DRDO, PSU and Private Defence Sector News

[Hari Sud]

It should remain as a government department
And you won't keep IAS out of it , it's like saying a man to restrain himself from wearing a sweater in cold.
Thing is , drdo is a research agency , what is needed is a permanent body of coordination between each wing of armed forces with drdo for the type of products they wish .
These committees can be headed by a joint secretary from the defence ministry and a secretary from the defence acquisition council and a principal secretary from the finance ministry to ensure that armed forces frame a rational demand with no over exceeding cost . And to ensure the overall government oversight over such projects .
Cvc and enforcement directorate can depute their own personal in the higher executive committee of JS of MOD, PS of MOF and a official of suitable rank from DAC.

Drdo needs a unified organization as it is now. ,adopting OFB like approach will not make anything better , if not worse .

‘Bad arguments for the new world. The old order has to change. It did change for the Ordnance Factory Board and it should be done for DRDO.

 

[Gyyan]

It should remain as a government department
And you won't keep IAS out of it , it's like saying a man to restrain himself from wearing a sweater in cold.
Thing is , drdo is a research agency , what is needed is a permanent body of coordination between each wing of armed forces with drdo for the type of products they wish .
These committees can be headed by a joint secretary from the defence ministry and a secretary from the defence acquisition council and a principal secretary from the finance ministry to ensure that armed forces frame a rational demand with no over exceeding cost . And to ensure the overall government oversight over such projects .
Cvc and enforcement directorate can depute their own personal in the higher executive committee of JS of MOD, PS of MOF and a official of suitable rank from DAC.

Drdo needs a unified organization as it is now. ,adopting OFB like approach will not make anything better , if not worse .

They need a marketing department too.

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

They need a marketing department too.

It's an R&D lab. It's not their job to sell stuff.

 

[Samasa]

If we use sosus or sonabuoys will the missile be able to change it's trajectory as it will take some time to cover 500km and sub is also moving at 37kmph

Video Explains your query . Check the 1st comment for some correction .

 

[porky_kicker]

K4 finally we get to see how it looks like

 

[thebakofbakchod]

K4 finally we get to see how it looks like


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When will the k5 be tested? The range of K4 isnt sufficient enough.

 

[charlie]

I was arguing with an idiot on YouTube who wants to privatize DRDO and HAL

One day Hal will be sold to private or will end up as hindustan motors, HAL and drdo are big reason that the funding for research never ends up in private sector. Remember the issues with FICV ? PSU was not willing to let go the tender to private industry and I don’t blame them. it’s a natural survival instinct.

A lot of politics happen that we don’t know, there is a reason why private sector was not allowed to participate in defence.

still there is a lot of politics when which msme drdo supports and which it doesn’t.

and I don’t have any experience in Indian defence Sector and this is my assumption

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

When will the k5 be tested? The range of K4 isnt sufficient enough.

If i am not wrong we never tested k4 from a sub

 

[Vamsi]

If i am not wrong we never tested k4 from a sub

K4 was tested from INS Arihant in 2016 itself

 

[Love Charger]

They need a marketing department too.

What for?
Okay answer me a question, who comes to sell weapons from Russia.
Nizhny Tagil tank tank factory or rosbornexport ?
Or darpa comes to sell stuff here or Boeing and Raytheon come here ?

 

[Gyyan]

What for?
Okay answer me a question, who comes to sell weapons from Russia.
Nizhny Tagil tank tank factory or rosbornexport ?
Or darpa comes to sell stuff here or Boeing and Raytheon come here ?

But everyone around the world doesn't goes on saying Boeing's weapons are of poor quality nor do they have no exports.
Now onto the part why....malaysia deal would be a great example afaik the malaysian govt was in some internal problems and I saw a lot of comments on how South Korean weapons are superior compared to indian and that's why their govt was going for it.
The govt was in a pinch that time and public opinion mattered a lot so that's why i said so.
And yes I know a lot of other things contributed too.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

One day Hal will be sold to private or will end up as hindustan motors, HAL and drdo are big reason that the funding for research never ends up in private sector. Remember the issues with FICV ? PSU was not willing to let go the tender to private industry and I don’t blame them. it’s a natural survival instinct.

A lot of politics happen that we don’t know, there is a reason why private sector was not allowed to participate in defence.

still there is a lot of politics when which msme drdo supports and which it doesn’t.

and I don’t have any experience in Indian defence Sector and this is my assumption

After looking at the amount of re-badged weaponry on display at DefExpo 2022 by the private sector, there is zero doubt as to why these people don't get funding.
Even for something as big as Indian Navy 111 NUH program, the pvt sector was more interested in tying up with foreign vendors rather than develop something of their own.

 

[flanker99]

After looking at the amount of re-badged weaponry on display at DefExpo 2022 by the private sector, there is zero doubt as to why these people don't get funding.
Even for something as big as Indian Navy 111 NUH program, the pvt sector was more interested in tying up with foreign vendors rather than develop something of their own.

for a helo that makes sense as development is a very costly and technologically complex endeavor that requirs decades of experience and military wont be funding it either also no commitments for orders but pvt sectors selling rebranded choina maal as indigenous should be shunned by military

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

for a helo that makes sense as development is a very costly and technologically complex endeavor that requirs decades of experience and military wont be funding it either also no commitments for orders but pvt sectors selling rebranded choina maal as indigenous should be shunned by military

Agreed on the helo part, but the private sector explicitly wanted HAL out of the competition as they very well knew what they were offering along with their foreign vendor is clearly inferior to the Dhruv.
And in the end, as everyone knows, NUH competition was scrapped to make way for Naval Dhruv and Naval LUH

 

[Love Charger]

‘Bad arguments for the new world. The old order has to change. It did change for the Ordnance Factory Board and it should be done for DRDO.

Don't fix what ain't broken sir
and just because years are passing by , we definitely need to change a system is not a very good argument in my opinion

 

[johnj]

What for?
Okay answer me a question, who comes to sell weapons from Russia.
Nizhny Tagil tank tank factory or rosbornexport ?
Or darpa comes to sell stuff here or Boeing and Raytheon come here ?

Bad comparison & GoI need a marketing department not drdo.
GoI splitted r&d, manufacturing into two departments unlike darpa, boeing & Raytheon.
Darpa mainly focus on future tech & td and boeing & Raytheon focus on r&d and manufacturing of defence products, and each organisation gives importance to their products, means boeing & raytheon far more successful selling their products than darpa. No wounder why armed forces giving less importance to drdo products.

 

[johnj]

After looking at the amount of re-badged weaponry on display at DefExpo 2022 by the private sector, there is zero doubt as to why these people don't get funding.
Even for something as big as Indian Navy 111 NUH program, the pvt sector was more interested in tying up with foreign vendors rather than develop something of their own.

Private Industries happy to invest in R&D if goi agree to spend 15 billion $ to buy their product[nuh], no one is going to spend billions in r&d if the order is small.

 

[johnj]

Agreed on the helo part, but the private sector explicitly wanted HAL out of the competition as they very well knew what they were offering along with their foreign vendor is clearly inferior to the Dhruv.
And in the end, as everyone knows, NUH competition was scrapped to make way for Naval Dhruv and Naval LUH

Because HAL already having billion $ worth of manufacturing capability and experience, Private industry don't come any close to hal, its the dumb gov ias officers making dumb decisions, insisted of giving 1B $ to hal to develop nuh, they considered a competition. HAL is fully capable of developing light & medium category helios.

 

[Samasa]

One day Hal will be sold to private or will end up as hindustan motors, HAL and drdo are big reason that the funding for research never ends up in private sector. Remember the issues with FICV ? PSU was not willing to let go the tender to private industry and I don’t blame them. it’s a natural survival instinct.

A lot of politics happen that we don’t know, there is a reason why private sector was not allowed to participate in defence.

still there is a lot of politics when which msme drdo supports and which it doesn’t.

and I don’t have any experience in Indian defence Sector and this is my assumption

One deal involving private sector aerospace was heavily opposed as well , even from people of unrelated ministry , for involving private industry . Source is from a video shared in BRF forum few months back where col Ajaya shukla was a member . I dont remember name of the person who was speaking .

 

[porky_kicker]

India's first military grade scramjet engine based hypersonic cruise missile, based on HSTDV technology demonstrator