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[Fatalis]

Barak-8 ER is simply Barak-8 with dual pulse motor in place of single.

Why are you referring to it as Barak-8ER? From where are you getting the reference?

IAI has 3 missiles in Barak-MX family. Barak-MRAD with 35km range, Barak-LRAD with 70km range and the Barak-ER with 150km range.

Then we have, DRDO-IAI JV's MRSAM missile with a range of 70km. This missile was known with two names in our armed forces.
1. MRSAM - IAF/IA
2. LRSAM - IN

But now it seems, even the IN has started to call them as MRSAM. They have the range of 70km only. It is now a second tri-service missile after Brahmos.

MRSAM is Indian specific missile and is used exclusively by us only. All other nations including the Israel are using the Barak-MX family.

 

[Pythonlover]

But report says end of 2024 that is fy so basically 2025 na ?

I think it was April for first Mk1A delivery. Seems like HAL again failed to adhere to timelines.

 

[karn]

I think it was April for first Mk1A delivery. Seems like HAL again failed to adhere to timelines.

No . It was always the plan to make the trainers 1st.

 

[Pythonlover]

No . It was always the plan to make the trainers 1st.

Yes it was. But I Think all trainers were scheduled to be delivered by April 2024, which I think is impossible now. I doubt HAL is going to complete trainer orders by that time. Can somebody confirm the timelines?

 

[jai jaganath]

No . It was always the plan to make the trainers 1st.

Yes they have to deliver 18 trainers from fy 2023 to end of fy 2024 basically 2023-2025 for 18 tainers

 

[karn]

Yes it was. But I Think all trainers were scheduled to be delivered by April 2024, which I think is impossible now. I doubt HAL is going to complete trainer orders by that time. Can somebody confirm the timelines?

No .

HAL chairman and managing director R Madhavan said that the PSU will start delivering the first batch of aircraft in 36 months from Wednesday. The PSU has nine years to complete the orders.

Article date Feb 7 2021.

Finally, orders for 83 LCA MK-1A signed | India News - Times of India

India News: BENGALURU: After months of negotiations, the Rs 46,898-crore order for 83 Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas Mark-1A was finally signed on Wednesday.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[Pythonlover]

No .

Article date Feb 7 2021.

Finally, orders for 83 LCA MK-1A signed | India News - Times of India

India News: BENGALURU: After months of negotiations, the Rs 46,898-crore order for 83 Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas Mark-1A was finally signed on Wednesday.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Well if it is 9 years contract, then the 10 trainers must be delivered in first year, no? So I think by April 2025 all trainers should be delivered. After then Mk-1A deliveries should start. Oh got it. Apologies man. So Mk-1A deliveries will start from 2025. Thanks for finding the news.

 

[karn]

Well if it is 9 years contract, then the 10 trainers must be delivered in first year, no? So I think by April 2024 all trainers should be delivered. After then Mk-1A deliveries should start.

Correct . And this is the original schedule. They have 9 trainers left to produce for this year.

 

[radion]

wait whats the correct info? How many are to be delivered in what time frame? Twitter accounts should put up a poll to see people's confidence in HAL delivering it.

 

[Love Charger]

Ak 203 ki koi khoj khabar

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

"But the first Tejas Mark-1A will probably come towards end-2024. First, every small equipment change requires extensive flight testing and certification. Moreover, HAL has to majorly upgrade its annual production capability. Tejas Mark-2, of course, is still in the design and development phase," another source said.

Another random source which can never be trusted LoL.
On top of that, they are using the word "probably".
Reeks of an hitjob

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Hmmm, this DRDO video states that Akash NG, has a range of >80km.
Courtesy- @porky_kicker .

 

[jai jaganath]

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Hmmm, this DRDO video states that Akash NG, has a range of 80km.
Courtesy- @porky_kicker .

@Lonewarrior

 

[blackleaf]

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Hmmm, this DRDO video states that Akash NG, has a range of >80km.
Courtesy- @porky_kicker .

With Russia sanctioned and western ADS capacity either too expensive or stuck in Ukraine, this could be a golden export opportunity for ADS systems to middle east, east Asian and African nations.

I always assumed it would have a dual pulse motor similar to the one developed for the MRSAM and thus a similar range. Never understood why the range shown on posters was so much lower.

 

[Lonewarrior]

@Lonewarrior

Yup, it was always bound to be a dual pulse motor. This is the only reason they ditched ramjet in this variant.
I just used "etc" in place of Akash-NG

The whole dual pulse motor or to be more specific the PSD in that motor is our invention, we hold the IPR. That's why you'll see a flurry of "dual pulse" happening after Barak-8 ER; Astra Mk-2 getting a dual pulse in upgrade, NGARM has a dual pulse, etc

We have mastered this dual pulse motor technology, it'll keep sowing in more and more designs

 

[Lonewolf]

Yup, it was always bound to be a dual pulse motor. This is the only reason they ditched ramjet in this variant.
I just used "etc" in place of Akash-NG

We have mastered this dual pulse motor technology, it'll keep sowing in more and more designs

Nope , upcoming are lfrj , sfdr, pulsejet, muti pulse etc

 

[Lonewarrior]

Earlier I used to think that Akash-NG and QRSAM are redundant. But as some members pointed out about its range, QRSAM and VLSRSAM became redundant. And now after this 80km range of Akash-NG, the MRSAMs became redundant.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Nope , upcoming are lfrj , sfdr, pulsejet, muti pulse etc

LFRJ is not going anywhere; too much problem with the LF part of that LFRJ. This is the sole reason countries moved to SFDR. LFRJ is only viable in target drones that gets refuelled just before the mission and long range cruise missile that sit well protected in their canisters.

SFDR is expensive; the cost of making a gas generating propellant, a dual use nozzle are still too high.

Pulsejet are obsolete World War technologies.

Multi-pulse is nothing but the same dual pulse motor with additional PSD.

 

[Lonewolf]

Earlier I used to think that Akash-NG and QRSAM are redundant. But as some members pointed out about its range, QRSAM and VLSRSAM became redundant. And now after this 80km range of Akash-NG, the MRSAMs became redundant.

Qrsam burns it's motor till end game , it's radar and command control is optimised to have higher sskp than range and operating quickly while on the move. Vlsrsam is being designed for vertical launch operation for large area defence ,plus range of vlsrsam is more than qrsam even though it's lighter owing to the fact that it don't have to be extremely maneuverable for the role of general purpose ad missile

 

[flanker99]