets priority because of inter-operability with P8I & MH-60s. The Navy initially planned for 22 MQ-9s but settled for 15.
Well technically it's the Navy that need it the most. Mount a good SAR and you already have a very capable EO suit and start hunting for periscopes and pirates without any fear of SAM or AAMs. If they decide to add sonobuoys then we can put out P-8I fleet completely on standby, as Predator-B won't have issues like human fatigue or refueling.

But in case of both Army and Air Force their needs can be fulfilled by smaller number of drones. Also they would be flying way closer to contested airspace.
logistics nightmare
It's all superstition...we have a very professional military, we don't believe in myths like these.
Simplified logistics is a Western propaganda
 

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Army and Air Force are getting 16 UAVs for a hostile land border of approximately 8,000km (Pakistan, Afghanistan, China, Nepal, Bhutan)

Navy is getting 15 UAVs for a maritime border of almost 7,500km

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What kind of Rahul Gandhi logic is this? Navy needs to get it's eyes and ears till as far as the western indian ocean and south china sea. Army and IAF already has many Drones for border surveillance. This km comparison of your post make no sense. How much is the Indian ocean in sq.km?
 

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What kind of Rahul Gandhi logic is this? Navy needs to get it's eyes and ears till as far as the western indian ocean and south china sea. Army and IAF already has many Drones for border surveillance. This km comparison of your post make no sense. How much is the Indian ocean in sq.km?
Sometimes simpler parameters make more sense, trust me, it's coming from a guy who writes essays describing how things work.
The point was "15 for the Navy is overkill" and I answered that in most layman term. But in the next post itself I myself clearly mentioned how it's the Navy that needs it
Well technically it's the Navy that need it the most. Mount a good SAR and you already have a very capable EO suit and start hunting for periscopes and pirates without any fear of SAM or AAMs. If they decide to add sonobuoys then we can put out P-8I fleet completely on standby, as Predator-B won't have issues like human fatigue or refueling.

But in case of both Army and Air Force their needs can be fulfilled by smaller number of drones. Also they would be flying way closer to contested airspace.
So it's better you atleast read everything. No need to counter me by reiterating exactly what I've already said
 

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Then by that logic shouldn't Army Aviation Corps have all the Apaches? They're one who would be calling for close air support, or will be doing combined arms warfare. Why lengthen the chain of command by including air force in it?

See, the problem here is we still don't have sensible commands in tri-services who think like a team. What we have are three young siblings who keep fighting for the treats their parents give. "If he's getting that, then I also need it".
Or even worse, sabotaging others procurement process. For example, Indian Navy has always wanted to maintain an aircraft carrier force of at least three, do you who has objected to this idea the most?
Airforce? They were also the one who rejected Namca navy was keen on working on it
 

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These ice-cream seller are making me simp for a effing 60s Patton tank...and we still have not even though of substantially upgrading our T-72/90 fleet.

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Granted it'll be very capital intensive, would require years...but atleast show some will, vision. Atleast announce a Make-II project for it
 

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These ice-cream seller are making me simp for a effing 60s Patton tank...and we still have not even though of substantially upgrading our T-72/90 fleet.

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Granted it'll be very capital intensive, would require years...but atleast show some will, vision. Atleast announce a Make-II project for it
what is that, like seriously what is that
 

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These ice-cream seller are making me simp for a effing 60s Patton tank...and we still have not even though of substantially upgrading our T-72/90 fleet.

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Granted it'll be very capital intensive, would require years...but atleast show some will, vision. Atleast announce a Make-II project for it
That's a sexy turret
 

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Tanks are a foolish priority in my opinion, after looking at how tanks are being decimated left right and centre in uktaine war, I believe we must think aggressive very aggressive like Pakistanis did in 65 .
We need tanks and I understand their psychological and fire support needs etc
Only upgrade they need is a new armour, a new era, a new 125 mm gun to fire more lethal ammunition , capacity to launch Loitering ammunition, through gun barrel and also they should launch atgm from gun barrel,and should come with a portable anti drone soft kill system along with a auxiliary power unit and a soft kill active protection sytem
Also, they need AC, new optics for night fighting capabilities , new communication equipment and finally better urban combat survival kit.
Apart from this minimal investment tanks should not be upgraded further at all, it will b a waste of money, rather we must spam artillery like madmen really, the timeless pristine artillery will again destroy these ugly tanks.
Roketsan's turret solution for M60 and T-72 too with new gun, better FCS, electromechanical drive, blowout panels, bustle autoloader...and every thing in a lighter package than original.
 

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Ahem...ahem...5 tonnes lighter actually
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The only flaw I find in this system is that very graceful turret shot trap...otherwise the system looks perfect to upgrade old T-72s
I meant the M60's suspension was working hard.
Isn't it the case that shot trap is only a problem with APHE rounds sabot rounds don't really bounce about like that.
It's pronounced enough to get hit there.
 

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