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[another_armchair]

Why The Indian Army's Artillery Modernisation Plan Has Hit A Road Block

India's effort to push indigenisation in defence has been fairly successful when it comes to artillery guns. But, of late, India's artillery modernisation programme hasn't been making much progress. It appears to have hit a roadblock.

swarajyamag.com

The above message keeps getting reproduced every year.

The Chinese bearings were discovered during the early prototypes that went to trials and resulted in multiple accidents while others argued it was poor OFB ammo which resulted in the muzzle breech accident.

Accident That Killed Two Soldiers Throws Shadow Over “Sub-standard” South Korean Guns Ordered by India | NewsClick

The South Korean Army has decided to halt exercising with the K-9 howitzers which India has ordered, after an explosion of the howitzer killed two soldiers.

www.newsclick.in

^This is fine.. chalta hai..

West Bengal youth dies in artillery barrel explosion in Jammu | Kolkata News - Times of India

The Army and the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) may continue to spar on the issue of alleged faulty ammunition or barrels of artillery guns but the comm

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

^Even this should be OK... chalta hai.

 

[kharabela]

The above message keeps getting reproduced every year.

The Chinese bearings were discovered during the early prototypes that went to trials and resulted in multiple accidents while others argued it was poor OFB ammo which resulted in the muzzle breech accident.

Accident That Killed Two Soldiers Throws Shadow Over “Sub-standard” South Korean Guns Ordered by India | NewsClick

The South Korean Army has decided to halt exercising with the K-9 howitzers which India has ordered, after an explosion of the howitzer killed two soldiers.

www.newsclick.in

^This is fine.. chalta hai..

West Bengal youth dies in artillery barrel explosion in Jammu | Kolkata News - Times of India

The Army and the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) may continue to spar on the issue of alleged faulty ammunition or barrels of artillery guns but the comm

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

^Even this should be OK... chalta hai.

The production quality claim and again going through firing test is from print article as shared in previous comment . That caused the delay .

 

[Srinie]

And where is our Rfaj Kapoor "Baba Kalyani" who famously said that they could bring down the weight of ATAGS to 16 ton?

Moreover, its a RFI or IA is just asking for Information on any current system available. Based on its response, RFP would be released in February 2023. So this weight part has been accompanied with 'PREFERABLY'.

Yes let's publically flog Baba Kalyani for dreaming and daring to be artillery manufacturer.

 

[another_armchair]

The production quality claim and again going through firing test is from print article as shared in previous comment . That caused the delay .

Doesn't matter who reports it.

The muzzle breech accident happened in 2017 but it keeps getting mentioned even in reports appearing in 2022.

Its like those INSAS stories about magazine cracks in snow bound areas. Problem was rectified but it gets mentioned in almost every article critical of the INSAS. Agreed the rifle is past its sell by date but still...

I mean we are moving into 2022, IA has inducted one regiment of Dhanush, more are in the pipeline but the same 2017 story gets told and retold while others get a free pass.

Its like an attempt to plant an idea in the readers mind that the indigenous gun is full of flaws while the imported system is the only answer to India's defence preparedness.

Pretty vacuous argument by Chandigarh lobby.

 

[THESIS THORON]

lol, now twitteraties are bashing IA left right and center for the RFI

 

[kharabela]

Doesn't matter who reports it.

The muzzle breech accident happened in 2017 but it keeps getting mentioned even in reports appearing in 2022.

Its like those INSAS stories about magazine cracks in snow bound areas. Problem was rectified but it gets mentioned in almost every article critical of the INSAS. Agreed the rifle is past its sell by date but still...

I mean we are moving into 2022, IA has inducted one regiment of Dhanush, more are in the pipeline but the same 2017 story gets told and retold while others get a free pass.

Its like an attempt to plant an idea in the readers mind that the indigenous gun is full of flaws while the imported system is the only answer to India's defence preparedness.

Pretty vacuous argument by Chandigarh lobby.

That CBI issue of chinese parts different . I was mentioning about production delay . In 4 years only 12 guns were delivered . If you are happy with this time line than fine . There were issues with regard to the hydraulics, sight and even mounting . Not talking about quality of gun . Its good if they corrected it . But present order must be completed fast before talking about other system .

 

[Jimih]

lol, now twitteraties are bashing IA left right and center for the RFI

It was expected.

 

[jai jaganath]

lol, now twitteraties are bashing IA left right and center for the RFI

What's the nos of guns mentioned in rfi

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

What's the weight of 52 calibre Dhanush?

Less than 14 Tons

 

[flanker99]

American MQ9B Combat Drones Set To Be Assembled In India

Tri-service procurement of world’s most advanced drones leveraged for transfer of niche technologies to DRDO, Chief of Naval Staff Admiral R Hari Kumar tells Vishal Thapar in an exclusive interview, , India-US Military Cooperation, MQ9B Sea Guardian, Sky Guardian, indian navy, Admiral R Hari...

www.businessworld.in

Seems like MQ-9 order is finalized, and we apparently negotiated a ToT aswell. 60% order will be locally assembled in India while the rest will be in fly-away condition delivered.

I dont see the point of local production for around a dozen drones ..god knows what the govt is thinking

 

[mist_consecutive]

I dont see the point of local production for around a dozen drones ..god knows what the govt is thinking

Probably follow-on orders and making India global manufacturing and MRO hub for the MQ-series of drones ?

 

[jai jaganath]

Nah, that was just a talk in air that by using titanium at various places in ATAGS weight can be reduced but that would drive up the cost.

The funny thing is ATAGS cleared all trials with its original weight with little to no problems including mobility trials and yet IA floats a RFI for artillery gun with less weight for mobility purpose.

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Anyway I am very very happy
Atleast the requirement is moving on
Atags was gale me hadi(bone in throat) for our FRP as IA generals can't procure it as their masters would be upset import lobby would be upset and other problems
But after all who was suffering? It was FRP
Now FRP is damn important if it has to be achieved by death of atags then let it be
Bcoz FRP is more important
Now as they have convinced govt and other authorities it's nice that FRP is moving ahead
Congratulations Athos our new member in family
If atags wouldn't have died then FRP had to die as we know army can't procure it
So let it be
Nothing offensive guys but atags has my salute and 21 topon ki salami
I don't know what other people would do but we being dfians should never ever forget atags' sacrifice for betterment of our artillery program

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Anyway I am very very happy
Atleast the requirement is moving on
Atags was gale me hadi(bone in throat) for our FRP as IA generals can't procure it as their masters would be upset import lobby would be upset and other problems
But after all who was suffering? It was FRP
Now FRP is damn important if it has to be achieved by death of atags then let it be
Bcoz FRP is more important
Now as they have convinced govt and other authorities it's nice that FRP is moving ahead
Congratulations Athos our new member in family
If atags wouldn't have died then FRP had to die as we know army can't procure it
So let it be
Nothing offensive guys but atags has my salute and 21 topon ki salami
I don't know what other people would do but we being dfians should never ever forget atags' sacrifice for betterment of our artillery program

Imports are barred Lol

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

Imports are barred Lol

Screwdriver products are included

 

[flanker99]

Probably follow-on orders and making India global manufacturing and MRO hub for the MQ-series of drones ?

I still don't see why we would be running after an mro hub for mq series...this drones purchase makes sense as a stopgap measure till our domestic industry can churn out something equivalent but at around 100mln a piece imo it doesn't make sense for us to get them in large numbers looking at how vulnerable they are in contested airspace...instead we should be looking at integrating American sensors in local drones

 

[Eagle Eye]

Imports are barred Lol

LOOPHOLE - MAKE 2 procedure,can tie up with Indian co,give some TOT,enter the game.
Need not give any meanful tech, IPR will not be shared. Voila "make in India".

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

LOOPHOLE - MAKE 2 procedure,can tie up with Indian co,give some TOT,enter the game.
Need not give any meanful tech, IPR will not be shared. Voila "make in India".

Just a copium, but is there any chance 2 types of gun will be procured forst one being atatgs and other one with less than 15 ton weight.

 

[mist_consecutive]

I still don't see why we would be running after an mro hub for mq series...this drones purchase makes sense as a stopgap measure till our domestic industry can churn out something equivalent but at around 100mln a piece imo it doesn't make sense for us to get them in large numbers looking at how vulnerable they are in contested airspace...instead we should be looking at integrating American sensors in local drones

My understanding is, we (DRDO) are at least 10 years away from developing something of similar endurance and sensor suite to that of MQ-9/RQ-4.
DRDO's struggle with underpowered Tapas has not escaped the attention of govt/armed forces. Even if we start ordering Tapas, it would be in a similar category to Baykar TB2 and Adani's Hermes 900.

Even if we somehow strap a more powerful engine to Rustom, we lack in sensor suite and over-the-horizon satellite communication. I think DRDO is eying these ToTs from General Atomics to use in our own domestic UAV program as well.

Also, 100mln a piece is justified given their capabilities and endurance. In the long run, they will be cheaper than other drones.

 

[Eagle Eye]

but is there any chance 2 types of gun will be procured forst one being atatgs and other one with less than 15 ton weight.

there will be pressure frm DRDO Iike arjun 124+118.

 

[jai jaganath]

Imports are barred Lol

LOOPHOLE - MAKE 2 procedure,can tie up with Indian co,give some TOT,enter the game.
Need not give any meanful tech, IPR will not be shared. Voila "make in India".

Screwdriver products are included

Anyway kalyani is most benefited party here
As Athos will be manufactured by kalyani as it already established jv with elbit
So we must welcome the move nothing else can be said