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Anandhu Krishna

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UN Generals can't buy imported mall due to to Pandemic and Ukraine -Russia war.!!!

In short, UN Generals can't even beg door to door for our own security during emergency. Imagine how dependent we have become?

Still UN Generals cry for shiny toys day in and day out like cry baby.

Sometimes, I even wonder whether our UN Generals possess pair of eyes or not?. Forget about being visionary, strategic thinker, military planner these qualities are simply impossible for them.

I think blindness is prime requirement to be a UN General.

Let's be honest. If a war breaks out we will still be using human wave tactics. Was the same in Kargil.
 

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Let's be honest. If a war breaks out we will still be using human wave tactics. Was the same in Kargil.
Gotta question where you are probably wrong on this?
But was it really human waves though, artillery was used aptly, even IAF did with what it has at time, basic infantry tactics of fire and maneuver were used.

So you gotta clear yourself bro what could have been done differently given that none army other than USA had high tech sh*t like predator drones and desert load of LGBs, not even China or Russia.

I doubt anything much could have been done there but now time is different and much can be done today, so is todays IA capable of using that advantage is the real question?
 

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Gotta question where you are probably wrong on this?
But was it really human waves though, artillery was used aptly, even IAF did with what it has at time, basic infantry tactics of fire and maneuver were used.

So you gotta clear yourself bro what could have been done differently given that none army other than USA had high tech sh*t like predator drones and desert load of LGBs, not even China or Russia.

I doubt anything much could have been done there but now time is different and much can be done today, so is todays IA capable of using that advantage is the real question?
IAF didn't even know there were incursions at the beginning. even after understanding the situation army was hesitant to use airpower that much.

I doubt anything much could have been done there
Much could have been done like letting the AF take the lead once they realized the situation.

is todays IA capable of using that advantage is the real question?
Definitely the real question. Don't even have good expeditionary capability or well established offensive capability even after 75yrs of independence. IA logistics is incapable of supporting its combat arms after a short distance from the border.
 

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Gotta question where you are probably wrong on this?
But was it really human waves though, artillery was used aptly, even IAF did with what it has at time, basic infantry tactics of fire and maneuver were used.

So you gotta clear yourself bro what could have been done differently given that none army other than USA had high tech sh*t like predator drones and desert load of LGBs, not even China or Russia.

I doubt anything much could have been done there but now time is different and much can be done today, so is todays IA capable of using that advantage is the real question?
I have question if such situation occurs today then what will be our reaction type
I believe it won't be much different from what we did in 1999
 

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IAF didn't even know there were incursions at the beginning. even after understanding the situation army was hesitant to use airpower that much.



Much could have been done like letting the AF take the lead once they realized the situation.



Definitely the real question. Don't even have good expeditionary capability or well established offensive capability even after 75yrs of independence. IA logistics is incapable of supporting its combat arms after a short distance from the border.
Lol, even the current IAF is not aptly prepared for ground support just like the current RuAF. We have very little amount of standoff weapons for ground support, in our case just the few LGBs imported ones.

Even if you see the nomenclature and case use of new standoff weapons being developed such as rudram, LRGB, and saaw. All are for use against airfield targets and radars.

IAF is still in its mindset of its role as just to protect skies and well nothing of a thought is given to expand its role as ground support enhancement force. This is one place where we could have tried to copy from West.
Anyway do we even have JTACS integrated within our army on a uniform basis like USA, obviously not talking about Garuda and few Paras trained in it.
 

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Lol, even the current IAF is not aptly prepared for ground support just like the current RuAF. We have very little amount of standoff weapons for ground support, in our case just the few LGBs imported ones.

Even if you see the nomenclature and case use of new standoff weapons being developed such as rudram, LRGB, and saaw. All are for use against airfield targets and radars.

IAF is still in its mindset of its role as just to protect skies and well nothing of a thought is given to expand its role as ground support enhancement force. This is one place where we could have tried to copy from West.
Anyway do we even have JTACS integrated within our army on a uniform basis like USA, obviously not talking about Garuda and few Paras trained in it.
for IAF to adopt U.S like CAS doctrine, India will need it's own engine and aircraft. in U,S doctrine of CAS, limited number of birds stay up in the air at any point during the day and night irrespective of whether there is mission planned or not, at the time of take off. if and when ground support is needed, they get mission co-ordinates and objectives while in air. this is why during afghan war, ground troops could call up CAS to take out even a diskha in minutes sometimes, but not all CAS requests are approved all the time by mission command.

a version of JTACS is available with IAF in 1971 war itself, IAF officers were on ground in dacca co-ordinating strikes in the last days of fall of dhaka. just a wireless set, not much. donno if it was a relay or direct comm. with mig-21s. remember seeing it in one of those 1971 documentaries.
 

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for IAF to adopt U.S like CAS doctrine, India will need it's own engine and aircraft. in U,S doctrine of CAS, limited number of birds stay up in the air at any point during the day and night irrespective of whether there is mission planned or not, at the time of take off. if and when ground support is needed, they get mission co-ordinates and objectives while in air. this is why during afghan war, ground troops could call up CAS to take out even a diskha in minutes sometimes, but not all CAS requests are approved all the time by mission command.

a version of JTACS is available with IAF in 1971 war itself, IAF officers were on ground in dacca co-ordinating strikes in the last days of fall of dhaka. just a wireless set, not much. donno if it was a relay or direct comm. with mig-21s. remember seeing it in one of those 1971 documentaries.
Relay. Even today (thanks to the IA's apathetic Signals equipment) IAF and IA do not talk to each other. While IN and IAF can.

Some mechanized divisions however have adopted SDRs and can talk directly to Apaches, Rudras and LCH that are in the area.

We do not have the will (or the brains in case of the IA) to pull off true jointness.
 

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